Me and my friend were just walking around his neighborhood (nice neighborhood) about 1 AM last night.
Two kids in a car past us, turned around and then got out of the car yelling at us saying we threw stuff at their car, we all knew we didnt, and soon their real intention were shown as they asked for our money. I didnt have any, put as soon as my friend pulled out his wallet they tackled him he got a good 4-5 punches to the face. I got one to the mouth but he got alot more damage then me.
They took my hat, and his wallet.
I mean we are only 17, and to come up to people you dont even know and beat them up, its just wrong. Im very shooken up about the whole thing.
First off, I'm sorry that happened to you. But compared to some incidents, you guys got off pretty lucky.
The reason people do that is because they're jealous of others. That sounds really cliche, but it's true. I've done things in the past (not as bad as that, but still wrong things) out of jealousy or envy, and I've lived to regret them.
And I guarantee you that they're going to do it again, and I can also guarantee you that they'll do it until they mess with the wrong person and they discover what it feels like to be the target of a crime. Or get killed.
So take heart that you're a much better person than they are. I know it doesn't seem like that right now, and it doesn't seem fair that you can't just clobber them too without going to jail, but people who do the right thing really are rewarded in the end.
Dude...people just suck. One night I was coming home from the card shop and had to pass through a bum infested park to get to the bus station. Some kids were going there to and one of them stole stuff from a sleeping bum. I was like "How low can you get?!?". Stealing from a friggin' bum? *shudder*
Sorry man, sounds like a standard setup for a robbery. Next time, run away. Never get your wallet out in front of strangers unless you're at gunpoint.
As for stealing from a bum, that's low indeed. Sure, someone else will eventlually do it, but that doesn't mean a lazy rich kid can do it without geting a nut punch from yours truly.
I can't honestly say I'm shocked by this. Getting jumped by a flock of jackass kids is a common story in my area. It seems as though some teens (and I say tens because in no report from here that I've seen ever had a suspect not be between the ages of 15 and 20) have nothing better to do than get wasted, gang beat people and steal stuff.
It happened to me when I was sixteen. There were nine of them and one of me. They didn't steal anything from me, but I spent the night in the hospital. I was the first news-worthy beating that summer (it happened in May), but not the last. Over the following five months, those nine guys jumped twelve other people. Only a few of them involved robbery, the rest were just for the hell of it. Since all the identifiable suspects were all too young, not one of them spent a second behind bars. Worse still was the fact that one of the attackers that I identified was a guy who lived directly across the street from me and all the guys hung out at his house. So it was a bit of a tense summer. I still don't like being in that neighbourhood.
From reports on the local news, it hasn't gotten much better. My old hometown (I now live about a half hour's freeway drive away) is being plagued by attacks by a group calling themselves The Wolf Pack. Which is a name so lame it hurts me. They started off with the standard jumpings but now they're up to home invasion. So I guess they're climbing the deviant totem pole.
Either way, I'm not really shocked anymore when I hear someone's been jumped. I know exactly how it feels. My advice is to take action. Even if you don't accomplish anything, it'll make you feel better. I felt better the second I stepped into the police station. And I felt better still the day a judge granted me a restraining order against three of my attackers. But I felt the best when some anonymous tips about drug deals occurring across the street from me resulted in a police raid and some arrests.
Thanks, ya in the end, karma will get them I have got a good feeling about it.
Karma doesn't exist. You can't depend on it. If you count on it for justice or catharsis, you will find that you have placed your emotions on very unstable ground; and you will either repeat your disappointment in society over and over, or you will engage in a persistent delusion to protect yourself from that feeling.
Perhaps what Ark said is a more refined account, but I say people do stuff like this because they're stupid and hateful. You have to realize that lots of people are stupid and hateful. By realizing this, you can seek a way to improve the situation (if only for yourself).
You will always be a pawn, for people like this to play with, if you dump all responsibility on a force whose existence is necessarily consistent with every event (i.e. you can't disprove its existence). You will never be anything like the master of your own life.
You must abandon your belief in karma. I implore you.
