So I'm Jewish and my son goes to a public school. They have a field trip coming up to the Magic House, a local thing here in St. Louis that is educational for children. I thought it was great that they would get to go. I can't take him very often because it's kind of expensive. Anyway, it turned out that part of the field trip was going to include story time with Mrs. Claus. My wife found this a little objectionable and told the school how she felt. They provided her with a full itinerary which, it turned out, will include a surprise visit from Santa and a chance for the kids to sit on Santa's lap and tell them what they want for . . . what's that one holiday? The one that comes close to Hannukah?
Anyway, we were pretty upset and complained to the superintendant and pretty much anyone else we could get on the phone. The school and the district got defensive. I just talked to the principle. I told her that we would let it slide this time, but that in the future I expected them to be a little more respectful. She said that if we objected he could stay at school with another class while his class went to the Magic House. I told her that singling him out and excluding him like that because of our religion was really unfair. I told his teacher to find something else for him to do while the Santa thing is going on and she said she would.
I was a little shocked by the school's lack of understanding. The commercialization of Christmas has made it hard for us who don't celebrate it to escape it, and the insensitivity of the school was a real kick in the nuts.
Has anyone else been through this? Do any of you have any advice? I feel like if I don't want to have another religion's holidays basically forced on my son I'll have to send him to Hebrew school or something and I really don't want that. He's as American as anyone else. Our family has been here since colonial times and I want him to feel like he's as much a part of this society as his Christian peers.
So I'm Jewish and my son goes to a public school. They have a field trip coming up to the Magic House, a local thing here in St. Louis that is educational for children. I thought it was great that they would get to go. I can't take him very often because it's kind of expensive. Anyway, it turned out that part of the field trip was going to include story time with Mrs. Claus. My wife found this a little objectionable and told the school how she felt. They provided her with a full itinerary which, it turned out, will include a surprise visit from Santa and a chance for the kids to sit on Santa's lap and tell them what they want for . . . what's that one holiday? The one that comes close to Hannukah?
Anyway, we were pretty upset and complained to the superintendant and pretty much anyone else we could get on the phone. The school and the district got defensive. I just talked to the principle. I told her that we would let it slide this time, but that in the future I expected them to be a little more respectful. She said that if we objected he could stay at school with another class while his class went to the Magic House. I told her that singling him out and excluding him like that because of our religion was really unfair. I told his teacher to find something else for him to do while the Santa thing is going on and she said she would.
I was a little shocked by the school's lack of understanding. The commercialization of Christmas has made it hard for us who don't celebrate it to escape it, and the insensitivity of the school was a real kick in the nuts.
Has anyone else been through this? Do any of you have any advice? I feel like if I don't want to have another religion's holidays basically forced on my son I'll have to send him to Hebrew school or something and I really don't want that. He's as American as anyone else. Our family has been here since colonial times and I want him to feel like he's as much a part of this society as his Christian peers.
so your basicly singling your son out because of something that isn't reall christian? you do realize your setting your son up to be laughed at right? I mean, its not like christmas is for just christians here in America anymore, and besides, if you want your son to be a smart man when he grows up, you have to let him learn about other cultures, which would also mean, surprise, a visit from santa!
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Nothing for nothing but this attitude you have for this*Not saying your negative* is felt by many others and thus have destroyed MOST of what kids now get to enjoy and do during school extras from when I was a kid. But I agree on what Bad Man says on the experience of different cultures. BUT also on the same coin the others should experience your side too. BUT instead the world just Blocks out the cultures and hides the children's eyes. Besides.. the kids only care about one thing of XMAS. GIFTS!
HELL I'm Wiccan and I don't get pissy at this stuff. I accept peoples beliefs and recognize there is a deeper meaning that comes beyond borders of beliefs. SO express those feelings but push for equal treatment so everyone can see others views... I am so tired of the censorship in this world.
