I'm going for the U/b/w blink build with the cliques. In testing it's pretty solid, there's very few dead cards and once you get the engine going, its over. However, I would like more changelings in there just so that I have more of a toolbox for the harbringers once they start coming into play over and over.
First and foremost: You're going to want to run more than 20 lands, for sure.
Secondly, I would strongly suggest running both Shriekmaw and Mulldrifter. Terror is the obvious victim of the first substitution, but there is no obvious solution for the second addition. Think about it...
-6 Stuff
-4 Terror
+2 Land
+4 Mulldrifter
+4 Shriekmaw
First and foremost: You're going to want to run more than 20 lands, for sure.
Secondly, I would strongly suggest running both Shriekmaw and Mulldrifter. Terror is the obvious victim of the first substitution, but there is no obvious solution for the second addition. Think about it...
-6 Stuff
-4 Terror
+2 Land
+4 Mulldrifter
+4 Shriekmaw __________________
Actually, from testing, i've never gotten mana screwed. The deck curves out fairy (haha) easilly, but just to be on the safe side, more mana could be good.
@ shriekmaw: I've tested both shriekmaw and terror and terror is better. Why, you may ask? The deck likes to run at instant speed. The only card you will play on sorcery is thoughtseize (because its that damn good.) Every other card in the deck is instant speed, giving you a huge tactical advantage. Plus, on turn 5, I'm never going to want to tap out to kill a creature just to get the advantage of a 3 power fear dude. Mulldrifter, on the other hand, deserves testing...
I've made some modifications:
-1 Familiar's Ruse
-1 Terror
-3 Faerie Trickery
-4 Ponder
+4 Rune Snage
+4 Think Twice
+1 Faerie Harbringer
I'm thinking of putting one copy each of the faerie legend and sower of temptation in, just because I could tutor them with ease.
I've been thinking, and U/R fish with a splash of black could be extremely hawt. you could go the traditional fish route or have a semi-madness theme in there.
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I'm going through a lot of stuff now like RL sucks right now so I'm probably not going to be er, posting at least once on a page? But I'll keep up the best I can.
And, I'm sore...3 skating lessons in one week = rough
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Happy birfday BD! May you have a cake made of ham.
Concerning Lorwyn decks: I'm wanting to make a competitive :symr::symg: Elemental deck,
Elementals seem extremely powerful, in both a subtle and overt way (subtle in that no one's talking about them and overt in that they're sligh.)
Remember, we got spark elemental back and we have storm entity and the one that feeds off time counters (could be good with gargaddon). I would say monored just because elementals have SOOOO much colored mana commitment, going either way, so no groundbreaker either. But, green does have goyf... And there is no harm in running mog fanatic (even though you might not need to with all the good elemental one-drops) or keldon marauders. Here's a sample draft:
Alright, did some testing, and its very fast, but due to MWS retarded shuffling, I couldn't get an accurate read. There were games where I drew 4 tarmogoyfs (3 in the oppening hand!) and there were 3 games where I got mana FLOODED (yeah, thats right, flooded, with 18 lands), drawing 8 lands in a game and a bunch of useless one drops, and 2 games I had both timbermares and elemental champions and only 3 lands. Real life testing needs to be done.
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In BD's spirit, epock has filled in the role of schizophrenic deck builder...and he's not even an official member of the Izzet yet!
Now that's dedication.
Btw, today is BD-s birthday.
I'm going through a lot of stuff now like RL sucks right now so I'm probably not going to be er, posting at least once on a page? But I'll keep up the best I can.
And, I'm sore...3 skating lessons in one week = rough
Alright, did some testing, and its very fast, but due to MWS retarded shuffling, I couldn't get an accurate read. There were games where I drew 4 tarmogoyfs (3 in the oppening hand!) and there were 3 games where I got mana FLOODED (yeah, thats right, flooded, with 18 lands), drawing 8 lands in a game and a bunch of useless one drops, and 2 games I had both timbermares and elemental champions and only 3 lands. Real life testing needs to be done.
