I having a really hard time, uh, processing Zionite's posts. I'm thinking of tabling thinking about him until my medication stuff gets reduced tomorrow, because it feels like a me problem.
I think people had some issues with Shadow earlier, but I didn't really get them or understand where they were coming from. Does anyone still have issues with Shadow?
I like Ampharos' take on Jack, and I actually do kind of think his defeatist attitude is town for him, though I don't have scum meta to compare that to.
I am still happy with my Rodemy, Terry, Lagoon, Amy, Terraine town reads/coven.
The accountant in me really doesn't feel like it's super probable Fonti draws scum two games in a row with me
This is an inquisitive, almost playful Fulcrum, whereas last game my gut feeling from her was predatory. Unless they’ve drastically changed it up, they’re town. I don’t like how Goo pushed claims in so early as a matter of principle, but I don’t see much that makes me think it was scum motivated.
@Rod
Explain why you’re so wrong and your best case scenario for an outcome of your DarkMarky Mark Gambit.
I also think Tubba cleared me too easy. Easily. That one. Like, a tone shift for oog reasons should not be this clearing. Unless he didn't know that. Nah, point stands.
2. Ampharos - actively hunting. Good tone
3. fulcrum - different tone
4. Slothful - tone and approach
5. Killjoy - reading the game
7. Jackrito- asking questions and hunting.
8. Rodemy - feels like... Rod
11. Fuwa - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
12. PoisonChan - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
13. xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
14. TubbaFett - hasn’t done enough to form and opinion on
15. tomsloger - Tom being Tom
16. Lastwhisper - attitude
19. kpaca - not reading the game
17. gooLagoon - Wasn’t sure how i felt about coming out and claiming. Very WIFOMy which isn’t a tunnel I like to go down. Like I said I’m not a fan of the claim though when he acknowledges he has an antitownish role….but conflates role with Alignment in other posts. In anytime but especially a bastard one you need to keep these and two sep things in your brain.
18. Axelrod - I did not like the claim….seemed to be forced nonchalance. Toms gif set that I translated to “this was a calculate move” hits it on the head. Also don’t like that he changed the claim from one thing to another by saying no role reveal orig. and then later its no role OR alignment.
I think Axel is a useless 3p we will probably have to kill eventually. Not a bad kill if we like run up three important prs/mafia claiming pr. Also not a bad idea to run him up to force him into a claim and see if he can actually win with town. But, also an easy place for mafia to push, because they won't get blamed for pushing town there. And not useless for finding and killing the actual mafia.
this dude might actually have a post restriction...
lol
...
everyone is trying to figure out if this is true, and my comment is the one that makes you break it... k
I'll go sit in my corner alone
No one was trying to figure out if he really had a posting restriction. Mods don't give the same person a posting restriction every single game. Just assume he's always doing it for fun. Come on, man.
this dude might actually have a post restriction...
lol
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everyone is trying to figure out if this is true, and my comment is the one that makes you break it... k
I'll go sit in my corner alone
No one was trying to figure out if he really had a posting restriction. Mods don't give the same person a posting restriction every single game. Just assume he's always doing it for fun. Come on, man.
I think Axel is a useless 3p we will probably have to kill eventually. Not a bad kill if we like run up three important prs/mafia claiming pr. Also not a bad idea to run him up to force him into a claim and see if he can actually win with town. But, also an easy place for mafia to push, because they won't get blamed for pushing town there. And not useless for finding and killing the actual mafia.
I have spoken.
well *****, he ain't town in that world
I get where this read comes from, but I am not really interested in it
cause ***** is ***** regardless of what color you paint it
and 3p reads this early are a hard no from me
ill think about it once he claims
I don't understand why you are already creating this situation where this is an easy push for mafia
just feels like fear-mongering
I think Axel is a useless 3p we will probably have to kill eventually. Not a bad kill if we like run up three important prs/mafia claiming pr. Also not a bad idea to run him up to force him into a claim and see if he can actually win with town. But, also an easy place for mafia to push, because they won't get blamed for pushing town there. And not useless for finding and killing the actual mafia.
