@ paul: Everyone has a limit as to how much they can ignore. My limit has been reached and passed, so now I'm acting. Otherwise your advice is sound.
Thank you. I am 30 and was the kid you speak of 15 years ago, although I didn't have facebook. I had friends who got involved and told my parents though. I am glad they did. However, sometimes you just have to let people make their own mistakes, if for nothing else than they will try to drag you down as well...I promise, your hair line will thank you.
Also, you shouldn't judge people. We are only human. I am obv. not a Christian, but I do appreciate the sense of "we are all in this together" that I get from the many Christians I work with on a day-to-day (I work for a Food Bank, so there are a lot).
Judge not, lest ye be judged...
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....etc,etc
Trout, your link was amazing. I have seen the error of my ways.
@ paul: Some people I am judging, yes. Those are the ones I don't know, and have no other basis with which to go off of. And needless to be say I've been judged an endless amount of times on here (haven't we all, though?). I also don't understand the "cast the first stone" bible reference, but I might. Ok, I'm confused now.
Trout, your link was amazing. I have seen the error of my ways.
@ paul: Some people I am judging, yes. Those are the ones I don't know, and have no other basis with which to go off of. And needless to be say I've been judged an endless amount of times on here (haven't we all, though?). I also don't understand the "cast the first stone" bible reference, but I might. Ok, I'm confused now.
Two wrongs don't make a right; regarding judgment.
I don't remember the exact story, but one time in the Bible, Jesus came to some who was going to be stoned to death. In order to protect the person from being stoned, Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No one threw a rock because they couldn't. Hence, we are all sinners, whatever that means to you.
the big religions have been forced on many people throughout history. Somtimes through war and sometimes through tacit accpetance. I do not ascribe to any of it, but they are sure neat stories.
And I can't help but me reminded of colonizers and their idea of the white mans burden as if they were helping those africans.
Isn't this always how propaganda works when anyone is trying to establish any assertion of superiority?
Did you know, for instance, that there was slavery in Australia? Yeah, the aboriginals were treated awfully by the Australian government. In the past decade or so, they declared a holiday for the day that tey abolished slavery, the prime minister apologized, and aboriginals get cheaper housing, more welfare/gov't assistance. Not to say that it makes up for anything, but it helps.
I could get behind that
@ kpaca, nice picture of RZA
Two wrongs don't make a right; regarding judgment.
I don't remember the exact story, but one time in the Bible, Jesus came to some who was going to be stoned to death. In order to protect the person from being stoned, Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No one threw a rock because they couldn't. Hence, we are all sinners, whatever that means to you.
the big religions have been forced on many people throughout history. Somtimes through war and sometimes through tacit accpetance. I do not ascribe to any of it, but they are sure neat stories.
Ah, I get it now. It makes sense, in a way. Like... We're all guilty of something. Yeah.
Ah, I get it now. It makes sense, in a way. Like... We're all guilty of something. Yeah.
Noam Chomsky says everyone is an anarchist, to some degree. It is a different angle and has a lot more to do with social contract (constitution, bill of rights, etc..).
Ever gone faster than the speed limit?
Ran a red light??
Made fireworks into an explosive??
Lied to your parents/wife/children?
I coulg go on here, but I think you can extrapolate something from that.
Noam Chomsky says everyone is an anarchist, to some degree. It is a different angle and has a lot more to do with social contract (constitution, bill of rights, etc..).
Ever gone faster than the speed limit?
Ran a red light??
Made fireworks into an explosive??
Lied to your parents/wife/children?
I coulg go on here, but I think you can extrapolate something from that.
Indeed, enough said. Also, could you please explain what you meant with your propaganda statement? It's getting later for me so my thinking capacity is dwindling.
I didn't really say anthing about propaganda per se. I did say that there are many reasons that the big religions are the way they are at this point in history. It has either been accomplished by assertion, often war or some kind of sacntioning. Or people just accept it, as a whole from the beginning....that was all I was saying.