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A block away from my house, a couple was walking home from their aniversary at a bar and they got robbed. Unfortunatly, the robber had a gun and decided to use it. The man died, while the woman made it away with a trip to the hospital.
He had their money, there was no need to shoot them. It always surprises me how desperate people are for money. Its not worth a life.
Media is not making me steal. But in a way is like the story of the very hot girl with the short skirt teasing the old sick guy with a history of rape.
Not to mention, karma is not a deterrent to further crime, nor does it teach a lesson quite like a few years in the big house. Waiting for payback isn't gonna help the next guy who gets jumped.
This happened to me when I was about 10 with my three younger cousins, and the boys were about 16. They were Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh, and I mean Hiiiiiigh. We were walking home from the store and we walked past them when they were making out (of all things, too high to care where they put their lips) When they saw us they starting following us, to the next store. They tried to pick pocket me and failed, so glad I am ambidextrous so my money was not in my right pocket.
Me being the oldest I was trying to get them all home safely, which I almost did, if they hadn't backed two of them against a wall and threatened them for money. Nothing like bullying an 8 and 9 year old. I did get us all home without (much) panic, one of them looked like he had seen three ghosts, but he is still sane. So now we have 4 kids scarred for life for all of 10 dollars, 8 of which we got back from them later.
I wager people are heartless cause they have no reason to care. I mean a real reason, it being nice or its what Jesus wanted isn't a real reason.
why did your friend take out his money in front of them. you should have told them any thing, that you lost it at the arcade, you gave it to a church, anything other then take out if front of them. it sucks that you got beat up but frankly what did you expect? tell me you at least got the plate number.
at least this will be a learning experence
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A while back i was mugged on my way back to my house after fnm. i was walking slowly not paying much attention to anything, thinking about what i could have done better playing dralnu, and the guy jumps on me, throws me down, takes my wallet, and runs away.
Good thing i was really poor and i dont carry alot of money with me (i had like 10 dollars)
I would have been more hurt if he stole my cards.
All in all, in boredom, or even desperation, any human can do any idiotic thing, such as steal.
Glad to hear that you and your friend made it out ok, it could've been worse. Your friend can't blame himself, and niether can you. You guys weren't stupid, you were unprepared. The mugging was totaly the muggers taking advantage of your mistake(s).
I agree with the Hermit (long time no see man) with that you should give up on Karma.
Recently there have been a lot of fires deemed 'suspicious' around my home (I say 'around' cause in the country, your closest neighbor is about a half mile away, at least). They burned down one of our machine sheds (place to put tractors, etc) not too long ago, so we're all pretty shook up, and I now stay awake till about 1 because of it, either playing my DS or reading and jumping up at the slightest change of light/sound.
You ever strip the leaves off a tree? Tear apart a butterfly? It's a lot like that. People have ugly, destructive urges. One person in a group gets them, and that's all it takes if the rest of the group doesn't have the balls or principles to do **** about it. They'll follow just to fit in or because they don't want to get picked on or just because that's what they really want to do. They don't have real empathy but that's not even really an excuse. People are ****ing ugly and violent and love tearing **** down and ripping it apart.
Carry a gun. Everyone. Carry a goddamn gun. Seriously. Fear of consequences isn't the same thing as becoming a real human being with empathy, compassion and morals, but it's enough to keep someone from wrecking someone else's life and might just give them the time and incentive and distance to develop those things.
Or you could just blame the school system. I do that a lot too.
Buy a gun. Carry it with you when you go walking at night.
Carry a gun. Everyone. Carry a goddamn gun. Seriously. Fear of consequences isn't the same thing as becoming a real human being with empathy, compassion and morals, but it's enough to keep someone from wrecking someone else's life and might just give them the time and incentive and distance to develop those things.
Or you could just blame the school system. I do that a lot too.
Buy a gun. Carry it with you when you go walking at night.
The problem with carrying a gun is that they could take it from you and once someone starts shooting the consequences change I am all for having a gun for home defense but if you are going to go walking at night consider taking a self defense class you gain a lot more from that, self confidence learning to handle yourself, fitness, and no one has to die. anyone’s life is worth more than the money you are carrying around in your wallet.
