Surely their own religion counts as part of "religion as a whole"? And in any case, most people respect religion more than they respect non-religion.
I guess I worded that awkwardly. What I meant was, people respect their own religion and not other religions or non-religions. So if you're Buddhist you only respect Buddhism for example.
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I do believe in some thing's too sacred for discussion. In discussion, something's bound to get bashed, so out of respect for whatever it is, you don't discuss it.
That confuzzles me, how can something to be sacred to discuss? "Shhh don't talk about it, its just to nice." You wouldn't by chance have an example of one of these ineffable things?
On another, more related note, I don't understand the comment that was posted about the 'radical atheists'. What exactly is radical atheism, one would wonder. I'm just wondering the reasoning behind that because radical atheism just doesn't seem right at all.
I'm not the op, but I think that statement can be interpreted two ways:
1. There are aethiests out their who want to destroy the church and its policies with violence or pernicious scheming (this is the more unlikely of the two interpretations)
or
2. Many aethiests on the net (these are the so called "radical aethiests") are extremely vocal about their scorn for religion and the people that practice it.
I haven't read every post but I'm gonna fill you in on my stance. *achemmm*
I grew up the son of a Christian minister. He is one of the smartest men I know. He has since retired from the church...more on that later.
I am not an atheist. Nor am I religious. I find that the strongest journey in my life revolves around the things that make me stronger. Some find that strength in God or Jesus and believe one of those two are the source of all that exists. Personally I find that to be a cop-out. Those that believe that God is the almighty creator are usually those that take the word of the bible as a factual account of what happened. I'm rambling. sorry. I personally find those people to be a little weak. They feel that God will guide them through a journey called life, and what ever happens to them is the will of God. They fear doing things against the grain and usually end up with children that rebel beyond the normal angst expected from kids before adulthood.
Part 2 - Another thing that bothers me in more recent times....it seems that when you hear about a serial murderer, rapist, molester or all around horrible criminal...the description of them from the people that knew them is almost always..."I can't believe that he/she (rarely) was capable of those acts. They were such a GOOD CHRISTIAN, active in the church fellowship." What does this mean? Why are they such good "CHRISTIANS" before they kill and mame people? I guess God told them to slaughter innocents? *confused*
Part 3- As I said previously, I grew up the son of a minister. He is a very good man and a VERY good leader. I have tapes of his sermons and I listen to them because they touch on real events....real people. They don't reak of biblical teachings. They actually make me look for my faith inside. Reach down inside my heart and gather my strengths from the things that make me happy and strive to succeed. But he retired from the church....unhappy with what the church had become.
Which brings me to a point I coulda made long ago....I personally don't believe in God. I do however believe in spirituality. I feel that strength comes from inside. My family, my relationship, my children and my life are what give me the strength to do what's right so those that I love will be better off. I truely believe that the only person that should dictate my life, my path, my choices is me.
I don't know...maybe this whole thing didn't make any sense. I just can't have sympathy for those who feel attacked by people who don't share the same faith as they do. My feeling is that if you don't like what you hear or read...stop doing so. Disconnect yourself from the situation. I realized that people in the debate forum are there simply to argue. I'm sure that most don't believe anything they write...they just put it there to get a rise out those who are serious about their beliefs.
"Christians" influence government! Far more than everyone thinks. They may not have the most money, but they have incredible organization and determination. The same people are also responsible for murdering doctors that practice abortions. That act alone makes them more like "Crazy Muslim Extremists" than what people consider "Christian". Of the numerous complaints about Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" during the Super Bowl, all of those calls came from the same religious group. Most from the same person. That single act alone and the debate spurred from it made the fine for similar acts over $500,000.:o It's a boob....we all have them. Except the ones on chicks are soft and round and nicer to look at!:p
Now I'm ranting....or was I doing that the whole time?!?
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On another, more related note, I don't understand the comment that was posted about the 'radical atheists'. What exactly is radical atheism, one would wonder. I'm just wondering the reasoning behind that because radical atheism just doesn't seem right at all.