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I'm not sure by you singling him out by having him doing something else while the rest of the class is doing santa is really any better for him then allowing him to go to the Santa thing. I'm not a cristian, nor am I even relgious, I'm agnostic, but I still celebrate christmas. I think of it as more of away to enjoy some good times with my family and friends. We get together, exchange gifts, eat till we are full and set around and enjoy each others company. If it is a story from Mrs.Claus and a visit from Santa, it's not like it's a religous story. It's going to be something cute about reindeers and elfs in a workshop. I know jewish people have hannukuh, and then there is Quanza(I know that isn't spelled right, but it's close I think), and then you have the Winter Solstice, etc, etc, everyone has thier own holidays this time of year. As long as your son knows you don't celebrate Christmas, and understands the reasons why then I'm not sure there is really much harm in it. I'm sure if his school is anything like school when I was in it, the less he is removed from the normal class flow the better things will be on him. If he starts getting special exceptions and such then the more the other kids will singling him out.
Personally as a non-religous person I think people have taken the PC thing a little far on alot of things, if people just understood that everyone might celebrate in different ways then I think things would work smoother then everyone having to walk on egg-shells all the time. At my work we haven't been able to say Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year in several years now, we now have to say Happy Holidays, if we wish to express things like that to our co-workers because someone a few years back was offeneded by someone wishing them a Merry Christmas.
Plus on another note, Christmas is the winter holiday celebrated by the majority of the US population, and being a public school they cater to the majority of the population. If Hannukuh was the most celebrated winter holiday then public schools would cater to Hannukuh. Public schools arent like private schools, in private schools they are picked by the parents depending on certin criteria, like you said a hebrew school.
Heh... We had an Anti PC protest sorta at my job and other places or work with friends. We refused to say Happy Holidays. We said Merry Xmas and Happy New Year. If someone said they didnt celebrate xmas but celebrated something else we corrected ourselves. Someone did ask Why dont we say Happy Holidays. Reason: Cause being PC now has become in insult on people themselves. There are things to be PC about and things to NOT be PC about. being Nice to people Naturally doesnt need to be PCed....
Soon you wont be able to say Him or Her in fear of people hitting the wrong gender....
I don't know why you don't just sent him to Hebrew School. When I was a kid I knew Santa Clause wasn't real, however I didn't want to ruin the fun. As a kid Santa wasn't for me and I was OK with that, I loved and still love Hanukkah I got new video games and my family got together and played laughed and spent time. Let your son sit on Santa's lap if he wants and tell him what he wants for Christmas. If you raise him to be Jewish (celebrate Shabbat, Purim, Hanukkah etc.) he will grow to identify himself as a Jew and take pride in it. Most of my best friends go to Hebrew School and USY with me.
Also on an aside, make him join Kadima/USY it's the best thing that will happen to him, if your Conservative that is.
Soon you wont be able to say Him or Her in fear of people hitting the wrong gender....
That won't happen until the English language gets with the program and comes up with a genderless third person singular pronoun (which would be very useful outside of PC-ness, btw).
That won't happen until the English language gets with the program and comes up with a genderless third person singular pronoun (which would be very useful outside of PC-ness, btw).
how? what is your reasoning with this? i know for a damn fact that spanish uses male and female to identify objects. ALL langauges have different problems, not just english.
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That won't happen until the English language gets with the program and comes up with a genderless third person singular pronoun (which would be very useful outside of PC-ness, btw).
I just use "their" or "they" in place of "his or her", which I've always thought was unwiedly. "It" also works, although people seem to like that one less for some reason. Also, it seems most other languages just stick with assigning things as generically male or generically female, depending on the subject, so English could be seen as one of the most "progressive" languages.
My wife found this a little objectionable and told the school how she felt. They provided her with a full itinerary which, it turned out, will include a surprise visit from Santa and a chance for the kids to sit on Santa's lap and tell them what they want for . . . what's that one holiday? The one that comes close to Hannukah?
You're over-reacting, for reasons previously stated. Just let the other kids get jealous when your kid gets better gifts for his holiday than they got for theirs.
You're over-reacting, for reasons previously stated. Just let the other kids get jealous when your kid gets better gifts for his holiday than they got for theirs.
This. Also, you forget that while christians get one day of gift exchanging, the jewish religion has 8 days [/obv racism but its humorous]
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so your basicly singling your son out because of something that isn't reall christian? you do realize your setting your son up to be laughed at right? I mean, its not like christmas is for just christians here in America anymore, and besides, if you want your son to be a smart man when he grows up, you have to let him learn about other cultures, which would also mean, surprise, a visit from santa!
if the school wants to teach the history of Saint Nicolas and the origins of Christianity I'm cool with it. That would be culture. If you want to celebrate Christmas while not being a Christian have fun. I don't want to celebrate Christmas and I don't think the school should have a say in that. And if you were paying attention to my post at all you would know that I would like for this to happen in a way that doesn't involve singling him out.