You can change the way MWS does the shuffling... look for 'shuffle mode' in Options and set it to 'real life mode' instead of 'full randomization'
I liked your idea, but let's be realistic about that deck: 1 ***/ MoA/Damn/Rough/Tumble = Your dead. Some Harmonizes ( Btw, if anyone's gonna suggest Browbeat, I don't like the idea. If I didn't have anything in my hand and was Wrathed against a control deck, then used Browbeat, the guy would just take the damage and finish me off) would make it really better.
You can change the way MWS does the shuffling... look for 'shuffle mode' in Options and set it to 'real life mode' instead of 'full randomization'
I liked your idea, but let's be realistic about that deck: 1 ***/MoA/Damn/Rough/Tumble = Your dead. Some Harmonizes ( Btw, if anyone's gonna suggest Browbeat, I don't like the idea. If I didn't have anything in my hand and was Wrathed against a control deck, then used Browbeat, the guy would just take the damage and finish me off) would make it really better.
That is a curious quirk of MWS..."full randomization" resulting in a less even distribution of copies or any given card (other than basic lands, obv.)...
I agree that Harmonize is more reliable than Browbeat, but this deck would not be great in the long game at any rate with just 4 copies of Harmonize. I would even consider running Harmonize as well as Browbeat, but that would rather drastically change the game plan of the deck from quick beats to a more midrange style.
Although to be honest, aside from the fact that Tarmogoyf is an insane card, I think the deck would be better as MRSligh.
Although to be honest, aside from the fact that Tarmogoyf is an insane card, I think the deck would be better as MRSligh.
Yeah, that's what I thought, but it's so easy to add just a small amount of green so you can run the best creature ever printed. I'm so glad I picked up a set when they we're 5 bucks a piece and my store disliked it simply on the clause that "it's a goyf." they weren't singing that tune when I destroyed everyone with R/G gruul next FNM :D.
I don't have much energy for this deck, however. I like it, but even though I'm an agro player, sligh is too aggro even for me. I can't wait for my preorders to come in. You can bet after that that all my posts will have something to do with faeries. unfortunately, the only place where I can really playtest is on MWS (yeah, my school sucks. Not really, I just haven't bothered to go meet all the magic folk, its about a miles walk away, and although I'm walked many miles here, I just don't feel like it when other **** needs to be done.)
Yeah, any mass removal=death. It's been a while, I forget, how did sligh deal with mass removal in the past?
Random side note: Jamiroquia is fantastic.
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Yeah, that's what I thought, but it's so easy to add just a small amount of green so you can run the best creature ever printed. I'm so glad I picked up a set when they we're 5 bucks a piece and my store disliked it simply on the clause that "it's a goyf." they weren't singing that tune when I destroyed everyone with R/G gruul next FNM :D.
I don't have much energy for this deck, however. I like it, but even though I'm an agro player, sligh is too aggro even for me. I can't wait for my preorders to come in. You can bet after that that all my posts will have something to do with faeries. unfortunately, the only place where I can really playtest is on MWS (yeah, my school sucks. Not really, I just haven't bothered to go meet all the magic folk, its about a miles walk away, and although I'm walked many miles here, I just don't feel like it when other **** needs to be done.)
Yeah, any mass removal=death. It's been a while, I forget, how did sligh deal with mass removal in the past?
Random side note: Jamiroquia is fantastic.
Yeah, I don't see a future for the deck, either.
I don't actually know what Sligh did in those situations. Perhaps players back then didn't actually play control in the same way control is played today, merely due to the presence of fast cheap removal. I was going to cite Swords to Plowshares, but Jackal Pup never really sucked on any of those.
On a slightly less random side note, I don't like Jamiroquia. Oh well.
I don't actually know what Sligh did in those situations. Perhaps players back then didn't actually play control in the same way control is played today, merely due to the presence of fast cheap removal. I was going to cite Swords to Plowshares, but Jackal Pup never really sucked on any of those.