The first time I heard the term was in an interview with Douglas Adams:
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I think I use the term radical rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as "Atheist," some people will say, "Don't you mean Agnostic"? I have to reply that I really do mean Atheist. I really do not believe that there is a god - in fact I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one. It's easier to say that I am a radical Atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it's an opinion I hold seriously.
I think its the opposite, at least in America: it's rough being an atheist in America. Take my college, for example. Every week, we have some new crazy-Christian group, the ones that list every type of group or person on a banner and denounce them to hell, or hand out pamphlets saying that if we don't stop ass-raping each other and fornicating, then we'll be sinners FOREVER. On top of that, being Richmond, there's a church on every street corner, and there's a culture that if you don't believe in a god, then you're different and that difference is wrong.
Also, there's an implied idea that everyone has to be believe in a god, because thats really the only way for someone to live. It's a scary environment when you talk religion in public, thats why online a different beast comes out in a lot of people. Anonymity sure helps, and also the lack of personal interaction helps.
I think though that the people that dramatize in real life this idea of an "us vs. them", aka Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard and their ilk are the real people that make religion or the lack thereof rough for everyone, because they draw thin lines in the sand and force you to come out and say what you believe. It seems to be a stereotype that religious people fit that narrow stereotype, but unfortunately I know some people like that and I have to be careful. I find the best thing to do in real life is ignore those dumb discussions about religion and get into the nitty gritty of whatever the hell pleases you.
Okay, perhaps not too sacred to discuss, but too sacred to be discussed lightly. An example, I disagree with taking the Lord's name in vain, as it makes light of one I consider holy. With some topics, if I don't believe anything will come of it, then I might not discuss it. You are right, though, that I nor anyone else should use it as an excuse to avoid defending weakly supported opinions.
Edit: Even if you're religious, some groups can be annoying. I don't enjoy finding hypocritical pamphlets on my car that tell me I'm going to hell, that no specific religion can save me, then tells me that they want my information so their religion can send me stuff.
I am a Christian, a Catholic. I have a few agnostic/athiest friends, so I don't have much against athiests untill they start trying to prove religion wrong to spite me. I'm not saying that all athiests do this, and I'm not saying that they always argue against religion just for the sake of arguing. But I get mad at those who do.
I actually debate with fellow Christans more often than with athiests... I argue on behalf of those who don't believe in God (and on the behalf of non-Christians), because I hate it when Christians say that if someone doesn't believe in God, they go to Hell. It doesn't make sense... for many, many reasons. I know that many churches teach this, and I do believe that Jesus Christ leads us to salvation. But I don't see why that salvation should be limited to a few.
So from what I read, its not tough being religious, unless you are one of those people who have the need to impose your beliefs on other people. Other than that you can pray and worship however you like without being bothered in anyway, as long its in private or in a place designated for such activities.
It's rough belonging to any group of any kind with religious affiliation. There will always be people in your group that make you look like complete tools, and there will be people who don't do their part to live up to what they believe in and just appear to be hypocrites or lazy.
I don't try to spite anyone for what they believe or don't believe. I, personally, am somewhat of a freethinker. Open to all ideas, not really putting my foot down on any one set of beliefs or ideas.
Any Christian in America that whines about being persecuted has a persecution complex.
The Christians are the ones doing the persecution in America- one need look no farther than the Religious Right to see this.
They're the ones trying to cram their fairy tales and unprovable bull**** down everyone else's throats. They're the ones trying to force everyone to follow their religion's rules despite the fact that the Constitution quite clearly establishes a separation of church and state.
While the national motto is still the unconstitutional "in God we trust", no Christian in America can legitimately claim persecution.
It is the non-christians that are persecuted by default in America, and this will not stand.
Any Christian in America that whines about being persecuted has a persecution complex.
The Christians are the ones doing the persecution in America- one need look no farther than the Religious Right to see this.
They're the ones trying to cram their fairy tales and unprovable bull**** down everyone else's throats. They're the ones trying to force everyone to follow their religion's rules despite the fact that the Constitution quite clearly establishes a separation of church and state.
While the national motto is still the unconstitutional "in God we trust", no Christian in America can legitimately claim persecution.
