Well speedy, it's good to hear that you had noble intentions. But it's nice to have you back. And, though I haven't played with PC yet, the black counterspell seems to be easy enough to get around unless you can put some serious pressure on their life total in other ways. No way that it flies in any real control deck.
thats my feel. hey has any one ever tried a dove scape deck? i have a friend here and we are going to try and break the card. we have a preaty nice deck right now but it needs testing so i will post it probly tomarow when we get back from fnm. we just would like to see what others are doing so we can get a better grasp on this card. note the deck we are trying is W/U this may help you out in your choices. thanks.
Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks UR Delver UB Dredge WB Tokens UR Moderns Storm
The black counterspell, think of it this way, you either lose your spell or lose a fourth of your life. When your facing black, it can be catastrophic, especially if the build a good deck *cough underworld dreams cough*.
I HAVE THE FUNNEST DOVESCAPE DECK!
Basic idea, get out dovescape WHEN YOU HAVE ANTHEM, GIANT, OR ARMORER, so your tokens are better than theirs. You almost automatically win.
@ waymc- why i left, i was just sick of magic. It was ruining one of my friendships with one of my best friends (hes better now), and Im sick of all the selfish people ripping on noobs instead of helping them. For example, when a noob gets a good card, the better people usually trade them jack-s*** for it instead of its actual value. And if they make a play error, dont make fun of them, help them learn to be better. Ive decided that leaving the game wont actually help any of this, so im back.
Yeah, I get sick of the mentality of people too. People think somehow that by not helping you become a better player they are maintaining their current position as better than you.
Yeah, I get sick of the mentality of people too. People think somehow that by not helping you become a better player they are maintaining their current position as better than you.
Which they are, relative to you. And if that's their goal, they will never get any better relative to the best players. Helping your opponent (after the match, advisably) is a selfless way to help yourself in the long run. Then again, some people get upset at you if you try to point out a play error they were making. Also, you should be sure not to give away too much information on your strategies or tells. So it's not always a straightforward question of being the good guy; sometimes it comes back and bites you in the ass.
@spediesteban422 while i like your build what do u think about maby instead of the armorer useing the bluse sprite from TS that gives all your other flying +0/+1? i think is is better in the deck my self but like i said im looking for suggestions. also we were looking at useing Draining
Whelk and Snaptail drake for counter to stop there big spells from producing large scale tokens. with what you gave me here is my take on a Dovescape.dec
ok so thats what ive come up with i know its a little wierd but this is the build so far im liking on it what you guys think? if not please tell me what im doing wrong. thnx
Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks UR Delver UB Dredge WB Tokens UR Moderns Storm
Once you get dovescape out, counterspells are almost usless (you can use em to get a few more tokens, but thats it). The reason i run the arbiter is he makes dovescape cost 4 to play, and say you play another dovescape while that one is out, you get 6 tokens for 4 mana. Its pretty shnazzy. Whelk is good, in the sense that its still a counterspell that you can play when dovescape is out. I dont really see any point in teferi's moat, b/c you have enough blockers to chump block everything. Also, for your lands, if you dont want to be expensive, dont buy the duals. Its that simple
Windreaver is ok, but i really dont think he works with the theme of this deck. He is a good solid creature, but for 5 mana you could b getting 5 tokens instead with a card like tidings. Moon sprite is ok, but there are better fish in the sea...
Also, i made this deck b4 coldsnap came out, so it has no new cards in it, lol.
Yeah, the people who lose and "dont want" help, in my opinion, they just dont want to acknowledge you are better than they are. WHO I HATE is the people who (by rating) are better than you, but you win and when you say good game, they say, "no it wasn't". I really cant stand them...
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It's all about the Firemind, baby.
Think before you burn.
Or not.
I would like to become the Apprentice of the esteemed Tiki-man and study Spell Manipulation under him.
I will soon have a sweet banner, so look out!
-AI
Ok good!!!! welcome AsianInvasion, all we need is wait for rocker so he can update the thread, but I think you will get accepted I'm tony the rep of the clan here is a cookie for you ...... thinking........ ohhh and put a link to the clan in your signature please is a requierement!!
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its ok tony. thnx for the insite speedy what i had there was waht he realy wanted in the deck so modding that with what you gave thats why we went that way itll be trial and error. Woot new member [hopfuly] welcome to our guild.
ok on to good news drafted last night. ravnica block no doubt and well heres picks 1-3.
pick one dimir house guard nothing else was good
pick two Morri how this got to me is beyond me this card is the nuts
and pick three Dark Confidont now this is a shock
so yeah i was preaty heavy U/B pack 3 dissention i splashed green for simic stuff worked out realy well. got mirmer vig in the deck and rocked with him and his crew. so yeah went 2-1 was nice to win a draft. havnt in a while. my partner got a debters knel i took bob. thats bout it for me thnx for the help guys ill be back later im going to luch with my GF c ya
Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks UR Delver UB Dredge WB Tokens UR Moderns Storm
@spediesteban422 while i like your build what do u think about maby instead of the armorer useing the bluse sprite from TS that gives all your other flying +0/+1? i think is is better in the deck my self but like i said im looking for suggestions. also we were looking at useing Draining Whelk and Snaptail drake for counter to stop there big spells from producing large scale tokens. with what you gave me here is my take on a Dovescape.dec
Here's Dovescape.