On a slightly less random side note, I don't like Jamiroquia. Oh well.
Yeah, circa 1999 pt jank was fantastic.
oh, neither do i, but I just can't get 3 of his songs out of my head >_<
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rocram! pretty busy month, isn't it? 2 new members (well, one isn't THAT new, but... whatever) and 3 birtthdays (W00t!! we only need four more members to make me a high mage!!)
BTW, I never thought this deck had a chance. And I think RG sligh used Fecundity. It's pretty damn efficient.
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Hey guys, this may seem kinda random, but i kinda wan2 join your guild :xd:
...
i dont really expect you 2 let me join but if you do it would be great :}
Do you think we're that cruel?
Just for that slight, you can't join.
JUST KIDDING!
When rocker drops in, he'll update the first page to include you and epock
(again).
1. Awesome quote.
2. Good idea for a contest...though very subjective for the judges.
3. I would replace "Water" with "Ice," but that's just because it has a nice ring to it and because of the card.
4. I cheated...Google'd it.
1984.
5. Because I can. Kick Ravus's ass in both a Magic duel and an Ultimate Showdown!
Cheater!
I'm thoroughly surprised you didn't already know it, though...
So this is all I feel like reading right at this very second: One post after my last. However, I see that Epock has returned. OH JOYOUS DAYS!
Edit: Happy birthday, Rocram... :bunny:?
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one stretched out and victim to a chokehold of the other,
both with big stupid grins spreading across their faces.]
It had best be Graveyard-based. If anyone doesn't already know, I absolutely adore the 'yard as a resource. With its cuddly little zombie-buddies and all...
"Cry havoc, and loose the Dogs of War!"
Edit: @CamE: Join teh Izzetz? OF COURSE! I've been needing a new labrat...
Shadowmoor.....It's going to either be ultra Victorian and cool, or ultra Victorian and goth.
Yeah, the goth version is expected, what with the logo. That's why I crave grave-antics! TORMENT TWO!!!
I'd known they were going to go Victorian with this pseudo-block, with Lorwyn's ancient Celtic blah. They are really the only two Mideival blahblahs. That, and they are clearly going to be night and day with Lorwyn's eternal-midsummer and Shadowmoor's gateway to hell... I CAN'T WAIT!
Edit: I have just now seen Spinerock Knoll. IT'S A ****ING DRAGON!!! I MUST HAVE TEHMS!
I'd known they were going to go Victorian with this pseudo-block, with Lorwyn's ancient Celtic blah. They are really the only two Mideival blahblahs. That, and they are clearly going to be night and day with Lorwyn's eternal-blahblahblah
Dude, you must be as high as a kite on a windy day.
Welcome back from your hibernation, friend!
Thanks a lot guys :]
i've been testing ur snow control, its pretty good. skred rocks 8)
Anyway got exams starting friday (usa thurs i think) so ill b busy for a while
First and foremost: You're going to want to run more than 20 lands, for sure.
Secondly, I would strongly suggest running both Shriekmaw and Mulldrifter. Terror is the obvious victim of the first substitution, but there is no obvious solution for the second addition. Think about it...
-6 Stuff
-4 Terror
+2 Land
+4 Mulldrifter
+4 Shriekmaw
@ shriekmaw: I've tested both shriekmaw and terror and terror is better. Why, you may ask? The deck likes to run at instant speed. The only card you will play on sorcery is thoughtseize (because its that damn good.) Every other card in the deck is instant speed, giving you a huge tactical advantage. Plus, on turn 5, I'm never going to want to tap out to kill a creature just to get the advantage of a 3 power fear dude. Mulldrifter, on the other hand, deserves testing...
I've made some modifications:
-1 Familiar's Ruse
-1 Terror
-3 Faerie Trickery
-4 Ponder
+4 Rune Snage
+4 Think Twice
+1 Faerie Harbringer
I'm thinking of putting one copy each of the faerie legend and sower of temptation in, just because I could tutor them with ease.