It is the non-christians that are persecuted by default in America, and this will not stand.
We don't whine about being persecuted, we whine about having to listen to this.
ChocoCid's comments may be frustrating or borderline rude, but that's no excuse to repay him in kind.
So from what I read, its not tough being religious, unless you are one of those people who have the need to impose your beliefs on other people. Other than that you can pray and worship however you like without being bothered in anyway, as long its in private or in a place designated for such activities.
Amen to that sir! (Only semi-facetious here.)
Problem arises when a religion mandates proselytism, and/or has no truck with the concept of the separation of church and state. Coincidentally, these two precepts also make religions of that stripe most powerfull sociopolitically. Proselytism increases number of believers, and powerful contacts in government cement the influence of the religious elite.
The third ingredient is fanaticism. Some fanatics exist for every known religious or spiritual tradition. However, the most virulent and charismatic fanatics come from religious traditions built around a cosmic duality: heaven and hell, white or black, us or not-us. This is what turns a theocracy into a militant theocracy, neighbor against neighbor, men against women, and people against God.
Any Christian in America that whines about being persecuted has a persecution complex.
The Christians are the ones doing the persecution in America- one need look no farther than the Religious Right to see this.
They're the ones trying to cram their fairy tales and unprovable bull**** down everyone else's throats. They're the ones trying to force everyone to follow their religion's rules despite the fact that the Constitution quite clearly establishes a separation of church and state.
While the national motto is still the unconstitutional "in God we trust", no Christian in America can legitimately claim persecution.
It is the non-christians that are persecuted by default in America, and this will not stand.
What!?!?!?! Are you kidding me? Not to be rude, but you need to go out and meet some real Christians. If you read the first post you would know that what you said is completely false.
The Religious Right is not an example of Christianity, nor is it a group that I, as a Christian, like to be associated with at all. Like Blane_Firehand said, the kinds of things that you just said are the reason why Christians feel persecuted in America. How do you think it would feel if you said that you were a Christian, and immediately everyone stops listening to your opinion and talks to you like you are talking right now.
Like I said before, it's rough being in any group, religious or not, because people will always judge you for it. The only way to stop this is for everyone, atheists, Christians, and others, to respect and listen to the beliefs and views of others, and while we shouldn't force our beliefs down people's throats, everyone should learn about the beliefs of others, because that allows for peace and understanding at least, even if we don't agree.
Like Blane_Firehand said, the kinds of things that you just said are the reason why Christians feel persecuted in America. How do you think it would feel if you said that you were a Christian, and immediately everyone stops listening to your opinion and talks to you like you are talking right now.
Really, I'm not seeing it. If by "everyone", you mean "some people on the internet", maybe. But considering over 3/4-4/5 of America (and Canada) is Christian, you can't seriously say that everybody, or even most people, automatically discredit your opinion just because you said you're Christian. ChocoCid's comments were more directed at the "Religious Right", which certainly does hold a sizeable amount of power in America. How the devil you feel harassed by what ChocoCid said, I have no idea.
Like Blane_Firehand said, the kinds of things that you just said are the reason why Christians feel persecuted in America.
Yeah, uh, no.
Einsteinmonkey has it right-
But considering over 3/4-4/5 of America (and Canada) is Christian, you can't seriously say that everybody, or even most people, automatically discredit your opinion just because you said you're Christian.
Sorry, I was exaggerating a little when I said "everyone", but you know what I mean. You can't say that Christians are not persecuted at all. They are, and you know it. I'm actually extremely surprised that no one other than me and BL noticed how completely inflammatory ChocoCid's post was. Seriously, to all the atheists, try to imagine being a Christian, then reading his post. It was appalling, really.
@EM: If his comments were directed at the Religious Right, maybe he should have made that more clear. From how I read it, it sounded like he was referring to all Christians, but using the Religious Right as an example. The Religious Right is absolutely not an example of Christianity in my eyes, and it is foolish to assume that all Christians are like that. Even if they have power in America, that does not mean that a majority of Christians in America are of the "Religious Right" movement. People need to learn that people on TV do not represent Christianity or the views of all Christians.
