everyone, please stop...
I do not want this
I am asking nicely, please drop this
Joe's bit doesn't make sense from a town mindset.
It makes sense from a scum mindset that got overtly excited about having something to push and didn't think it through before posting.
I'll let it be for now, but seriously dude.
He actually is very much like that as either alignment, the dude sees tibfoil slips in things more than anyone else, save maybe rod
@Sloth
I don't necessarily believe that trust me, I remember a fair bit of Joe from our "previous" experience together
if he is a wolf, its not like ignoring "these" posts, means we can't ever find him again
I need more from Terry before I start hard tunneling him like the good ole days
I actually am gonna say
1: I don’t think what terry saw is an indication of scum last
2: his jump on it is totally fine and legit; catching onto someone for signaling they have communication with someone else is 100% game related and an acceptable attack.
Eh wasn't calling its legitimacy into question. I'm calling it's authenticity into question. Very different.
Sloth....what are you feeling with Tom? Is this just early Day messing around going on for too long or bastard post restriction elements?
***** you'll be what I want you to be and you'll like it.
I'm purposefully ignoring tom for now.
I'd be really surprised (and annoyed at Osie) if what he's doing is at all related to a form of restriction though.
I actually am gonna say
1: I don’t think what terry saw is an indication of scum last
2: his jump on it is totally fine and legit; catching onto someone for signaling they have communication with someone else is 100% game related and an acceptable attack.
Eh wasn't calling its legitimacy into question. I'm calling it's authenticity into question. Very different.
You’re good, that was more directed at last for implying that terry was edging/crossing a line; he wasn’t.
Sloth....what are you feeling with Tom? Is this just early Day messing around going on for too long or bastard post restriction elements?
***** you'll be what I want you to be and you'll like it.
I'm purposefully ignoring tom for now.
I'd be really surprised (and annoyed at Osie) if what he's doing is at all related to a form of restriction though.
I mean if it is? I'm kinda impressed at Tom's ability to communicate regardless.
@Sloth
I don't necessarily believe that trust me, I remember a fair bit of Joe from our "previous" experience together
if he is a wolf, its not like ignoring "these" posts, means we can't ever find him again
I need more from Terry before I start hard tunneling him like the good ole days
Fair.
Wanna be townpals?
I don't have a knife hidden behind my back if you're wondering.
Oh come on, brogoon.
You know that only makes sense if there was a legitimate risk he was about to get lynched, and that's certainly not less than 12 hours into a 12-day phase, in your opening post, with no votes currently to your name.
Plus Wisp is known for his early game gambits.
Are you done?
NEVER!
But if you have things to distract me with, I'm around.
Hey, Rodemy might be scum this game.
******* how?
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Lagoon volume clears himself if he is town
Rodemy's entrance was probably the wolfiest so far
Slothful is talking too much, I hate it
I won't talk about my first post anymore, I think claiming that info was the correct play
*******. HOW.
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I think gooLagoon's claim is more town-indicative than LW's. It feels more like the kind of think a Town would spew into the thread early. LW might as well, but he is also very capable of just claiming random stuff to mess with people.
How do you feel about the way he went about claiming it, rather than the content of the claim?
The claim itself is pretty irrelevant to me, tbh.
I have no feeling about the "way" as such. It seems very LW to me for him to throw stuff out into the thread early like that, but he will do it as both alignments. The no alignment reveal thing is more interesting to me.
There's also him saying "I'm Town" as though his saying that should somehow reassure us in the event he dies and we get no reveal. How exactly?
here is the problem
you are looking at things mechanically, in a game that is probably threading the line of being entirely bastard
I claimed because my alignment isn't revealed, its something you should know, it makes me look good as either alignment either way
back to doing nothing
o/
No, I’m looking at this in a “if someone’s alignment isn’t going to flip, I don’t want that role in the game” way.
Axel, your role, your alignment, or both?
You will get my name. That's it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Something I want to ask and get out of the way as soon as possible so we don't drown in this topic later: should people with antitown roles/abilities come forward and clarify, whether it's through hints or outright, or should we all just keep quiet and work it out later? I'm considering making a partial claim.
I don’t see a reason for scum to ask this. But I disagree on the anti town abilities claiming. It just adds more chaos. I don’t think abilities are equal to alignment in this game and I think we should not try and take that route.