Whenever a player plays a noncreature spell, counter that spell. {Notice the lack of the phrase "If you do..."} That player puts X 1/1 white and blue Bird creature tokens with flying into play, where X is the spell's converted mana cost.
Whelk may counter their spell, but Dovescape gives your opponent Birds anyway.
I was just looking through 1-mana enchantments on Gatherer (I was bored, OK?) and chanced upon this: Multani's Presence
Here I am, thinking about how crappy the black "choice" spells in PC are, and there's this little relic that makes them playable. Sweet!
Someone want to whip up a decklist?
But asian the thing is they are techmicaly trying to play a spell. what your doing is inresponce countering the spell there for it was never played. they get tokens if the spell is alowed to resolve by dove scape. plus it was mostly in there to deal with big creatures not the non creature spells them selves. there for stoping threats that can hurt him and kill his tokens. i forgot to add that part. his tokens can deal with theres easy enough.
Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks UR Delver UB Dredge WB Tokens UR Moderns Storm
But asian the thing is they are techmicaly trying to play a spell. what your doing is inresponce countering the spell there for it was never played. they get tokens if the spell is alowed to resolve by dove scape. plus it was mostly in there to deal with big creatures not the non creature spells them selves. there for stoping threats that can hurt him and kill his tokens. i forgot to add that part. his tokens can deal with theres easy enough.
@niv- Me thinks he will still get the tokens..... Im not positive though, but whelk vs. creatures is still good.
I am PO'd. I went to a draft, but got mana screwed so bad... The most mana i had in a game was 2...
But asian the thing is they are techmicaly trying to play a spell. what your doing is inresponce countering the spell there for it was never played. they get tokens if the spell is alowed to resolve by dove scape. plus it was mostly in there to deal with big creatures not the non creature spells them selves. there for stoping threats that can hurt him and kill his tokens. i forgot to add that part. his tokens can deal with theres easy enough.
Countering a spell does not mean that it was never played.
If you try to counter a noncreature spell with Draining Whelk while Dovescape is in play, they will still get their Birds.
Of course, spediesteban is right in that Whelk handily eliminates creature threats.
alright then. at least its still a good creature for the deck. sorry to hear about your draft speedy that realy sux.
wooot P.C. comes out friday!!!! yes im so drafting nothing but P.C. maby one T.S. and 2 P.C. thats going to be fun. well hows everyone else been? good over here. Talk to you all later
Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks UR Delver UB Dredge WB Tokens UR Moderns Storm
I am so drafting on Friday.
My friend is buying a box, so we're just going to use his cards for a draft.
Later, we're going to have another draft where we get to actually keep the cards...yay!
I am so drafting on Friday.
My friend is buying a box, so we're just going to use his cards for a draft.
Later, we're going to have another draft where we get to actually keep the cards...yay!
keeping cards is always a good thing, lol.
Torchling rocks.
but damnation pwns it....
where has everybody gone?
*looks around*
maybe some cookies will lure them back
:cookie::cookie::cookie:
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Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks
UR Delver
UB Dredge
WB Tokens
UR Moderns Storm
I HAVE THE FUNNEST DOVESCAPE DECK!
Basic idea, get out dovescape WHEN YOU HAVE ANTHEM, GIANT, OR ARMORER, so your tokens are better than theirs. You almost automatically win.
7 island
7 plains
4 hallowed fountain
4 adarkar wastes
4 azorious chancery
4 veteran armorer
3 grand arbiter
4 glorious anthem
3 cancel
4 mana leak
4 remand
4 dovescape
4 azorious signet
Yup, the resemblence to Browbeat is scary. And that's never been a good thing.
edit:
Yeah, I get sick of the mentality of people too. People think somehow that by not helping you become a better player they are maintaining their current position as better than you.
Which they are, relative to you. And if that's their goal, they will never get any better relative to the best players. Helping your opponent (after the match, advisably) is a selfless way to help yourself in the long run. Then again, some people get upset at you if you try to point out a play error they were making. Also, you should be sure not to give away too much information on your strategies or tells. So it's not always a straightforward question of being the good guy; sometimes it comes back and bites you in the ass.
Whelk and Snaptail drake for counter to stop there big spells from producing large scale tokens. with what you gave me here is my take on a Dovescape.dec
23 ??