@EM: If his comments were directed at the Religious Right, maybe he should have made that more clear. From how I read it, it sounded like he was referring to all Christians, but using the Religious Right as an example. The Religious Right is absolutely not an example of Christianity in my eyes, and it is foolish to assume that all Christians are like that.
I never said the Religious Right is "all Christians". They are, however, the most vocal and most powerful subset of Christianity in America, and a direct enemy of our liberty and freedom.
Even if they have power in America, that does not mean that a majority of Christians in America are of the "Religious Right" movement. People need to learn that people on TV do not represent Christianity or the views of all Christians.
But as long as the religious right is in power, there is no way you can legitimately claim there is any persecution of Christians. It just doesn't make sense.
I'm actually extremely surprised that no one other than me and BL noticed how completely inflammatory ChocoCid's post was. Seriously, to all the atheists, try to imagine being a Christian, then reading his post. It was appalling, really.
I think BF's post was significantly more inflammatory. At least ChocoCid's post had a legitimate point or two buried in it.
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@EM: If his comments were directed at the Religious Right, maybe he should have made that more clear. From how I read it, it sounded like he was referring to all Christians, but using the Religious Right as an example. The Religious Right is absolutely not an example of Christianity in my eyes, and it is foolish to assume that all Christians are like that. Even if they have power in America, that does not mean that a majority of Christians in America are of the "Religious Right" movement. People need to learn that people on TV do not represent Christianity or the views of all Christians.
I never said the Religious Right is "all Christians". They are, however, the most vocal and most powerful subset of Christianity in America, and a direct enemy of our liberty and freedom.
I'll accept that most who profess themselves to be "Christian" might, from an ideological perspective, not exactly be (and you agree with ChocoCid's remark I quoted, and that you wouldn't associate yourself with them). But past that, it's something like "no true Scotsman".
You can't say that Christians are not persecuted at all. They are, and you know it.
There are very few Christians harassed for being Christian (I'd like you to find an example, too). That's an exception as opposed to a rule. What I'm saying is that in America where most people are Christian, where tons of social support structures for Christians exist and enjoy tax breaks, and where Christianity has pervaded the culture, "Christian persecution" is almost always a joke.
[quote=ChocoCid;/comments/11472830]Any Christian in America that whines about being persecuted has a persecution complex.
The Christians are the ones doing the persecution in America- one need look no farther than the Religious Right to see this.
They're the ones trying to cram their fairy tales and unprovable bull**** down everyone else's throats. They're the ones trying to force everyone to follow their religion's rules despite the fact that the Constitution quite clearly establishes a separation of church and state/quote]
Absolutely uncalled for. It is against Christianity to force religion on anyone.
You don't need to be so insulting, either. You won't make Christans feel sorry, you'll just make them mad.
I find it odd, though, how many people who don't believe in God believe in Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, and ghosts.
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I guess I worded that awkwardly. What I meant was, people respect their own religion and not other religions or non-religions. So if you're Buddhist you only respect Buddhism for example.
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That confuzzles me, how can something to be sacred to discuss? "Shhh don't talk about it, its just to nice." You wouldn't by chance have an example of one of these ineffable things?
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I'm not the op, but I think that statement can be interpreted two ways:
1. There are aethiests out their who want to destroy the church and its policies with violence or pernicious scheming (this is the more unlikely of the two interpretations)
or
2. Many aethiests on the net (these are the so called "radical aethiests") are extremely vocal about their scorn for religion and the people that practice it.
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I grew up the son of a Christian minister. He is one of the smartest men I know. He has since retired from the church...more on that later.
I am not an atheist. Nor am I religious. I find that the strongest journey in my life revolves around the things that make me stronger. Some find that strength in God or Jesus and believe one of those two are the source of all that exists. Personally I find that to be a cop-out. Those that believe that God is the almighty creator are usually those that take the word of the bible as a factual account of what happened. I'm rambling. sorry. I personally find those people to be a little weak. They feel that God will guide them through a journey called life, and what ever happens to them is the will of God. They fear doing things against the grain and usually end up with children that rebel beyond the normal angst expected from kids before adulthood.
