More oxigen and resourses for those that actualy want to live.
Uh....what?
And that really doesn't contribute anything to the thread (Not that any of the drug issues brought up lately do...). If you don't support drugs, why? If you do support them, why?
And that really doesn't contribute anything to the thread (Not that any of the drug issues brought up lately do...). If you don't support drugs, why? If you do support them, why?
I just said it, it may be chaotic but drugs cause crime, violence and death, and since our society has made it so that an increasingly number of people live up to the 90's, yet more thousands of babies keep coming to life, we really need something to brush away some people.
Now, I'm not trying to be an ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ or anything and I understand if you prefer we all starve to death in a broken dystopia some years from now, but I'm actually a bit less worried about that everytime I check the numbers of people that kill themselves on drugs (be it reckless driving or overdosing, or suicide...) and how many criminals gun each other down for a fix.
It's cynical, it's cruel, it's the world of drugs and it should not be seen as something glamorous or nice, it's spreading, crippling death.
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Actually, just to spite everyone who says "Drugs are bad," this weekend, I will be either buying 2 ecstasy pills, a drop of acid, or half a gram of cocaine to try. Not sure which one yet, probably the easiest to get. Why, you ask? Because I can.
Get the Acid + some good heady weed, you will thank me later.
You do realize that you are paying tax to have these people transported to hospitals or morgues, and for the police resources that are spent on combating it, right?
I just said it, it may be chaotic but drugs cause crime, violence and death, and since our society has made it so that an increasingly number of people live up to the 90's, yet more thousands of babies keep coming to life, we really need something to brush away some people.
Now, I'm not trying to be an ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ or anything and I understand if you prefer we all starve to death in a broken dystopia some years from now, but I'm actually a bit less worried about that everytime I check the numbers of people that kill themselves on drugs (be it reckless driving or overdosing, or suicide...) and how many criminals gun each other down for a fix.
It's cynical, it's cruel, it's the world of drugs and it should not be seen as something glamorous or nice, it's spreading, crippling death.
The violence caused from drugs (pot specifically) all has to do with fighting over territory. Any violence is a result of the actual dealing and is due strictly to the illegality of the substance. Nobody gets high and does violence.
All drugs should be legalized. Sure some of them probably have negative long term affects, but for the most part they were made illegal before any testing was done. Either way drugs are more dangerous if they are cut with unknown chemicals, contain wildly varying amounts of the drug, and are made in home labs by people who do not understand chemistry.
Its not even drug users that are the problem though, its the dealers and traffickers. There should be as few ways for mudererous, immoral people to make huge amounts of tax free money as possible. All drug dealers have to do is go and meet their customers, or wait for their customers to come to them. There are minimum wage jobs harder than this, and dealers can make several thousand dollars a day. At least prostitutes and thieves actually have to do work to make their money.
Drugs are the lifeblood of organized crime, and commercial sale would rape the black market. The people who want to do drugs are already doing them, making it legal would just be making it safer for them.
That is entirely cause the whole Nort American part of the continent is more concerned about looking good than breaking the rules to deal with these problems, name me one single sucessful politician from Canada to Mexico who has dared to break the conservative laws and get away with it without everyone calling him a "commie" or whatever other completely unrelated negative implication.
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I guess the reason I'm a lot more "pro-drugs" is because, for some reason, everyone accuses me of being a druggie. I have smoked weed maybe a total of 10 times, the last time being at the end of this summer with a few of my close friends. Besides pills, which I barely consider drugs anyway, that is the only drug I've done. I figure if everyone already thinks I'm a druggie, there's nothing I can do to change their mind. People I don't even know accuse me of this. If I can't beat em, I might as well become what I'm already perceived to be, because everyone knows being high is a hell of a lot better than going through a day in the life of your average teenager. It's boring.
After reading through all that (hooray for 2 hr incubation periods to wait on!) I'm not quite sure what your end stance was. So I wanted to throw in my two cents.
If you're truly concerned about some of your drug using friends, do not go to law enforcement as a method to suggest change. If you do so, you are shrugging off your personal concerns and responsibilities to a very impersonal agency, an agency with a different agenda than yours. The police are not charged with rehabilitating or otherwise changing people, only enforcing laws and court orders.