Or, you could, well...you know, let people live their own lives and make their own choices. Until you're a member of some branch of law enforcement, let the real cops bust people and arrest them. A bunch of people in here don't sound like very fun people to be around. I'm 17, and I drink when I get the chance. I even smoked pot sometimes. Big deal. Oh, by inhaling the smoke from a burning plant, I'm just wrecking in my life. I hope one of my friends who doesn't do anything like this jumps into my life and tries to get me arrested. Oh wait...No, I don't. I haven't messed my life up at all. Doing things in moderation isn't as terrible as some people let on.
I guess because weed is illegal, that automatically makes it bad. There's absolutely no reason it should be illegal. I realize that this thread isn't about this issue, but I just figured I'd state my stand on it.
I actually agree weed should be legalized not because I use weed (nope not going to happen) but it imposes less risk on health than say cigarette smoking (which is more addictive and has far graver health consequences).
Anyways, you can help people by talking to them to help them stop. Yeah, we should all mind our own business but should you stand by doing nothing? Evil exists when good men do nothing.
How about we digress to suicide. Let's say a sister/brother/lover decide to jump off the top floor of the Empire State Building because he/she had a rough spot. Would you just watch as he/she jumps off? Would you encourage him/her to jump? Would you try to talk him/her out of jumping and come down and try to find a solution?
Now it's not your life to live, so should you really be concerned if your brother/sister/lover decided to jump?
Same thing with drugs. The OP is doing the right thing by helping his friends stop. A real friend doesn't just stand by and watch their friends waste their lives.
Being a narc doesn't work sadly. With the legal system and all, drug users just get a slap on the wrist, no rehab. 17 year olds drinking alcohol will be sent home from jail the next day after a bust, but the adult who provided the alcohol (even if they weren't in the party) do the time.
That's what I was trying to say- It would be a better (and probably safer) alternative to try and talk his friends out of doing drugs and drinking than to get them arrested, and hurt their abilities to get jobs in the future.
And, @ Bird, you seem like you got all of your information on drug use from anti-drug propaganda, and possibly your church. I don't know what to say, really. Luckily, religion never has and never will be a good explanation for anything. Separation of church and state is such a great thing.
It's getting later for me so my thinking capacity is dwindling.
Is it actually possible for it to get any lower? I know stoners less naive, even if you're intellectually capable you're showing yourself to be a mere babe when it comes to the real world. You seem intensely naive.
Incidentally, I love socially inept nerds who go on powertrips by snitching on other people. DRUGS ARE BAD, MMKAY.
This guy seems to have learned everything he knows about drug use from Mr. Mackey. Do you watch Reefer Madness non-stop?
A good friend would either:
A.) Help them enter rehab.
B.) Respect them enough to realize they have the ability to make their own choices.
Pardon my bluntness but you are not a good friend, you are an overly pious deluded fellow. Possibly these aren't even your friends, possibly they are people with actual social lives (since believe it or not, a great deal of young people partake in alcohol and cannabis socially, not to mention a great number of Americans in general) and you are obsessively envious.
I can think of nothing more disgusting than the jealous snitch. No one dies from responsibly using marijuana or alcohol in social settings, the key word being responsibly.
Anything used in excess or irresponsibly has the possibility to be harmful, and in your case the drug you're abusing is the petty power you feel from narcing on people.
I'm a recovering drug addict and alcoholic and am heavily involved with Narcotics Anonymous. I saw this thread and wanted to say that, in regards to our children, many flock to drugs and alcohol to escape from a poor self image. Our culture places such emphasis on looking pretty, or having a favorable outward appearance, it completely warps our children's mind set. Mainstream media is saturated with images of celebrities and athletes of which children look up to and aspire to be like. I can't stress how damaging this can be to a child's psyche.