I have spoken.
well *****, he ain't town in that world
I get where this read comes from, but I am not really interested in it
cause ***** is ***** regardless of what color you paint it
and 3p reads this early are a hard no from me
ill think about it once he claims
I don't understand why you are already creating this situation where this is an easy push for mafia
just feels like fear-mongering
Humm, do you actually think it's fear mongering though. Maybe you used the wrong words to express the idea. Are you saying I'm trying to stop town from pushing Axel, via fear of me then accusing them of being mafia? Mmm, yes, I think this is what you are sayinh, and it is somewhat true because I do think Axel is a bad place to push and if were a serial killer or something he wouldn't have claimed the way he did.
You may continue to push for Axel's claim. I do not think it will lead anywhere.
well, currently I wanna focus on all the people that are posting very little and work my way up from there, before I start thinking about who is pushing things maliciously.
Fear-mongering probably was the wrong word because it probably means I am calling it wolfy, which I'm not really, I just think that thinking like that is unnecessary and probably the wrong way to look at things this early?
Axel: I'll finish engaging with you on one of my days off (Tuesday) so I can fully cover/reexamine this argument so I'm sure I'm not missing something here.
Jack: What meta reasons are you saying I'm lean town for, and why is it the case that in your next read post you 'need more content from me'? One has a read on me, one does not. Justify those for me, would you?
Wisp: I hadn't stated one yet. Gun to my head I'd place him a little above rnad town on the premise that the gambit was a bit weird for scum to do.
Nothing solid yet though.
This actually was the kind of thing he was town for in GAME I CAN'R REMEMBER
Kpaca: It's certainly possible that Wisp si scum, I'm just saying it's not for the reasons you want him to be. The things you're saying he's csum for are things I identify and NAI from Wisp.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
i also dislike how much of zionite's above post is one-sided interactions and rhetorical questions. there's a push on rod in there and like half a read of sloth but it's pretty busywork-ish beyond that
zion i'd love to hear your stance on some of the other players in this game. just like off-the-cuff thoughts
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Just FYI, I've decided not to mobile post from work during the day. It's too much of a chore, so I'll only be around evenings EST.
Axelrod is a bad day 1 lynch imo, since he's likely 3P and won't even fully flip. I'd be pretty underwhelmed if he went and tripped over his own words the way he did as a member of the mafia, this would be far from his first rodeo.
That's all I have to say re: the last few pages, aside from noting that Jack's super long post + "well that was longer than expected" was hilarious and towny.
Like I don't know if you're responding to me, but if you are, then that's the second time you've gone and made it out that I'm attacking you when I never have.
Jack, for the record, I know that jab was at me, and I have seen at least one scum game from you. But probably only one.
Wait which one. I don't think I have ever played scum with you apart from one whre I ever posted. I can only assume it was an alt game. That jab was aimed more at others.
Wait which one. I don't think I have ever played scum with you apart from one whre I ever posted. I can only assume it was an alt game. That jab was aimed more at others.
Actually, scratch that, I misremembered.
Thought it was a jab from when I was scum and claimed I could get a good early read on you.
Wait which one. I don't think I have ever played scum with you apart from one whre I ever posted. I can only assume it was an alt game. That jab was aimed more at others.
Actually, scratch that, I misremembered.
Thought it was a jab from when I was scum and claimed I could get a good early read on you.
Do you think the defeatist tone read on Jack could be an actual thing?
Hey fulcrum, since Lastwhisper went off to do something less interesting than talk to me, where do you think this quote comes from? I legitimately can't tell.
Hey fulcrum, since Lastwhisper went off to do something less interesting than talk to me, where do you think this quote comes from? I legitimately can't tell.
I don't think it came from anything specific. I do think Last bringing up that he shared his role stuff to look good /regardless of alignment/ is a good look for him:
here is the problem
you are looking at things mechanically, in a game that is probably threading the line of being entirely bastard
I claimed because my alignment isn't revealed, its something you should know, it makes me look good as either alignment either way
back to doing nothing
There is no problem, I wanted to see if he was being weird or if I was coming off as more aggressive than I can tell. I wouldn't have cared if this were his first outburst, but it isn't.
Don't know for sure since he left before he answered my question.