To act as a friend you must take a personal route when lobbying your agenda. Give your concerns to them directly. It will take more time and effort than calling the police, but it will show that the concern comes from YOU. This is important. Dealing with your friends directly shows that you care, while going to police can easily lump you as part of an impersonal punishing authority. You can't really do anything if your friendship is hinged on a threat like that.
Police intervention should be a last resort; after you've tried personal involvement, parental involvement, and counselor's involvement. Getting tangled in the legal system can seriously ☺☺☺☺ up a person's life. Only bring in the law if they are truly and fully on the verge of destroying their life, because using the legal system as a deterrent risks ruining their life anyway.
The violence caused from drugs (pot specifically) all has to do with fighting over territory. Any violence is a result of the actual dealing and is due strictly to the illegality of the substance. Nobody gets high and does violence.
Tell that to the crazy dust heads who smoke PCP then commit acts of violence. Also people that go home and beat their wives after they get drunk.
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Tell that to the crazy dust heads who smoke PCP then commit acts of violence.
If you'll notice my post said "pot specifically". I have a mind to believe that people who do hard drugs and act violently are violent people to begin with.
Also people that go home and beat their wives after they get drunk.
Getting drunk is not getting high for one, and secondly I will echo my sentiment above- people who drink and do violence are probably violent to by nature.
If you'll notice my post said "pot specifically". I have a mind to believe that people who do hard drugs and act violently are violent people to begin with.
Getting drunk is not getting high for one, and secondly I will echo my sentiment above- people who drink and do violence are probably violent to by nature.
Semantics....I do agree Pot specifically actually makes people less violent when they use it.
While, they may be violent by nature, it doesn't change the fact that using the drugs brings it out of them and causes them to do things they otherwise wouldn't, due to inhibitions.
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After reading through all that (hooray for 2 hr incubation periods to wait on!) I'm not quite sure what your end stance was. So I wanted to throw in my two cents.
If you're truly concerned about some of your drug using friends, do not go to law enforcement as a method to suggest change. If you do so, you are shrugging off your personal concerns and responsibilities to a very impersonal agency, an agency with a different agenda than yours. The police are not charged with rehabilitating or otherwise changing people, only enforcing laws and court orders.
To act as a friend you must take a personal route when lobbying your agenda. Give your concerns to them directly. It will take more time and effort than calling the police, but it will show that the concern comes from YOU. This is important. Dealing with your friends directly shows that you care, while going to police can easily lump you as part of an impersonal punishing authority. You can't really do anything if your friendship is hinged on a threat like that.
Police intervention should be a last resort; after you've tried personal involvement, parental involvement, and counselor's involvement. Getting tangled in the legal system can seriously ☺☺☺☺ up a person's life. Only bring in the law if they are truly and fully on the verge of destroying their life, because using the legal system as a deterrent risks ruining their life anyway.
I agree with this. It's unfortunate that this thread kinda turned into a debate, but AlmostGrown, I wish you the best of luck with everything. It sounds like things are already really bad (you mentioned depression and suicide) and that this isn't a case of harmless experimentation that many of the posters seem to think it is. However, as patredwood said, I also think police intervention should be a last resort.
Again, good luck! I hope everything turns out for the best.
Actually, the issue goes far beyond semantics. Alcohol is a depressant, which makes for quite a relevant difference.
While, they may be violent by nature, it doesn't change the fact that using the drugs brings it out of them and causes them to do things they otherwise wouldn't, due to inhibitions.
In some cases, sure. Arguably though these people would do hard drugs because they are prone to destructive behavior anyhow.
I agree with this. It's unfortunate that this thread kinda turned into a debate, but AlmostGrown, I wish you the best of luck with everything. It sounds like things are already really bad (you mentioned depression and suicide) and that this isn't a case of harmless experimentation that many of the posters seem to think it is. However, as patredwood said, I also think police intervention should be a last resort.
I don't recall depression and suicide being used as anything but a hypothetical.
Actually, the issue goes far beyond semantics. Alcohol is a depressant, which makes for quite a relevant difference.
Really there is no difference. The reason the word drunk is used for alchohol is because its consumed as a beverage most of the time. It doesn't have to do with the fact its a depressant. Benzos and opiates are depressants, yet using them is "getting high" not "getting drunk".