Once adolescence rolls around, and a child realizes they may never become this idealized version of themselves, a poor self esteem is engendered. From this springs depression, drug and alcohol abuse, etc. etc. It's a cultural problem and doesn't seem to be going away.
Also, street drugs like heroin and cocaine aren't the number ones any longer. Most kids who grow to have serious chemical dependency issues find the most dangerous drugs in their parents own medicine cabinet.
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I can think of nothing more disgusting than the jealous snitch. No one dies from responsibly using marijuana or alcohol in social settings, the key word being responsibly.
Anything used in excess or irresponsibly has the possibility to be harmful, and in your case the drug you're abusing is the petty power you feel from narcing on people.
Huh? Forder said "no one dies from responsibly taking marijuana and alcohol". He never mentioned anything about the law.
Look AlmostGrown, you are a very good person for wanting people to stop taking drugs. But narcing on them is not the right method to do that. Punishing people and sending them to jail may not even be helpful. They may even pick up more drug habits in jail (from marijuana to crack).
You're free to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Ignore laws. Laws are there to control you, end of story. You can do ANYTHING you want to do, and so can everyone else. When you see people saying similar things online, they're doing just what I'm doing - trying to educate you to reality.
"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law." - Martin Luther King
Willful disobedience, and accepting the unjust consequences if they occur, is honourable and responsible.
You're free to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Ignore laws. Laws are there to control you, end of story. You can do ANYTHING you want to do, and so can everyone else. When you see people saying similar things online, they're doing just what I'm doing - trying to educate you to reality.
"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law." - Martin Luther King
Willful disobedience, and accepting the unjust consequences if they occur, is honourable and responsible.
@ paul: Everyone has a limit as to how much they can ignore. My limit has been reached and passed, so now I'm acting. Otherwise your advice is sound.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I'll leave this link though
Thank you. I am 30 and was the kid you speak of 15 years ago, although I didn't have facebook. I had friends who got involved and told my parents though. I am glad they did. However, sometimes you just have to let people make their own mistakes, if for nothing else than they will try to drag you down as well...I promise, your hair line will thank you.
Also, you shouldn't judge people. We are only human. I am obv. not a Christian, but I do appreciate the sense of "we are all in this together" that I get from the many Christians I work with on a day-to-day (I work for a Food Bank, so there are a lot).
Judge not, lest ye be judged...
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....etc,etc
@ trout, great link pal
@ paul: Some people I am judging, yes. Those are the ones I don't know, and have no other basis with which to go off of. And needless to be say I've been judged an endless amount of times on here (haven't we all, though?). I also don't understand the "cast the first stone" bible reference, but I might. Ok, I'm confused now.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I can't help but remember people who died doing drugs because no one helped them or even bothered to say anything. Pfft, go figure.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Two wrongs don't make a right; regarding judgment.
I don't remember the exact story, but one time in the Bible, Jesus came to some who was going to be stoned to death. In order to protect the person from being stoned, Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No one threw a rock because they couldn't. Hence, we are all sinners, whatever that means to you.
the big religions have been forced on many people throughout history. Somtimes through war and sometimes through tacit accpetance. I do not ascribe to any of it, but they are sure neat stories.
Nobody dies from smoking marijuana.
And I can't help but me reminded of colonizers and their idea of the white mans burden as if they were helping those africans.
Isn't this always how propaganda works when anyone is trying to establish any assertion of superiority?
Did you know, for instance, that there was slavery in Australia? Yeah, the aboriginals were treated awfully by the Australian government. In the past decade or so, they declared a holiday for the day that tey abolished slavery, the prime minister apologized, and aboriginals get cheaper housing, more welfare/gov't assistance. Not to say that it makes up for anything, but it helps.
I could get behind that
@ kpaca, nice picture of RZA
Ah, I get it now. It makes sense, in a way. Like... We're all guilty of something. Yeah.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Noam Chomsky says everyone is an anarchist, to some degree. It is a different angle and has a lot more to do with social contract (constitution, bill of rights, etc..).