This is more about general +EVness rather than alignment.
okay why would that matter? If a town has something bad for town, he would... not use it. Right? So what’s the point in knowing? I feel some sort of fishing going on here.
Goo’s claim is something I wanna come back to like d2 or 3 if something does happen to him.
(Edit: someone already kinda mentioned the being targeted to help them thing, seeing as later shadow posts he wants to be dark marked, I thought it would be something like that)
I like Lagoon, don’t like last, but adjusting for how I never like last hes probably neutral right now.
Would still lynch anyone who’s alignment won’t show up.
@Axelrod: wanna trade roles
If anyone can grand the dark mark, I would be very grateful
I just thought it was bad. Role stuff. Not saying anymore.
Given we are specifically told that the Dark Mark is an "Upgrade" mechanic.
I mean, I can imagine it's possible for there to be a specific role/roles for whom it would not be an Upgrade, but those ought to be the exception, and if Rod were paying attention, it also seems like he ought to know that?
I’m willing to bet that there are some graverobber roles out there to counter the flipless players. Perhaps activated by the Dark Mark.
I don’t actually know my Dark Mark ability, so I’m not that keen on begging for an activation.
I don't know what it does for me either. It's just implied it will be beneficial. I am somewhat curious how many people know upfront what it does for them, but this may not be the time for that discussion.
I have generally good feelings about ZDS's opening post.
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I was not differentiating between "role" and "alignment." I was just noting what seemed like a similarity. I am now curious if LW's "role" gets revealed when he dies though his "alignment" does not.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Alright, I'm here. 6 pages in a night is insane. Time to catch up
@goo: With relevence to claiming antitown roles, NORMALLY we would. I would say something along the lines of "if you know it would actively give false info" I would consider it. I was told when I was Ascetic I should have claimed early, but there are advantages to not claiming that early (forcing scum to lose their shot, which is why I didn't claim early), though it could be said there are more town roles that could lose it's shot that than scum. That would be the arguement for claiming early.
I personally would say only claim if the former is true so as not to create a precedent for massive amounts of claiming.
That said, the way goo is handling this makes me want to give him a townlean. What he's claiming is specific enough to make it a decent size gamble for wolves to do.
Also @Goo: How much mafia experience do you have?
Also like the inquisative nature of 43
@Ter: Where is tentative town sloth? What do you look for in town sloth?
Last is probably telling the truth vis a vis his role. Tells us nothing about his alignment.
@fonti: That site, is it Wish? Yeah idk waht's up there. They keep trying to sell me dildos and lingerie. I very specifically don't use either of those things.
@Ampharos: When you said 'proofreading is wolfy, how scummy were you saying Ter was for proofreading? Or was that just like an offhand meta joke about mafia?
Axelrod: What about Rod's confusion regarding the Dark Mark is AI, and in which direction? I read it as him not reading the OP.
Right now I'm ok with Lagoon, Sloth, ter as town leans. Wisp and kpaca are there too, but less.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Ter: Where is tentative town sloth? What do you look for in town sloth?
The tone and approach just reminds me of his town play....poking and prodding to find weaknesses in people's play but not ripping into it. Playing things close to the chest and not needlessly tunneling away. I will admit a big part of it is a gut read.
so are you not quoting the post thats from just so you can take it out of context or is there another reason?
because I’m on my phone and y’all are flooding the thread with posts.
Okay fair enough. Point remains though that you are taking that quote out of context and twisting it away from what was actually happening which is in and of itself not very towny.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Ampharos: When you said 'proofreading is wolfy, how scummy were you saying Ter was for proofreading? Or was that just like an offhand meta joke about mafia
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Killjoy
here is a question, where did that Kpaca town lean come from? or w/e u want to call "they are there too"
you didn't mention him at all in that post
**** there goes my chance to pull the dark mark haha. I was 100% lying trying to pull it. I didn’t even realize it said in the set up )I didn’t even ****in read the thing, just that I wanted in)
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I don't necessarily believe that trust me, I remember a fair bit of Joe from our "previous" experience together
if he is a wolf, its not like ignoring "these" posts, means we can't ever find him again
I need more from Terry before I start hard tunneling him like the good ole days
Eh wasn't calling its legitimacy into question. I'm calling it's authenticity into question. Very different.