Part 2 - Another thing that bothers me in more recent times....it seems that when you hear about a serial murderer, rapist, molester or all around horrible criminal...the description of them from the people that knew them is almost always..."I can't believe that he/she (rarely) was capable of those acts. They were such a GOOD CHRISTIAN, active in the church fellowship." What does this mean? Why are they such good "CHRISTIANS" before they kill and mame people? I guess God told them to slaughter innocents? *confused*
Part 3- As I said previously, I grew up the son of a minister. He is a very good man and a VERY good leader. I have tapes of his sermons and I listen to them because they touch on real events....real people. They don't reak of biblical teachings. They actually make me look for my faith inside. Reach down inside my heart and gather my strengths from the things that make me happy and strive to succeed. But he retired from the church....unhappy with what the church had become.
Which brings me to a point I coulda made long ago....I personally don't believe in God. I do however believe in spirituality. I feel that strength comes from inside. My family, my relationship, my children and my life are what give me the strength to do what's right so those that I love will be better off. I truely believe that the only person that should dictate my life, my path, my choices is me.
I don't know...maybe this whole thing didn't make any sense. I just can't have sympathy for those who feel attacked by people who don't share the same faith as they do. My feeling is that if you don't like what you hear or read...stop doing so. Disconnect yourself from the situation. I realized that people in the debate forum are there simply to argue. I'm sure that most don't believe anything they write...they just put it there to get a rise out those who are serious about their beliefs.
"Christians" influence government! Far more than everyone thinks. They may not have the most money, but they have incredible organization and determination. The same people are also responsible for murdering doctors that practice abortions. That act alone makes them more like "Crazy Muslim Extremists" than what people consider "Christian". Of the numerous complaints about Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" during the Super Bowl, all of those calls came from the same religious group. Most from the same person. That single act alone and the debate spurred from it made the fine for similar acts over $500,000.:o It's a boob....we all have them. Except the ones on chicks are soft and round and nicer to look at!:p
Now I'm ranting....or was I doing that the whole time?!?
The first time I heard the term was in an interview with Douglas Adams:
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Also, there's an implied idea that everyone has to be believe in a god, because thats really the only way for someone to live. It's a scary environment when you talk religion in public, thats why online a different beast comes out in a lot of people. Anonymity sure helps, and also the lack of personal interaction helps.
I think though that the people that dramatize in real life this idea of an "us vs. them", aka Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard and their ilk are the real people that make religion or the lack thereof rough for everyone, because they draw thin lines in the sand and force you to come out and say what you believe. It seems to be a stereotype that religious people fit that narrow stereotype, but unfortunately I know some people like that and I have to be careful. I find the best thing to do in real life is ignore those dumb discussions about religion and get into the nitty gritty of whatever the hell pleases you.
Edit: Even if you're religious, some groups can be annoying. I don't enjoy finding hypocritical pamphlets on my car that tell me I'm going to hell, that no specific religion can save me, then tells me that they want my information so their religion can send me stuff.
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I actually debate with fellow Christans more often than with athiests... I argue on behalf of those who don't believe in God (and on the behalf of non-Christians), because I hate it when Christians say that if someone doesn't believe in God, they go to Hell. It doesn't make sense... for many, many reasons. I know that many churches teach this, and I do believe that Jesus Christ leads us to salvation. But I don't see why that salvation should be limited to a few.
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Control is the ultimate expression of power.
I don't try to spite anyone for what they believe or don't believe. I, personally, am somewhat of a freethinker. Open to all ideas, not really putting my foot down on any one set of beliefs or ideas.
That's an interesting and funny way of putting it.
The Christians are the ones doing the persecution in America- one need look no farther than the Religious Right to see this.
They're the ones trying to cram their fairy tales and unprovable bull**** down everyone else's throats. They're the ones trying to force everyone to follow their religion's rules despite the fact that the Constitution quite clearly establishes a separation of church and state.
While the national motto is still the unconstitutional "in God we trust", no Christian in America can legitimately claim persecution.