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TIBA, it presently transpires that I am interested in what you have to say. I shall reverse my comments to the contrary (if you even recall the occasion).
They don't have real empathy but that's not even really an excuse.
Could you, clarify? I'm not following the subtext... in what way is not having empathy almost an excuse? That is, what is it you were expecting some people to think, which would lead them to figure the apathy is an excuse, but which you mean to reveal as poor reasoning?
Damn, is it just me, or is there no good way of formulating that question?
Carry a gun. Everyone. Carry a goddamn gun. Seriously. Fear of consequences isn't the same thing as becoming a real human being with empathy, compassion and morals, but it's enough to keep someone from wrecking someone else's life and might just give them the time and incentive and distance to develop those things.
I had to fill in a lot of holes to read this. My guess is, one should wield a gun, and threaten to use it in these scenarios. Then, thugs may back off, and even though it will be for fear rather than empathy, it matters that you are delaying... the life-wrecking, and giving the thugs the chance to develop empathy before their lives are stained with a criminal act (caught or otherwise). Is that what you meant?
Buy a gun. Carry it with you when you go walking at night.
Well, aside from that I live in Canada, I don't think "packing heat" helps anybody. I'd be dead scared to have that kind of power in my pocket. Dead scared. The terror of killing someone unnecessarily would paralyze me.
Furthermore, I would be mortified if an unarmed opponent found the gun on my person, wrestled it from me, and used it successfully. I could not live with the guilt of the decision to carry the gun. I would be absolutely unable to diffract the blame anyplace other than my head - my foolishness, my cowardice.
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We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
But is carrying a gun worse than getting beaten up for your wallet? I wppuld honestly rather shoot some degenerate than get mugged.
So you value the money in your wallet over the life of someone else? Ironically the "thugs" value the money in your wallet over your life. Oh well at least things are equal.
But is carrying a gun worse than getting beaten up for your wallet? I wppuld honestly rather shoot some degenerate than get mugged.
Pain, loss of cash - finite sufferings. Hell, they could get my SI card, none of that would compare to the loss of life.
I get the feeling you're using the word 'degenerate' hatefully. Please don't think of human beings that way. Morally addled creatures are to be pitied - healed, if you know how (though unfortunately, I'm quite sure you're just like all of us, in that you don't).
Yes I called the same people stupid and hateful. That doesn't mean I hate them. I pity them for their stupidity and hate, and I take measures to protect myself from both. But in the capacity I have for it, compromised by ASD, I weep their ineptitude.
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I didn't say kill, I said shoot, I think getting a bullet in the arm / leg/ can-be-treated-chest will teach him the lesson. But i wouldn't mind killing him either, I valuee myself over generic mugger. Which isn't to say that I support vigilanteeism, but if it's get my expensive orthodontia messed up and or / suffer more pain vs. injuring some guy with no future, geuss which I pick.
Also, when was the last time you saw a mugger do something positive? I think that they don't deserve my money, i don't deserve to get beat up for my money, and if they get injured to prevent those, so be it.
It should be noted that I actually don't own a gun, and lack the resources to acquire one fore a couple of years. But anyway, I'm vieewing this as entirely hypothetical, how about you? As in, if I had a gun, and some guy tried to mug me.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Escalation.. If you carry guns, the muggers will too. And where will that leave everyone?
In essense, where we are now, only I think the attempted victems are better off. If there are a lot of robbery related murders, the police are going to take them a lot more seriously than before. Armed robbery is more serious than petty larceny, and more likely to get police attention. Also, the guns don't need to be fired. If the thief has any brains, he won't actually shoot, but use it to get thee money w/o firing. The attempted victem can use their gun as a deterrant, and probably nobody will get shot.
If you want to get into escalation, then so will I. Most important countries have nuclear weapons. Have any of them been used since the first 2? No, the threat of "if you fire on us, you'll get owned too" works, and nuclear weapons aren't used.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Two kids in a car past us, turned around and then got out of the car yelling at us saying we threw stuff at their car, we all knew we didnt, and soon their real intention were shown as they asked for our money. I didnt have any, put as soon as my friend pulled out his wallet they tackled him he got a good 4-5 punches to the face. I got one to the mouth but he got alot more damage then me.