Ever gone faster than the speed limit?
Ran a red light??
Made fireworks into an explosive??
Lied to your parents/wife/children?
I coulg go on here, but I think you can extrapolate something from that.
Indeed, enough said. Also, could you please explain what you meant with your propaganda statement? It's getting later for me so my thinking capacity is dwindling.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I actually agree weed should be legalized not because I use weed (nope not going to happen) but it imposes less risk on health than say cigarette smoking (which is more addictive and has far graver health consequences).
Anyways, you can help people by talking to them to help them stop. Yeah, we should all mind our own business but should you stand by doing nothing? Evil exists when good men do nothing.
How about we digress to suicide. Let's say a sister/brother/lover decide to jump off the top floor of the Empire State Building because he/she had a rough spot. Would you just watch as he/she jumps off? Would you encourage him/her to jump? Would you try to talk him/her out of jumping and come down and try to find a solution?
Now it's not your life to live, so should you really be concerned if your brother/sister/lover decided to jump?
Same thing with drugs. The OP is doing the right thing by helping his friends stop. A real friend doesn't just stand by and watch their friends waste their lives.
Being a narc doesn't work sadly. With the legal system and all, drug users just get a slap on the wrist, no rehab. 17 year olds drinking alcohol will be sent home from jail the next day after a bust, but the adult who provided the alcohol (even if they weren't in the party) do the time.
And, @ Bird, you seem like you got all of your information on drug use from anti-drug propaganda, and possibly your church. I don't know what to say, really. Luckily, religion never has and never will be a good explanation for anything. Separation of church and state is such a great thing.
Is it actually possible for it to get any lower? I know stoners less naive, even if you're intellectually capable you're showing yourself to be a mere babe when it comes to the real world. You seem intensely naive.
Incidentally, I love socially inept nerds who go on powertrips by snitching on other people. DRUGS ARE BAD, MMKAY.
This guy seems to have learned everything he knows about drug use from Mr. Mackey. Do you watch Reefer Madness non-stop?
A good friend would either:
A.) Help them enter rehab.
B.) Respect them enough to realize they have the ability to make their own choices.
Pardon my bluntness but you are not a good friend, you are an overly pious deluded fellow. Possibly these aren't even your friends, possibly they are people with actual social lives (since believe it or not, a great deal of young people partake in alcohol and cannabis socially, not to mention a great number of Americans in general) and you are obsessively envious.
I can think of nothing more disgusting than the jealous snitch. No one dies from responsibly using marijuana or alcohol in social settings, the key word being responsibly.
Anything used in excess or irresponsibly has the possibility to be harmful, and in your case the drug you're abusing is the petty power you feel from narcing on people.
Once adolescence rolls around, and a child realizes they may never become this idealized version of themselves, a poor self esteem is engendered. From this springs depression, drug and alcohol abuse, etc. etc. It's a cultural problem and doesn't seem to be going away.
Also, street drugs like heroin and cocaine aren't the number ones any longer. Most kids who grow to have serious chemical dependency issues find the most dangerous drugs in their parents own medicine cabinet.
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How can you responsibly break the law?
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Huh? Forder said "no one dies from responsibly taking marijuana and alcohol". He never mentioned anything about the law.
Look AlmostGrown, you are a very good person for wanting people to stop taking drugs. But narcing on them is not the right method to do that. Punishing people and sending them to jail may not even be helpful. They may even pick up more drug habits in jail (from marijuana to crack).
About what?
You're free to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Ignore laws. Laws are there to control you, end of story. You can do ANYTHING you want to do, and so can everyone else. When you see people saying similar things online, they're doing just what I'm doing - trying to educate you to reality.
"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law." - Martin Luther King
Willful disobedience, and accepting the unjust consequences if they occur, is honourable and responsible.
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That um...what?
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
What do you mean?
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How do you figure, Mad Mat?
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