I've been thinking, and U/R fish with a splash of black could be extremely hawt. you could go the traditional fish route or have a semi-madness theme in there.
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Gah...I am losing money next week.
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:symg::symw: Sigarda EDH
The real battle is not one of power but of will.
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Concerning Lorwyn decks: I'm wanting to make a competitive RG Elemental deck, using stuff like Flamekin Bladewhirl, Nova Chaser, Timbermare, singleton Vigor and
Cloudthresher for tutoring via Flamekin Harbinger...
any ideas?
Btw, today is BD-s birthday.
I'm going through a lot of stuff now like RL sucks right now so I'm probably not going to be er, posting at least once on a page? But I'll keep up the best I can.
And, I'm sore...3 skating lessons in one week = rough
Credit for my sig banner goes to my friend Raptor. <3
Happy birfday BD! May you have a cake made of ham.
Elementals seem extremely powerful, in both a subtle and overt way (subtle in that no one's talking about them and overt in that they're sligh.)
Remember, we got spark elemental back and we have storm entity and the one that feeds off time counters (could be good with gargaddon). I would say monored just because elementals have SOOOO much colored mana commitment, going either way, so no groundbreaker either. But, green does have goyf... And there is no harm in running mog fanatic (even though you might not need to with all the good elemental one-drops) or keldon marauders. Here's a sample draft:
4 Flamekin Bladewhirl
4 Flamekin Harbringer
4 Keldon Marauder
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Spark Elemental
2 Greater Gargadon
2 Nova Chaser
2 Timbermare
4 Rift Bolt
4 Incinerate
4 Seal of Fire
4 Might of Old Krosa
Lands:
4 Karplusan Forest
8 Mountain
6 Forest
18 lands seems fine, the curve is soooo low. This has got me exciteded. Off to MWS to test elemental sligh!
Edit: hmmm....Ashling's prerogative deserves further study....
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Now that's dedication.
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What exactly is "RL?"
Ughhh...Good luck with a full stamina recovery!
You can change the way MWS does the shuffling... look for 'shuffle mode' in Options and set it to 'real life mode' instead of 'full randomization'
I liked your idea, but let's be realistic about that deck: 1 ***/
MoA/Damn/Rough/Tumble = Your dead. Some Harmonizes ( Btw, if anyone's gonna suggest Browbeat, I don't like the idea. If I didn't have anything in my hand and was Wrathed against a control deck, then used Browbeat, the guy would just take the damage and finish me off) would make it really better.
EDIT: BD!!
That is a curious quirk of MWS..."full randomization" resulting in a less even distribution of copies or any given card (other than basic lands, obv.)...
I agree that Harmonize is more reliable than Browbeat, but this deck would not be great in the long game at any rate with just 4 copies of Harmonize. I would even consider running Harmonize as well as Browbeat, but that would rather drastically change the game plan of the deck from quick beats to a more midrange style.
Although to be honest, aside from the fact that Tarmogoyf is an insane card, I think the deck would be better as MRSligh.
16 Mountain
2 Keldon Megaliths
2 Spinerock Knoll
Creatures
4 Flamekin Bladewhirl
4 Flamekin Brawler
4 Flamekin Harbinger
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Keldon Marauders
4 Incandescent Soulstoke
2 Greater Gargadon
2 Hostility
4 Rift Bolt
4 Incinerate
4 Seal of Fire
3 Caterwauling Boggart
4 Ingot Chewer
4 Blood Knight
4 Sudden Shock
EDIT: Incandescent Soulstoke + Nova Chaser = Good times. Does someone have an idea for including the decidedly underwhelming Chaser?
Yeah, that's what I thought, but it's so easy to add just a small amount of green so you can run the best creature ever printed. I'm so glad I picked up a set when they we're 5 bucks a piece and my store disliked it simply on the clause that "it's a goyf." they weren't singing that tune when I destroyed everyone with R/G gruul next FNM :D.