They took my hat, and his wallet.
I mean we are only 17, and to come up to people you dont even know and beat them up, its just wrong. Im very shooken up about the whole thing.
Why are people so heartless?
The reason people do that is because they're jealous of others. That sounds really cliche, but it's true. I've done things in the past (not as bad as that, but still wrong things) out of jealousy or envy, and I've lived to regret them.
And I guarantee you that they're going to do it again, and I can also guarantee you that they'll do it until they mess with the wrong person and they discover what it feels like to be the target of a crime. Or get killed.
So take heart that you're a much better person than they are. I know it doesn't seem like that right now, and it doesn't seem fair that you can't just clobber them too without going to jail, but people who do the right thing really are rewarded in the end.
As for stealing from a bum, that's low indeed. Sure, someone else will eventlually do it, but that doesn't mean a lazy rich kid can do it without geting a nut punch from yours truly.
It happened to me when I was sixteen. There were nine of them and one of me. They didn't steal anything from me, but I spent the night in the hospital. I was the first news-worthy beating that summer (it happened in May), but not the last. Over the following five months, those nine guys jumped twelve other people. Only a few of them involved robbery, the rest were just for the hell of it. Since all the identifiable suspects were all too young, not one of them spent a second behind bars. Worse still was the fact that one of the attackers that I identified was a guy who lived directly across the street from me and all the guys hung out at his house. So it was a bit of a tense summer. I still don't like being in that neighbourhood.
From reports on the local news, it hasn't gotten much better. My old hometown (I now live about a half hour's freeway drive away) is being plagued by attacks by a group calling themselves The Wolf Pack. Which is a name so lame it hurts me. They started off with the standard jumpings but now they're up to home invasion. So I guess they're climbing the deviant totem pole.
Either way, I'm not really shocked anymore when I hear someone's been jumped. I know exactly how it feels. My advice is to take action. Even if you don't accomplish anything, it'll make you feel better. I felt better the second I stepped into the police station. And I felt better still the day a judge granted me a restraining order against three of my attackers. But I felt the best when some anonymous tips about drug deals occurring across the street from me resulted in a police raid and some arrests.
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Barring that, run like hell. If they're drunk, you've only got to get a few hundred meters.
Karma doesn't exist. You can't depend on it. If you count on it for justice or catharsis, you will find that you have placed your emotions on very unstable ground; and you will either repeat your disappointment in society over and over, or you will engage in a persistent delusion to protect yourself from that feeling.
Perhaps what Ark said is a more refined account, but I say people do stuff like this because they're stupid and hateful. You have to realize that lots of people are stupid and hateful. By realizing this, you can seek a way to improve the situation (if only for yourself).
You will always be a pawn, for people like this to play with, if you dump all responsibility on a force whose existence is necessarily consistent with every event (i.e. you can't disprove its existence). You will never be anything like the master of your own life.
You must abandon your belief in karma. I implore you.
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He had their money, there was no need to shoot them. It always surprises me how desperate people are for money. Its not worth a life.
Me being the oldest I was trying to get them all home safely, which I almost did, if they hadn't backed two of them against a wall and threatened them for money. Nothing like bullying an 8 and 9 year old. I did get us all home without (much) panic, one of them looked like he had seen three ghosts, but he is still sane. So now we have 4 kids scarred for life for all of 10 dollars, 8 of which we got back from them later.
I wager people are heartless cause they have no reason to care. I mean a real reason, it being nice or its what Jesus wanted isn't a real reason.
Control is the ultimate expression of power.
at least this will be a learning experence
A while back i was mugged on my way back to my house after fnm. i was walking slowly not paying much attention to anything, thinking about what i could have done better playing dralnu, and the guy jumps on me, throws me down, takes my wallet, and runs away.