Nothing for nothing but this attitude you have for this*Not saying your negative* is felt by many others and thus have destroyed MOST of what kids now get to enjoy and do during school extras from when I was a kid. But I agree on what Bad Man says on the experience of different cultures. BUT also on the same coin the others should experience your side too. BUT instead the world just Blocks out the cultures and hides the children's eyes. Besides.. the kids only care about one thing of XMAS. GIFTS!
Just because other people want to force their holdays on my family doesn't mean I'm interested in forcing mine on theirs. I'm in Missouri, in answer to your question about NJ.
Plus on another note, Christmas is the winter holiday celebrated by the majority of the US population, and being a public school they cater to the majority of the population. If Hannukuh was the most celebrated winter holiday then public schools would cater to Hannukuh. Public schools arent like private schools, in private schools they are picked by the parents depending on certin criteria, like you said a hebrew school.
So you've taken a poll of the religions of families in South St. Louis? We're pretty eclectic here. I think the school should serve the community that's actually here, which in our case includes a lot of Muslims and Budhists.
I don't know why you don't just sent him to Hebrew School.
Yep, we can be comfortable in our own schools. Maybe we should have our own water fountains and restrooms, too.
Yep, we can be comfortable in our own schools. Maybe we should have our own water fountains and restrooms, too.
the way your acting, it might be for the best. I mean seriously i don't know why, but either your trying to be like kyles mom from south park (sans the whole kyle's mom song) or you are serious, and if your serious, then thats worse because it seems like you are very arogant and need to learn how to chill.
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the way your acting, it might be for the best. I mean seriously i don't know why, but either your trying to be like kyles mom from south park (sans the whole kyle's mom song) or you are serious, and if your serious, then thats worse because it seems like you are very arogant and need to learn how to chill.
I'm trying to practice my own religion without having the traditions of another forced on my child. Nothing more and nothing less.
Santa Claus is St. Nicholas. You know, a Catholic saint. Xmas is 100% a religious holiday and I can understand why someone who's Jewish wouldn't want to have it imposed on them.
I'm trying to practice my own religion without having the traditions of another forced on my child. Nothing more and nothing less.
Thats the samething white surpremist say :rolleyes:. might as well not play magic since it goes into other religions mythologies and such. And so what if he was based on a catholic saint? its not like hes going 'jesus is the one and only' but more of a general 'be good and be rewarded, be bad and be punished' which, BTW the Jewish religion does have, since christiany is Judism 2.0 if you think hard about it. Teach your son whats different about your religions beliefs and holidays and christianity, and history and such and you should be good. like i said, its not like santa teaches children that jesus is the only way.
and darkangel, religion is where holidays came from. i don't think 'flag day' came before 'wiccans summertime fun sunworship' or whatever they celebrate in summer
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Dude, you are taking this too seriously. It's a school field trip with a short involvement with Santa. I never believed in Santa and was raised completely a-religiously. Like, I've been in a house of worship 3 times in my life. I'm not offended by Santa whatsoever. I knew there was no Santa-did the fact that my 95% WASP elementary school had posters of santa and a janitor who dressed up and said "ho ho ho" screw me up? NO!
Seriously, this should be a non-issue. And excluding your son will -> problems. We laughed at the kid who's parents didn't let him have some sex-ed in middle school so much.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
I'm a Christian, and I don't believe in Santa Claus. As you said it's a commercialization of Christmas and quite honestly, has no bearing on the truth of Christmas. I also, am offended by Santa Claus, because it takes away the true meaning of Christmas. Now we're both offended by the same thing, but for different reasons. I did some research and found that St. Nicholas was actually a person that gave generously to underprivileged families. Great roots. However what it turned into was a deceiving fat man whose name is an anagram of Satan (move the N to make Santa). Santa Claus has no real meaning or bearing on the holiday, it's mainly a distraction. So quite honestly, I don't think that you should be upset about the fact that you're kid is going to see another religion's icon, however that you're kid is going to see a fictional, wasteful, holiday icon. Quite honestly, Santa Claus as it's character is today, has no Christian meaning. It's just stemmed from St. Nick.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Santa is a particularly inappropriate symbol because it is so commercialized. In my ongoing discussion with the superintendent's office they explained to me that they do not teach about religious aspects of holidays but do go into what they consider secular symbols. In effect, they can teach about Santa but not about the generosity of St. Nicolas or the teachings of Jesus. They can teach about Hannukah, but not about the struggle of the Macabees or the miracle of the lights. It's worse than teaching a religion, it's reducing religion to the lowest common denominator. Truly depressing.