There is no problem, I wanted to see if he was being weird or if I was coming off as more aggressive than I can tell. I wouldn't have cared if this were his first outburst, but it isn't.
Don't know for sure since he left before he answered my question.
Also, specifically this tone from Jackrito is what I'm talking about. He just seems so done with our *****. World weary. Wolfy look on some people, but I think towny on him.
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I think people had some issues with Shadow earlier, but I didn't really get them or understand where they were coming from. Does anyone still have issues with Shadow?
I like Ampharos' take on Jack, and I actually do kind of think his defeatist attitude is town for him, though I don't have scum meta to compare that to.
I am still happy with my Rodemy, Terry, Lagoon, Amy, Terraine town reads/coven.
I also think Tubba cleared me too easy. Easily. That one. Like, a tone shift for oog reasons should not be this clearing. Unless he didn't know that. Nah, point stands.
Vote sloth
Vote terraine
vote: Axel
vote axel
Youre like ******* cartman
everyone is trying to figure out if this is true, and my comment is the one that makes you break it... k
I'll go sit in my corner alone
I have spoken.
No one was trying to figure out if he really had a posting restriction. Mods don't give the same person a posting restriction every single game. Just assume he's always doing it for fun. Come on, man.
I get where this read comes from, but I am not really interested in it
cause ***** is ***** regardless of what color you paint it
and 3p reads this early are a hard no from me
ill think about it once he claims
I don't understand why you are already creating this situation where this is an easy push for mafia
just feels like fear-mongering
Humm, do you actually think it's fear mongering though. Maybe you used the wrong words to express the idea. Are you saying I'm trying to stop town from pushing Axel, via fear of me then accusing them of being mafia? Mmm, yes, I think this is what you are sayinh, and it is somewhat true because I do think Axel is a bad place to push and if were a serial killer or something he wouldn't have claimed the way he did.
You may continue to push for Axel's claim. I do not think it will lead anywhere.
Do you have other wolf reads? Is this it?
V/LA a couple days
Fear-mongering probably was the wrong word because it probably means I am calling it wolfy, which I'm not really, I just think that thinking like that is unnecessary and probably the wrong way to look at things this early?
Jack: What meta reasons are you saying I'm lean town for, and why is it the case that in your next read post you 'need more content from me'? One has a read on me, one does not. Justify those for me, would you?
Wisp: I hadn't stated one yet. Gun to my head I'd place him a little above rnad town on the premise that the gambit was a bit weird for scum to do.
Nothing solid yet though.
Why is Axel's response to me townie?
Goo: WHO ARE YOUUUUUU?
Amy: This actually was the kind of thing he was town for in GAME I CAN'R REMEMBER
Kpaca: It's certainly possible that Wisp si scum, I'm just saying it's not for the reasons you want him to be. The things you're saying he's csum for are things I identify and NAI from Wisp.
Amy: Why the vote on Zionite?
stop trying to figure out Lagoon is
vote axelrod CHOOO CHOOOOO
Axelrod is a bad day 1 lynch imo, since he's likely 3P and won't even fully flip. I'd be pretty underwhelmed if he went and tripped over his own words the way he did as a member of the mafia, this would be far from his first rodeo.
That's all I have to say re: the last few pages, aside from noting that Jack's super long post + "well that was longer than expected" was hilarious and towny.
Wait which one. I don't think I have ever played scum with you apart from one whre I ever posted. I can only assume it was an alt game. That jab was aimed more at others.
Thought it was a jab from when I was scum and claimed I could get a good early read on you.
Do you think the defeatist tone read on Jack could be an actual thing?
Re: defeatist, he's given off that sort of tone in towngames, sure, but I don't know if it's AI.
I think it's super goober-ish to write out a whole wall of fake reads and then pretend to be embarrassed that it ended up being a tl;dr.
Idk, feelings of anxiety and persecution that have nothing to do with alignment?
Thank you re: Jack.
What's your problem with him then? Where's this leading to?
Don't know for sure since he left before he answered my question.
Point is we can move on.
Ok.
So, shadow's a wolf, y/n?
Also, specifically this tone from Jackrito is what I'm talking about. He just seems so done with our *****. World weary. Wolfy look on some people, but I think towny on him.