It is the non-christians that are persecuted by default in America, and this will not stand.
We don't whine about being persecuted, we whine about having to listen to this.
ChocoCid's comments may be frustrating or borderline rude, but that's no excuse to repay him in kind.
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Amen to that sir! (Only semi-facetious here.)
Problem arises when a religion mandates proselytism, and/or has no truck with the concept of the separation of church and state. Coincidentally, these two precepts also make religions of that stripe most powerfull sociopolitically. Proselytism increases number of believers, and powerful contacts in government cement the influence of the religious elite.
The third ingredient is fanaticism. Some fanatics exist for every known religious or spiritual tradition. However, the most virulent and charismatic fanatics come from religious traditions built around a cosmic duality: heaven and hell, white or black, us or not-us. This is what turns a theocracy into a militant theocracy, neighbor against neighbor, men against women, and people against God.
Wow.. some of those statements are just... ridiculous.
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What!?!?!?! Are you kidding me? Not to be rude, but you need to go out and meet some real Christians. If you read the first post you would know that what you said is completely false.
The Religious Right is not an example of Christianity, nor is it a group that I, as a Christian, like to be associated with at all. Like Blane_Firehand said, the kinds of things that you just said are the reason why Christians feel persecuted in America. How do you think it would feel if you said that you were a Christian, and immediately everyone stops listening to your opinion and talks to you like you are talking right now.
Like I said before, it's rough being in any group, religious or not, because people will always judge you for it. The only way to stop this is for everyone, atheists, Christians, and others, to respect and listen to the beliefs and views of others, and while we shouldn't force our beliefs down people's throats, everyone should learn about the beliefs of others, because that allows for peace and understanding at least, even if we don't agree.
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Really, I'm not seeing it. If by "everyone", you mean "some people on the internet", maybe. But considering over 3/4-4/5 of America (and Canada) is Christian, you can't seriously say that everybody, or even most people, automatically discredit your opinion just because you said you're Christian. ChocoCid's comments were more directed at the "Religious Right", which certainly does hold a sizeable amount of power in America. How the devil you feel harassed by what ChocoCid said, I have no idea.
Yeah, uh, no.
Einsteinmonkey has it right-
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@EM: If his comments were directed at the Religious Right, maybe he should have made that more clear. From how I read it, it sounded like he was referring to all Christians, but using the Religious Right as an example. The Religious Right is absolutely not an example of Christianity in my eyes, and it is foolish to assume that all Christians are like that. Even if they have power in America, that does not mean that a majority of Christians in America are of the "Religious Right" movement. People need to learn that people on TV do not represent Christianity or the views of all Christians.
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I never said the Religious Right is "all Christians". They are, however, the most vocal and most powerful subset of Christianity in America, and a direct enemy of our liberty and freedom.
But as long as the religious right is in power, there is no way you can legitimately claim there is any persecution of Christians. It just doesn't make sense.
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I think BF's post was significantly more inflammatory. At least ChocoCid's post had a legitimate point or two buried in it.
I'll accept that most who profess themselves to be "Christian" might, from an ideological perspective, not exactly be (and you agree with ChocoCid's remark I quoted, and that you wouldn't associate yourself with them). But past that, it's something like "no true Scotsman".
There are very few Christians harassed for being Christian (I'd like you to find an example, too). That's an exception as opposed to a rule. What I'm saying is that in America where most people are Christian, where tons of social support structures for Christians exist and enjoy tax breaks, and where Christianity has pervaded the culture, "Christian persecution" is almost always a joke.
The Christians are the ones doing the persecution in America- one need look no farther than the Religious Right to see this.
They're the ones trying to cram their fairy tales and unprovable bull**** down everyone else's throats. They're the ones trying to force everyone to follow their religion's rules despite the fact that the Constitution quite clearly establishes a separation of church and state/quote]
Absolutely uncalled for. It is against Christianity to force religion on anyone.
You don't need to be so insulting, either. You won't make Christans feel sorry, you'll just make them mad.
I find it odd, though, how many people who don't believe in God believe in Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, and ghosts.
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This doesn't seem to be an effective deterrant.
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