Thats the samething white surpremist say :rolleyes:.
Straw man, false comparison, and deplorable spelling, all in one sentence:smileup:
might as well not play magic since it goes into other religions mythologies and such.
I don't think it would go over if schools required kids to play Magic.
its not like hes going 'jesus is the one and only' but more of a general 'be good and be rewarded, be bad and be punished' which, BTW the Jewish religion does have, since christiany is Judism 2.0 if you think hard about it.
No. He's sitting on some strangers lap talkign about getting gifts for Christmas.
Teach your son whats different about your religions beliefs and holidays and christianity, and history and such and you should be good. like i said, its not like santa teaches children that jesus is the only way.
And Simcat Torah doesn't necessarily imply that Judaism is the only way. The difference is I'm not trying to force other people's children to celebrate it.
Firstly, I don't believe children should be bothered with religion until they are old enough to understand enough about themselves, the world, and life in general to make an informed and rational decision about which faith, if any, they wish to practice.
More and more kids are growing up with a (for lack of a better term) half-assed religious upbringing in which they believe something simply because "they were raised [enter religion]." This blind following, in my opinion, is nothing more than indoctrination, and I feel you're only setting your son up for this. Then again, as someone who was raised Catholic only to turn agnostic once I grew up, I'm sure I'm as much biased away from religion as you must be for it.
I'm trying to practice my own religion without having the traditions of another forced on my child. Nothing more and nothing less.
You are already forcing a religion on your child. Being told a Christmas story, one involving little if any actual Christian overtones, is far more innocent in the realm of "focing" things on your child then you wishing them to detour from the trip and do something more akin to your own religion alone.
Christmas is also not a Christian holiday due to its overcommericialization. If someone was heavily Christian and celebrated a very spiritual Christmas, then I could see you not wishing your son to be exposed to such a celebration (though, again, wouldn't agree). Some red and gree lights, however, won't comdemn your son to hell.
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And Simcat Torah doesn't necessarily imply that Judaism is the only way. The difference is I'm not trying to force other people's children to celebrate it.
yes, because a gun is put up to your childs head saying 'sit on this strangers lap or i shall murder you on this spot in front of the other good children'
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I agree with your decision, Ratmage. While the holiday isn't evil of itself, we do live in a mixed society and it's wrong for a public school to default to pressing any religion on the students. Christmas should never have become a national holiday (though that does open up the argument that Christmas as the US celebrates it is a secular holiday).
It's unfortunate, but your children are doomed to be singled out as long as they hold different beliefs, and I'd say it's for the best that it starts now. Slowly, yes, so it's good that he's going on the rest of the trip, but it needs to happen so he can grow accustomed to it.
That won't happen until the English language gets with the program and comes up with a genderless third person singular pronoun (which would be very useful outside of PC-ness, btw).
One wonders when one will see the singular, genderless pronouns already present in the language enter common use.
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My anecdotal evidence disagrees with yours! EXPLAIN THAT!
You are already forcing a religion on your child. Being told a Christmas story, one involving little if any actual Christian overtones, is far more innocent in the realm of "focing" things on your child then you wishing them to detour from the trip and do something more akin to your own religion alone.
I am his father. Teaching him my values is part of my repsonsibility. I don't require that the school acknowledge my religion in any way. I just expect them to show basic respect for my beliefs.
yes, because a gun is put up to your childs head saying 'sit on this strangers lap or i shall murder you on this spot in front of the other good children'
I believe the original poster is making more of a problem out of this that it really is. Being Jewish myself, I have no problem having my kids meet Santa, take pictures, ask for presents, etc. The OP is taking his religion way too seriously and needs to lighten up.