I don't have much energy for this deck, however. I like it, but even though I'm an agro player, sligh is too aggro even for me. I can't wait for my preorders to come in. You can bet after that that all my posts will have something to do with faeries. unfortunately, the only place where I can really playtest is on MWS (yeah, my school sucks. Not really, I just haven't bothered to go meet all the magic folk, its about a miles walk away, and although I'm walked many miles here, I just don't feel like it when other **** needs to be done.)
Yeah, any mass removal=death. It's been a while, I forget, how did sligh deal with mass removal in the past?
Random side note: Jamiroquia is fantastic.
GAYMERS, the cause of, and solution to, all life's problems.
Yeah, I don't see a future for the deck, either.
I don't actually know what Sligh did in those situations. Perhaps players back then didn't actually play control in the same way control is played today, merely due to the presence of fast cheap removal. I was going to cite Swords to Plowshares, but Jackal Pup never really sucked on any of those.
On a slightly less random side note, I don't like Jamiroquia. Oh well.
Yeah, circa 1999 pt jank was fantastic.
oh, neither do i, but I just can't get 3 of his songs out of my head >_<
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Well i have under 50 posts so i am kinda noobey by salvation standards lol but i always play blue control; dralnu, UW, izzet snow whatever
i dont really expect you 2 let me join but if you do it would be great :}
anyway i should finish my essay, nearly sleep time here in nz
Thanks guys
BTW, I never thought this deck had a chance. And I think RG sligh used Fecundity. It's pretty damn efficient.
EDIT: I haaaaate Jamiroquai:mad:
Ah yes, I forgot about that, too bad its not in type :(.
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@ UTSOD: I'll be High Mage long before you, and who knows? I may decide to do something nasty to you before you become my equal once more! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Do you think we're that cruel?
Just for that slight, you can't join.
JUST KIDDING!
When rocker drops in, he'll update the first page to include you and epock
(again).
Cheater!
I'm thoroughly surprised you didn't already know it, though...
So this is all I feel like reading right at this very second: One post after my last. However, I see that Epock has returned. OH JOYOUS DAYS!
Edit: Happy birthday, Rocram... :bunny:?
It had best be Graveyard-based. If anyone doesn't already know, I absolutely adore the 'yard as a resource. With its cuddly little zombie-buddies and all...
"Cry havoc, and loose the Dogs of War!"
Edit: @CamE: Join teh Izzetz? OF COURSE! I've been needing a new labrat...
GAYMERS, the cause of, and solution to, all life's problems.
Yeah, the goth version is expected, what with the logo. That's why I crave grave-antics! TORMENT TWO!!!
I'd known they were going to go Victorian with this pseudo-block, with Lorwyn's ancient Celtic blah. They are really the only two Mideival blahblahs. That, and they are clearly going to be night and day with Lorwyn's eternal-midsummer and Shadowmoor's gateway to hell... I CAN'T WAIT!
Edit: I have just now seen Spinerock Knoll. IT'S A ****ING DRAGON!!! I MUST HAVE TEHMS!
Dude, you must be as high as a kite on a windy day.
Welcome back from your hibernation, friend!
Wow, good call. I didn't notice that at all.
Though you should really chill the **** out. :xd:
Not so important edit:
All of the Hideaway Lands have "hidden creatures" in them. It's just that the one on Mosswort Bridge is really hard to discern.
IMPORTANT EDIT: Has anyone else noticed that wamyc (our "new" Clan Rep) has strangely disappeared???
He hasn't posted since the 18th last month!
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=2231377&postcount=1001
I fear I may actually have killed him...
MODERATELY IMPORTANT EDIT: HEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!
i've been testing ur snow control, its pretty good. skred rocks 8)
Anyway got exams starting friday (usa thurs i think) so ill b busy for a while
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