I don't know how you have this viewpoint of me Amy when we haven't played and it's entirely like, wrong and skewed on how I just play mafia in general but I'll just go answer your post.
i told you, it's not a you-specific read
when i'm looking for villagers, i'm looking for process, motivation, why are you poking at the things you're poking at. what's going on under the hood. when i can't get under a player's hood, when i can't figure out why they're doing the things they're doing, it concerns me.
i think my questioning's made this very clear, but like... i just don't get your thing about tom. at all. it feels like you're not really thinking through the things you're saying all the way - you're saying things that sound good on the surface but don't really hold up under scrutiny. it looks like there's more depth than there is
and again, this is not contingent on you being you. this is how i read people, period
i can call you konan if it makes you feel better, but removing the familiarity with the person doesn't affect the validity of the read whatsoever
I have no idea how to type this post out politely without it sounding like ate or victim shaming so I think I will just retire for the evening and come back in the morning with a clear head. If you have questions regarding reads and not my own slot do feel free to let me know so we can have a proper talk about them. Everything else will likely be ignored due to the fact we have 2 days left and have more important matters to deal with.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
what if most scums are wifom-y avoiding Tom's wagon and most townies didn't find a reason to scum read him to vote?
If anything a gif game is very hard to sustain as scum and i am disspointed Tom dropped it but his posts are hard to point out like scum motivated.
Your post looks like a hidden invite for everyone to vote Tom but without real substance.
Wifom is never something that should be brought into an argument because it is something you can say about nearly any statement made. Really, the only time wifom is a souce that holds water is when the user in question uses wifom as a main defense often. However, I doubt scum in the case you are bringing up just decided to wifom toms wagon.
I can tell you a gif game is not very hard to do as scum at all. Along with the fact it has been clarified that it is NAI for tom. Yes I am inviting people to vote tom because if you look at his content that doesn’t involve the gifs it leaves a lot to be desired
explain me please the bolded part. My answer will come later, i am busy all this real day from now on, sorry about that.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
what if most scums are wifom-y avoiding Tom's wagon and most townies didn't find a reason to scum read him to vote?
If anything a gif game is very hard to sustain as scum and i am disspointed Tom dropped it but his posts are hard to point out like scum motivated.
Your post looks like a hidden invite for everyone to vote Tom but without real substance.
here's a question i'd like to ask, btw: why is this post enough to motivate a vote on konan, but the entire exchange with terraine earlier (one in which you immediately adopted a stance of "why are you trying to shade me" and never backed down from said stance) was not?
this konan vote is the first real stance that this slot has committed to all game.
Welcome Trisscar and Rhand!
At least i will feel less alone while catching up.
At the moment of my last post #320 i have Wisp as leaning villager by tone of posts, with Amy and Lagoon.
I don't trust Kpaca for his entry and his self meta, Rodemy for that plan (i know townies can have plans too but until i see more posts from him i am not convinced he didn't fake it).
I liked Tom's Ron gif reads on page 6 somewhere and Tuba is at the upper part of the null.
I am usually an AMA person, now I have so much to read that i feel myself an alien in the game. Of course you can AMA but you may not receive a complete answer. Not yet ^^
do you mention primarily players who were central drivers of discussion... and then tubba. but not terraine?
the mention of tubba here is like. suuuuper out of place. wakemeup, what was so notable about him that you felt the need to talk about him, but not more vocal players such as sloth or terraine?
I still have to read from post 320 to 1300 (plus the posts until i entered itt between 1300 and 1400)
I can't have consistency in play no matter how much i want.
If you don't jump at me so ferocious you will notice I have a logic even if i don't explain it.
Last game Wisp saw me playing very conscious because i had a role bad for town if mislynched. Now i am not important, i am just villager. If you don't let me take my time to catch up, my answers will be bad and you will tunnel me and at my flip you will say fml how come WMU flipped villager?
Terrain was logical, shady but logical. Konan is ilogical fmpov.
The vote is the only way i saw to stir the waters to understand him.
Got a problem with me not having a read for TerRain or Sloth? I can't read them. I need time.
I scrolled back a bit to try and find a recent votecount. As far as I know, wagons are kind of broken and hovering at like 3 or 4 votes, and deadline is in two days.
Would prefer to axe ZDS, but also okay with voting Konan.