I told her that singling him out and excluding him like that because of our religion was really unfair.
If you think its unfair, don't single him out. Have him take a picture with the nice man with a red hat and a fake beard. Take it easy, and happy holidays!
I am his father. Teaching him my values is part of my repsonsibility. I don't require that the school acknowledge my religion in any way. I just expect them to show basic respect for my beliefs.
Do you actually have an argument?
no, just pointing how how you think he was being forced, when i show it could be worse.
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If you think its unfair, don't single him out. Have him take a picture with the nice man with a red hat and a fake beard. Take it easy, and happy holidays!
Sensible advice and I thank you for it. There hasn't been much of that on this thread. A big part of my concern is that because of the way this is being done, I won't have the opportunity to be present when it happens. The way the school sprung it on us does not make me feel overly trusting that they will handle things appropriately. And of course I have a basic distrust of anyone who dresses up in a costume and invites children to sit in his lap:sweat:
no, just pointing how how you think he was being forced, when i show it could be worse.
The Holocaust could have been worse. What's your point?
I am his father. Teaching him my values is part of my repsonsibility. I don't require that the school acknowledge my religion in any way. I just expect them to show basic respect for my beliefs.
Did they know ahead of time what your religion view on the issue were?
When they found out did they give you an option to opt your kid out of the activity?
If the school gave you the option to opt your kid out of an activity that your religion does not agree with then they have shown a basic respect for your beliefs.
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Anyway, we were pretty upset and complained to the superintendant and pretty much anyone else we could get on the phone. The school and the district got defensive. I just talked to the principle. I told her that we would let it slide this time, but that in the future I expected them to be a little more respectful. She said that if we objected he could stay at school with another class while his class went to the Magic House. I told her that singling him out and excluding him like that because of our religion was really unfair. I told his teacher to find something else for him to do while the Santa thing is going on and she said she would.
I was a little shocked by the school's lack of understanding. The commercialization of Christmas has made it hard for us who don't celebrate it to escape it, and the insensitivity of the school was a real kick in the nuts.
Has anyone else been through this? Do any of you have any advice? I feel like if I don't want to have another religion's holidays basically forced on my son I'll have to send him to Hebrew school or something and I really don't want that. He's as American as anyone else. Our family has been here since colonial times and I want him to feel like he's as much a part of this society as his Christian peers.
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so your basicly singling your son out because of something that isn't reall christian? you do realize your setting your son up to be laughed at right? I mean, its not like christmas is for just christians here in America anymore, and besides, if you want your son to be a smart man when he grows up, you have to let him learn about other cultures, which would also mean, surprise, a visit from santa!
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HELL I'm Wiccan and I don't get pissy at this stuff. I accept peoples beliefs and recognize there is a deeper meaning that comes beyond borders of beliefs. SO express those feelings but push for equal treatment so everyone can see others views... I am so tired of the censorship in this world.
EDITS: Are you NJ? That place sounds familiar to me...
Personally as a non-religous person I think people have taken the PC thing a little far on alot of things, if people just understood that everyone might celebrate in different ways then I think things would work smoother then everyone having to walk on egg-shells all the time. At my work we haven't been able to say Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year in several years now, we now have to say Happy Holidays, if we wish to express things like that to our co-workers because someone a few years back was offeneded by someone wishing them a Merry Christmas.
Plus on another note, Christmas is the winter holiday celebrated by the majority of the US population, and being a public school they cater to the majority of the population. If Hannukuh was the most celebrated winter holiday then public schools would cater to Hannukuh. Public schools arent like private schools, in private schools they are picked by the parents depending on certin criteria, like you said a hebrew school.
Soon you wont be able to say Him or Her in fear of people hitting the wrong gender....
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That won't happen until the English language gets with the program and comes up with a genderless third person singular pronoun (which would be very useful outside of PC-ness, btw).
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how? what is your reasoning with this? i know for a damn fact that spanish uses male and female to identify objects. ALL langauges have different problems, not just english.
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I just use "their" or "they" in place of "his or her", which I've always thought was unwiedly. "It" also works, although people seem to like that one less for some reason. Also, it seems most other languages just stick with assigning things as generically male or generically female, depending on the subject, so English could be seen as one of the most "progressive" languages.