I'm purposefully ignoring tom for now.
I'd be really surprised (and annoyed at Osie) if what he's doing is at all related to a form of restriction though.
...So my translation here would be you see one claim as derp moment the other is a calculated move on Axels part.
I mean if it is? I'm kinda impressed at Tom's ability to communicate regardless.
Wanna be townpals?
I don't have a knife hidden behind my back if you're wondering.
I'mma step back from the thread for a bit lol
Already claimed information about his role, and I can buy that as a slip.
“Please I’m asking don’t do this” is a really weak response imo. I say we do it. I at least want to see where it goes.
please.
******* how?
This is a very town post.
*******. HOW.
you know I’m at work, right?
so are you not quoting the post thats from just so you can take it out of context or is there another reason?
Not entirely sure what’s going on here, but town points for last for wanting it to stop.
There's also him saying "I'm Town" as though his saying that should somehow reassure us in the event he dies and we get no reveal. How exactly?
You will get my name. That's it.
I don’t see a reason for scum to ask this. But I disagree on the anti town abilities claiming. It just adds more chaos. I don’t think abilities are equal to alignment in this game and I think we should not try and take that route.
okay why would that matter? If a town has something bad for town, he would... not use it. Right? So what’s the point in knowing? I feel some sort of fishing going on here.
Goo’s claim is something I wanna come back to like d2 or 3 if something does happen to him.
(Edit: someone already kinda mentioned the being targeted to help them thing, seeing as later shadow posts he wants to be dark marked, I thought it would be something like that)
How do you not gather that from the original post sloth? Is this you trying to seem town?
Alright break time
I mean, I can imagine it's possible for there to be a specific role/roles for whom it would not be an Upgrade, but those ought to be the exception, and if Rod were paying attention, it also seems like he ought to know that?
I don't know what it does for me either. It's just implied it will be beneficial. I am somewhat curious how many people know upfront what it does for them, but this may not be the time for that discussion.
I have generally good feelings about ZDS's opening post.
Then why did you specify role when you first said it?
@goo: With relevence to claiming antitown roles, NORMALLY we would. I would say something along the lines of "if you know it would actively give false info" I would consider it. I was told when I was Ascetic I should have claimed early, but there are advantages to not claiming that early (forcing scum to lose their shot, which is why I didn't claim early), though it could be said there are more town roles that could lose it's shot that than scum. That would be the arguement for claiming early.
I personally would say only claim if the former is true so as not to create a precedent for massive amounts of claiming.
That said, the way goo is handling this makes me want to give him a townlean. What he's claiming is specific enough to make it a decent size gamble for wolves to do.
Also @Goo: How much mafia experience do you have?
Also like the inquisative nature of 43
@Ter: Where is tentative town sloth? What do you look for in town sloth?
Last is probably telling the truth vis a vis his role. Tells us nothing about his alignment.
@fonti: That site, is it Wish? Yeah idk waht's up there. They keep trying to sell me dildos and lingerie. I very specifically don't use either of those things.
@Ampharos: When you said 'proofreading is wolfy, how scummy were you saying Ter was for proofreading? Or was that just like an offhand meta joke about mafia?
Axelrod: What about Rod's confusion regarding the Dark Mark is AI, and in which direction? I read it as him not reading the OP.
Right now I'm ok with Lagoon, Sloth, ter as town leans. Wisp and kpaca are there too, but less.
The tone and approach just reminds me of his town play....poking and prodding to find weaknesses in people's play but not ripping into it. Playing things close to the chest and not needlessly tunneling away. I will admit a big part of it is a gut read.
Okay fair enough. Point remains though that you are taking that quote out of context and twisting it away from what was actually happening which is in and of itself not very towny.
will process all the wisp stuff when less asleep
here is a question, where did that Kpaca town lean come from? or w/e u want to call "they are there too"
you didn't mention him at all in that post
I also hard veto on Kpaca town leans at this time
I don't want to discourage him if he's town, because being nice and taking things slow are good and I'm glad he's listening.
But the flavor feels wrong.
A stupid plan but hey, it’s me. Gonna be on in a few minutes to do some analyzing
I'm too woozy for this *****.
okay what am I really doing?
it would be nice to have more than a few sentences from you tbh. I just iso'd you and it has been disappointing