Good thing i was really poor and i dont carry alot of money with me (i had like 10 dollars)
I would have been more hurt if he stole my cards.
All in all, in boredom, or even desperation, any human can do any idiotic thing, such as steal.
. . . unless you suffer massive brain damage.
. . . or you're dead.
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Recently there have been a lot of fires deemed 'suspicious' around my home (I say 'around' cause in the country, your closest neighbor is about a half mile away, at least). They burned down one of our machine sheds (place to put tractors, etc) not too long ago, so we're all pretty shook up, and I now stay awake till about 1 because of it, either playing my DS or reading and jumping up at the slightest change of light/sound.
Carry a gun. Everyone. Carry a goddamn gun. Seriously. Fear of consequences isn't the same thing as becoming a real human being with empathy, compassion and morals, but it's enough to keep someone from wrecking someone else's life and might just give them the time and incentive and distance to develop those things.
Or you could just blame the school system. I do that a lot too.
Buy a gun. Carry it with you when you go walking at night.
The problem with carrying a gun is that they could take it from you and once someone starts shooting the consequences change I am all for having a gun for home defense but if you are going to go walking at night consider taking a self defense class you gain a lot more from that, self confidence learning to handle yourself, fitness, and no one has to die. anyone’s life is worth more than the money you are carrying around in your wallet.
Could you, clarify? I'm not following the subtext... in what way is not having empathy almost an excuse? That is, what is it you were expecting some people to think, which would lead them to figure the apathy is an excuse, but which you mean to reveal as poor reasoning?
Damn, is it just me, or is there no good way of formulating that question?
I had to fill in a lot of holes to read this. My guess is, one should wield a gun, and threaten to use it in these scenarios. Then, thugs may back off, and even though it will be for fear rather than empathy, it matters that you are delaying... the life-wrecking, and giving the thugs the chance to develop empathy before their lives are stained with a criminal act (caught or otherwise). Is that what you meant?
Well, aside from that I live in Canada, I don't think "packing heat" helps anybody. I'd be dead scared to have that kind of power in my pocket. Dead scared. The terror of killing someone unnecessarily would paralyze me.
Furthermore, I would be mortified if an unarmed opponent found the gun on my person, wrestled it from me, and used it successfully. I could not live with the guilt of the decision to carry the gun. I would be absolutely unable to diffract the blame anyplace other than my head - my foolishness, my cowardice.
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So you value the money in your wallet over the life of someone else? Ironically the "thugs" value the money in your wallet over your life. Oh well at least things are equal.
Control is the ultimate expression of power.
Pain, loss of cash - finite sufferings. Hell, they could get my SI card, none of that would compare to the loss of life.
I get the feeling you're using the word 'degenerate' hatefully. Please don't think of human beings that way. Morally addled creatures are to be pitied - healed, if you know how (though unfortunately, I'm quite sure you're just like all of us, in that you don't).
Yes I called the same people stupid and hateful. That doesn't mean I hate them. I pity them for their stupidity and hate, and I take measures to protect myself from both. But in the capacity I have for it, compromised by ASD, I weep their ineptitude.
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Also, when was the last time you saw a mugger do something positive? I think that they don't deserve my money, i don't deserve to get beat up for my money, and if they get injured to prevent those, so be it.
It should be noted that I actually don't own a gun, and lack the resources to acquire one fore a couple of years. But anyway, I'm vieewing this as entirely hypothetical, how about you? As in, if I had a gun, and some guy tried to mug me.
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Control is the ultimate expression of power.
In essense, where we are now, only I think the attempted victems are better off. If there are a lot of robbery related murders, the police are going to take them a lot more seriously than before. Armed robbery is more serious than petty larceny, and more likely to get police attention. Also, the guns don't need to be fired. If the thief has any brains, he won't actually shoot, but use it to get thee money w/o firing. The attempted victem can use their gun as a deterrant, and probably nobody will get shot.
If you want to get into escalation, then so will I. Most important countries have nuclear weapons. Have any of them been used since the first 2? No, the threat of "if you fire on us, you'll get owned too" works, and nuclear weapons aren't used.
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