You're over-reacting, for reasons previously stated. Just let the other kids get jealous when your kid gets better gifts for his holiday than they got for theirs.
This. Also, you forget that while christians get one day of gift exchanging, the jewish religion has 8 days [/obv racism but its humorous]
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Just because other people want to force their holdays on my family doesn't mean I'm interested in forcing mine on theirs. I'm in Missouri, in answer to your question about NJ.
So you've taken a poll of the religions of families in South St. Louis? We're pretty eclectic here. I think the school should serve the community that's actually here, which in our case includes a lot of Muslims and Budhists.
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Your synagogue doesn't offer a Hebrew School? Not necessarily a replacement for public school.
the way your acting, it might be for the best. I mean seriously i don't know why, but either your trying to be like kyles mom from south park (sans the whole kyle's mom song) or you are serious, and if your serious, then thats worse because it seems like you are very arogant and need to learn how to chill.
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Thats the samething white surpremist say :rolleyes:. might as well not play magic since it goes into other religions mythologies and such. And so what if he was based on a catholic saint? its not like hes going 'jesus is the one and only' but more of a general 'be good and be rewarded, be bad and be punished' which, BTW the Jewish religion does have, since christiany is Judism 2.0 if you think hard about it. Teach your son whats different about your religions beliefs and holidays and christianity, and history and such and you should be good. like i said, its not like santa teaches children that jesus is the only way.
and darkangel, religion is where holidays came from. i don't think 'flag day' came before 'wiccans summertime fun sunworship' or whatever they celebrate in summer
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Seriously, this should be a non-issue. And excluding your son will -> problems. We laughed at the kid who's parents didn't let him have some sex-ed in middle school so much.
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Straw man, false comparison, and deplorable spelling, all in one sentence:smileup:
I don't think it would go over if schools required kids to play Magic.
No. He's sitting on some strangers lap talkign about getting gifts for Christmas.
And Simcat Torah doesn't necessarily imply that Judaism is the only way. The difference is I'm not trying to force other people's children to celebrate it.
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More and more kids are growing up with a (for lack of a better term) half-assed religious upbringing in which they believe something simply because "they were raised [enter religion]." This blind following, in my opinion, is nothing more than indoctrination, and I feel you're only setting your son up for this. Then again, as someone who was raised Catholic only to turn agnostic once I grew up, I'm sure I'm as much biased away from religion as you must be for it.
You are already forcing a religion on your child. Being told a Christmas story, one involving little if any actual Christian overtones, is far more innocent in the realm of "focing" things on your child then you wishing them to detour from the trip and do something more akin to your own religion alone.
Christmas is also not a Christian holiday due to its overcommericialization. If someone was heavily Christian and celebrated a very spiritual Christmas, then I could see you not wishing your son to be exposed to such a celebration (though, again, wouldn't agree). Some red and gree lights, however, won't comdemn your son to hell.
Though I'll put it in a small font.
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yes, because a gun is put up to your childs head saying 'sit on this strangers lap or i shall murder you on this spot in front of the other good children'
also, there are worse things in this world then my spelling and grammer.
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It's unfortunate, but your children are doomed to be singled out as long as they hold different beliefs, and I'd say it's for the best that it starts now. Slowly, yes, so it's good that he's going on the rest of the trip, but it needs to happen so he can grow accustomed to it.
Off-topic: One wonders when one will see the singular, genderless pronouns already present in the language enter common use.
You are already forcing a religion on your child. Being told a Christmas story, one involving little if any actual Christian overtones, is far more innocent in the realm of "focing" things on your child then you wishing them to detour from the trip and do something more akin to your own religion alone.
I am his father. Teaching him my values is part of my repsonsibility. I don't require that the school acknowledge my religion in any way. I just expect them to show basic respect for my beliefs.
Do you actually have an argument?
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If you think its unfair, don't single him out. Have him take a picture with the nice man with a red hat and a fake beard. Take it easy, and happy holidays!
no, just pointing how how you think he was being forced, when i show it could be worse.
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The Holocaust could have been worse. What's your point?
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Did they know ahead of time what your religion view on the issue were?
When they found out did they give you an option to opt your kid out of the activity?
If the school gave you the option to opt your kid out of an activity that your religion does not agree with then they have shown a basic respect for your beliefs.