Honestly, Amy is kind of demotivating because she says I want say before I can say it and then I'm like "Why am I here?"
Konan, I'm not going to do the work on tom to convince you when you have done absolutely no work to convince me on literally anything other than your own innocence. Imo, stop with the self defense and actually try to solve the game like a villager. Like, the reason you're going to die Today is you have projected no interest in solving the game. If you're town, fix that. If you're scum, still rry to fix that.
Also, the scumteam is literally just Konan, Tubba, Wakemeup, Sloth and Ter. Amy, Last, Lagoon, tom, kpaca, Terry, Rodemy, Jackrito, Trisscar and Fuwa are all obvious town, mafia is so easy, don't @ me.
Now looking at the past VC, I hate that both Tubba and Konan are both voting Tom vote: Konan
Whatever, I'll take the L for hedging on both ZDS and Konan for so long if they are actually both wolves
Honestly, Amy is kind of demotivating because she says I want say before I can say it and then I'm like "Why am I here?"
Konan, I'm not going to do the work on tom to convince you when you have done absolutely no work to convince me on literally anything other than your own innocence. Imo, stop with the self defense and actually try to solve the game like a villager. Like, the reason you're going to die Today is you have projected no interest in solving the game. If you're town, fix that. If you're scum, still rry to fix that.
Let us make something very clear: It isn't I have shown no interest in solving the game, in fact I have many times. It's no one is interested in solving it with me. I have laid out the red carpet many times to try and get people to engage in reads with me that aren't myself (as I stated right above this) but the only thing people are interested in doing is Attacking, laughing, or pushing my posts. I have talked about reads and no one has done anything In my entire mafia career I have never seen something so unpleasant in my life. Also this isn't the reason I am dying today. The reason I am dying today is because you took a single sentence as me having TMI when it was null at best. Do not try to move goal posts to justify your logic.
With all that said. I am just a townie. If your vote is not on tom/me/ZDS move it.
What does solving mean in a world where youre doing it and im not?
I feel like that's just wrong in and of itself. I have seen your attempts at solving and while some of them aren't bad, I don't find them really good enough for me to want to vote you over ZDS since we are the 3 lynch options at the moment.
ya there still isnt much of a reason to think these thoughts from Konan are malicious, his read on Tom regardless of Tom's alignment is kinda weird and really forced
Konan is in my nulls, and everyone else is making me doubt my oranges, so like idk
we have two days left, which means we don't have much more time to consolidate
Overall though, for a day 1 lynch, this doesn't bother me too much
@konan
can we expect you to claim soon?
I have an excuse to tickle Fonti if this flips blue though
claire, do you think that tom's scumbuddies would have jumped on his wagon if he were scum, or do you think they'd be more likely to defend him/push back? or do you think they'd stay away entirely?
This is what I've been trying to mull over without committing to a read on it. Because the only person who was voting tom at the time that I was scumreading is tuba. So that brings into question: A) is tom town while scum are staying off the wagon to get credit if the lynch gets though. B) Is he scum where his partners aren't voting him? C) Or is he scum where his partners are voting him. At the moment, I lean C or A. But that requires more posts from tom for me to get the answer.
I am just gonna keep Sloth/Ter/Goo at really really really light town
if Kpaca is red, then Terry is town
I dont really think I am jumping the gun on Tubba, or Fulcrum (the paranoia is still there though)
Amy I am fine with, she has been extremely natural with her thoughts
I agree with ZDS and his thoughts on Kill
and wake is doing her own thing rather than forcing stuff, which I like, this might be pre-mature but hey its day 1, so yeet
I strongly disagree with Kpaca and Rod. I'm more interested in hearing about Jack.
Kpca's tunnel on tom who I believe is scum at the moment I doubt is SvS it's vastly overdone if so and he seems genuine in his push. While I am now townreading fulcrum with the engagement. I think the way Rod reacted to pressure was coming from town. Although some people seem to have meta that disagree with my theory.
As I stated previously, tom is someeone I expected scum to hop on and try to punish/vote for a long time considering his gimmick. I found it odd how the only person I wasn't townreading who was doing such a thing was Tubba. Along with the fact it was just so hard to wagon tom at all, still now when he's posting barely any worthwhile content. I came to the answer it's most likely he's so hard to wagon because scum simply aren't doing it when I bet they'd easily do so if tom was town.