Creatures
4 - Spiketail Drake
4 - Moon Sprite
2 - Windweaver
2 - Draining Whelk
2 - Oathsworn giant
4 - Gloryus Anthom
3 - Dovescape
2 - Teferies Moat
Spells
4 - Remand
4 - Rewind
2 - supply//demand
4 - Azurus Signet
ok so thats what ive come up with i know its a little wierd but this is the build so far im liking on it what you guys think? if not please tell me what im doing wrong. thnx
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Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks
UR Delver
UB Dredge
WB Tokens
UR Moderns Storm
Windreaver is ok, but i really dont think he works with the theme of this deck. He is a good solid creature, but for 5 mana you could b getting 5 tokens instead with a card like tidings. Moon sprite is ok, but there are better fish in the sea...
Also, i made this deck b4 coldsnap came out, so it has no new cards in it, lol.
Yeah, the people who lose and "dont want" help, in my opinion, they just dont want to acknowledge you are better than they are. WHO I HATE is the people who (by rating) are better than you, but you win and when you say good game, they say, "no it wasn't". I really cant stand them...
I just re-read calciderm, and found out it had untargetability. I was wondering why everyone liked it so much...
Why?
It's all about the Firemind, baby.
Think before you burn.
Or not.
I would like to become the Apprentice of the esteemed Tiki-man and study Spell Manipulation under him.
I will soon have a sweet banner, so look out!
-AI
So, how have u guys been? I've been working on a rubics cube, and its giving me hell..
Acolyte of Spell Manipulation
I had a friend who could take one look at a rubics cube, put it behind his back and solve it w/o looking at it again. Pretty nuts.
Acolyte of Spell Manipulation
I don't think I've ever solved one.
Ok good!!!! welcome AsianInvasion, all we need is wait for rocker so he can update the thread, but I think you will get accepted I'm tony the rep of the clan here is a cookie for you ...... thinking........ ohhh and put a link to the clan in your signature please is a requierement!!
@ALL: sorry for not being around this days but I been working a lot and I didn't have any free time but I'm back !!!
ok on to good news drafted last night. ravnica block no doubt and well heres picks 1-3.
pick one dimir house guard nothing else was good
pick two Morri how this got to me is beyond me this card is the nuts
and pick three Dark Confidont now this is a shock
so yeah i was preaty heavy U/B pack 3 dissention i splashed green for simic stuff worked out realy well. got mirmer vig in the deck and rocked with him and his crew. so yeah went 2-1 was nice to win a draft. havnt in a while. my partner got a debters knel i took bob. thats bout it for me thnx for the help guys ill be back later im going to luch with my GF c ya
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High Mage of Time Manipulation in the IzzetLeague
Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks
UR Delver
UB Dredge
WB Tokens
UR Moderns Storm
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Just thought I'd point out:
Here's Dovescape.
Whenever a player plays a noncreature spell, counter that spell. {Notice the lack of the phrase "If you do..."} That player puts X 1/1 white and blue Bird creature tokens with flying into play, where X is the spell's converted mana cost.
Whelk may counter their spell, but Dovescape gives your opponent Birds anyway.
Here I am, thinking about how crappy the black "choice" spells in PC are, and there's this little relic that makes them playable. Sweet!
Someone want to whip up a decklist?
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High Mage of Time Manipulation in the IzzetLeague
Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks
UR Delver
UB Dredge
WB Tokens
UR Moderns Storm
@niv- Me thinks he will still get the tokens..... Im not positive though, but whelk vs. creatures is still good.
I am PO'd. I went to a draft, but got mana screwed so bad... The most mana i had in a game was 2...
And most of my spells were 3cc....
that sucked
Countering a spell does not mean that it was never played.
If you try to counter a noncreature spell with Draining Whelk while Dovescape is in play, they will still get their Birds.
Of course, spediesteban is right in that Whelk handily eliminates creature threats.
wooot P.C. comes out friday!!!! yes im so drafting nothing but P.C. maby one T.S. and 2 P.C. thats going to be fun. well hows everyone else been? good over here. Talk to you all later
The Izzet League Pyros Welcome
High Mage of Time Manipulation in the IzzetLeague
Time Manipulation Device Mark Three: Hour Glass Reversal
Idea was found looking into the past useing the time turner to go to egypt. After study have made improvments to device and are ready for testing. Waiting for Slaker to come back to throw him through it. I hope he turns out better then the elf i captured.
Decks
UR Delver
UB Dredge
WB Tokens
UR Moderns Storm
My friend is buying a box, so we're just going to use his cards for a draft.
Later, we're going to have another draft where we get to actually keep the cards...yay!
keeping cards is always a good thing, lol.
Torchling rocks.
but damnation pwns it....
where has everybody gone?
*looks around*
maybe some cookies will lure them back
:cookie::cookie::cookie:
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