There's speculation about tom, a repeat of you Kpaca and Rodemy townreads from the catchup, a townread on me that is not explained beyond my engagement, and a very poorly explained scumread on tom (like, I think your case is literally just "most of the people who voted tom were town, therefore he's probably scum" and claiming he's not posting reads, when he in fact is). The only reads you've had that have changed since your catchup are tom going from null to scum and me going from scum to town, and again I do not understand why your read on me changed at all. You appear to have dropped your Lagoon scumread, which you seemed reasonably sure of in your catchup, with no explanation. The rest of your posts are just repeated self defense.
I'm sorry that you're frustrated, and it's not my intention to make this frustrating for you. But what you're doing is not helpful, and it does not look town. It implies an interest only in your own survival, not an interest in catching scum.
Also, you were townreading ZDS in your catchup for his push on Rodemy, and now you're saying people should vote him, but you haven't talked about your read changing there at all.
Also, you were townreading ZDS in your catchup for his push on Rodemy, and now you're saying people should vote him, but you haven't talked about your read changing there at all.
Also, you were townreading ZDS in your catchup for his push on Rodemy, and now you're saying people should vote him, but you haven't talked about your read changing there at all.
My read hasn't changed. It's the fact we have 2 days to deadline and the only 3 logical votes are the people with wagons on them. Being me ZDS and tom. I doubt you can get a lynch through on anyone else.
Why would we switch wagons when Konan is advocating yeeting one of her townreads?
It is genuinely impressive how you just take anything I say into the worst manner possible when this is basic mafia 101 talk.
You cannot seriously think that with 2 entire days left, which is longer than some games Days on other sites, there is no chance of killing someone who doesn't already have four out of 20 votes, and it's not even worth trying. That is crazy.
Why would we switch wagons when Konan is advocating yeeting one of her townreads?
It is genuinely impressive how you just take anything I say into the worst manner possible when this is basic mafia 101 talk.
And I made a whole post to explain why what you're doing isn't work and to talk about what you need to do to be townread and you just skipped past is to whine instead?
If you're town, do your job and try to solve. If you're not town, then stop complaining about being caught, it isn't helping you.
Why would we switch wagons when Konan is advocating yeeting one of her townreads?
It is genuinely impressive how you just take anything I say into the worst manner possible when this is basic mafia 101 talk.
You cannot seriously think that with 2 entire days left, which is longer than some games Days on other sites, there is no chance of killing someone who doesn't already have four out of 20 votes, and it's not even worth trying. That is crazy.
Why would we switch wagons when Konan is advocating yeeting one of her townreads?
It is genuinely impressive how you just take anything I say into the worst manner possible when this is basic mafia 101 talk.
You cannot seriously think that with 2 entire days left, which is longer than some games Days on other sites, there is no chance of killing someone who doesn't already have four out of 20 votes, and it's not even worth trying. That is crazy.
Perhaps your site's culture is different from mine, but trying to start a wagon 2 days to deadline is strongly discouraged when you have 3 wagons that already have 4+ votes
Why would we switch wagons when Konan is advocating yeeting one of her townreads?
It is genuinely impressive how you just take anything I say into the worst manner possible when this is basic mafia 101 talk.
And I made a whole post to explain why what you're doing isn't work and to talk about what you need to do to be townread and you just skipped past is to whine instead?
If you're town, do your job and try to solve. If you're not town, then stop complaining about being caught, it isn't helping you.
Drop the attitude, it's not needed and frankly, you're not being helpful. I'm not answering your incorrect wall post and assumptions because as I said I am going to ignore talks about my own defense because I do not care. I am focusing on trying to find scum by re reading isos and preparing a final reads list.
Perhaps you should focus on finding scum since you're incorrect on at least one of your reads and stop trying to beat someone down into the dirt repeatedly. You're not being as helpful as you think you are.
I'm going back to reading isos. If you have any questions about slots that aren't myself do let me know. Otherwise don't waste time.
vote: ZDS
ill just go with the guy picking on anything that sticks I guess
still kinda think his votes arent really calculated
but I've been wrong before
@Lagoon @Ampharos @Tom @Wisp
Wake is probably tmiing Konan as mafia, her parroting the vote logic on Konan out of nowhere reeks. The catch-ups are weird too, and Amy pointed out a bunch of scummy ***** from them as well. Konan's more present and productive than Wake anyway, if she's town she's more likely to get her ***** together than Wake is, imo.
Perhaps you should focus on finding scum since you're incorrect on at least one of your reads and stop trying to beat someone down into the dirt repeatedly. You're not being as helpful as you think you are.
I'm going back to reading isos. If you have any questions about slots that aren't myself do let me know. Otherwise don't waste time.
explain me please the bolded part. My answer will come later, i am busy all this real day from now on, sorry about that.
I still have to read from post 320 to 1300 (plus the posts until i entered itt between 1300 and 1400)
I can't have consistency in play no matter how much i want.
If you don't jump at me so ferocious you will notice I have a logic even if i don't explain it.
Last game Wisp saw me playing very conscious because i had a role bad for town if mislynched. Now i am not important, i am just villager. If you don't let me take my time to catch up, my answers will be bad and you will tunnel me and at my flip you will say fml how come WMU flipped villager?
Terrain was logical, shady but logical. Konan is ilogical fmpov.
The vote is the only way i saw to stir the waters to understand him.
Got a problem with me not having a read for TerRain or Sloth? I can't read them. I need time.
##Vote: WakeMeUp
remind me to explain this tomorrow. maybe someone else will see what I'm seeing
WMU i still want to know why you thought tubba was notable to comment on
also if you think that was a ferocious push wait till you meet literally anyone else itg. I'm a softie lmao
if i post again tonight someone confiscate my phone
Would prefer to axe ZDS, but also okay with voting Konan.
I really hope konan is a wolf for your sake...
Is that a threat?
Konan, I'm not going to do the work on tom to convince you when you have done absolutely no work to convince me on literally anything other than your own innocence. Imo, stop with the self defense and actually try to solve the game like a villager. Like, the reason you're going to die Today is you have projected no interest in solving the game. If you're town, fix that. If you're scum, still rry to fix that.
The scumteam is lirerally just Konan/Tubba/Wake/Sloth/ZDS.
Boom, bye scum.
Maybe it is
it's less impressive when you cheat off the answer key
God damn it.
I did not see the spoiler, I thought I was first, **** this.
Why can't you let me have this, Amy?
I'll re-evaluate based on ZDS/Konans flip, we will see
vote: Konan
Whatever, I'll take the L for hedging on both ZDS and Konan for so long if they are actually both wolves
Lame
With all that said. I am just a townie. If your vote is not on tom/me/ZDS move it.
Konan is in my nulls, and everyone else is making me doubt my oranges, so like idk
we have two days left, which means we don't have much more time to consolidate
Overall though, for a day 1 lynch, this doesn't bother me too much
@konan
can we expect you to claim soon?
I have an excuse to tickle Fonti if this flips blue though
@Last I claimed townie or vanilla townie
I'm sorry that you're frustrated, and it's not my intention to make this frustrating for you. But what you're doing is not helpful, and it does not look town. It implies an interest only in your own survival, not an interest in catching scum.
WMU and tubba look nice and juicy
maybe day 2
You cannot seriously think that with 2 entire days left, which is longer than some games Days on other sites, there is no chance of killing someone who doesn't already have four out of 20 votes, and it's not even worth trying. That is crazy.
And I made a whole post to explain why what you're doing isn't work and to talk about what you need to do to be townread and you just skipped past is to whine instead?
If you're town, do your job and try to solve. If you're not town, then stop complaining about being caught, it isn't helping you.
I'm going back to reading isos. If you have any questions about slots that aren't myself do let me know. Otherwise don't waste time.
ill just go with the guy picking on anything that sticks I guess
still kinda think his votes arent really calculated
but I've been wrong before
both Konan and Fonti have fair points
@Lagoon @Ampharos @Tom @Wisp
Wake is probably tmiing Konan as mafia, her parroting the vote logic on Konan out of nowhere reeks. The catch-ups are weird too, and Amy pointed out a bunch of scummy ***** from them as well. Konan's more present and productive than Wake anyway, if she's town she's more likely to get her ***** together than Wake is, imo.
Vote: Wakemeup
Let's go.
Eye rolling intensifies.
Konan doesn't have any points, Last.
I'll entertain the idea.