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Prison is not a good place for changing thoughts and attitudes for the better. While many prisons have rehabilitative programs, and they're a good place for cold turkey detox of a drug...
Consider it this way: Would you enroll your child in a school with a high level of gang activity if you were worried about their risk of joining one?
Our social attitudes, thoughts, and behaviors are influenced by the people around us. Traits that are appropriate and desirable in a setting tend to intensify, and those that aren't tend to fade.
In prison, many types of criminal acts deplored in public are badges of pride.
I went to a low-income school for a semester, when I was suspended for 'passive aggression'. (I literally did nothing. The principal decided a good cure for depression and home family problems is suspension and a recommendation for military school, but that's neither here nor there.)
Somehow, a rumor spread that I'd transferred because I'd stabbed someone at my old school. It won me instant respect and admiration from several of my peers, but ... that wasn't something I wanted for that reason.
I had a choice to leave that environment, and I did. You don't get that choice in prison. Whether you like it or not, those people are going to be your companions and friends. (Or your friends' friends, in this case.)
It's not just prisons, though. Prolonged hospitalization for physical and mental disorders is not recommended except as a last resort for much the same reasons. An environment of sickness tends to encourage sickness. Instead of being a disability or disorder you have, it becomes who and what you are.
Really there is no difference. The reason the word drunk is used for alchohol is because its consumed as a beverage most of the time. It doesn't have to do with the fact its a depressant. Benzos and opiates are depressants, yet using them is "getting high" not "getting drunk".
How many people use opiates this day in age? When you hear drugs that is one of the last things I think of in terms of modern use.
Slang wise, which is what the common man will no, getting drunk refers to alcohol and getting high refers to marijuana. They do not result in the same feelings or impairments.
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How many people use opiates this day in age? When you hear drugs that is one of the last things I think of in terms of modern use.
Are you kidding? Opiates are second only to alchohol in terms of drug rehab admittance. Opiate use is almost as bad as it was in the 70s. So many people are using pain pills illegally. Even the ones that are prescribed to it are misusing it and going to rehab.
Slang wise, which is what the common man will no, getting drunk refers to alcohol and getting high refers to marijuana. They do not result in the same feelings or impairments.
Which is exactly why i said arguing the terms is semantics. They both mean to ingest a drug with the intention of feeling the effects.
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Are you kidding? Opiates are second only to alchohol in terms of drug rehab admittance. Opiate use is almost as bad as it was in the 70s. So many people are using pain pills illegally. Even the ones that are prescribed to it are misusing it and going to rehab.
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I'd wager that marijuana is at least 150% more widely used than opiates. However, you may be surprised to find out that seldom do you hear of anyone going to marijuana rehab, because marijuana does not effect your body as harshly as alcohol or opiates.
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I'd wager that marijuana is at least 150% more widely used than opiates. However, you may be surprised to find out that seldom do you hear of anyone going to marijuana rehab, because marijuana does not effect your body as harshly as alcohol or opiates.
...I agree. I never said opiates were used more than marijuana. Im not suprised to hear that no goes to rehab for marijuana. I know that. The stats showing drug rehab admittance i quoted simply show that opiates are definitely still used "in this day and age".
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...I agree. I never said opiates were used more than marijuana. Im not suprised to hear that no goes to rehab for marijuana. I know that. The stats showing drug rehab admittance i quoted simply show that opiates are definitely still used "in this day and age".
Right, but PhantomS's point was that you keep talking about opiates in your arguments, but opiates are no longer a large enough percentage of the drug use pie chart to be basing your arguments on.
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I'd wager that marijuana is at least 150% more widely used than opiates. However, you may be surprised to find out that seldom do you hear of anyone going to marijuana rehab, because marijuana does not effect your body as harshly as alcohol or opiates.
85 percent of all drug users use only marijuana.
There are more teens in rehab for marijuana than any other illegal substance. This is not because cannabis is physically addicting or harmful (it isn't), but they are given a choice between a short jail sentence/other bad punishment and rehab. They choose rehab, and rightfully so. But yeah, you never really hear about the people in rehab for marijuana because they don't really need or want to be there.
Hooray for researching statistics.:p (and a liberal upbringing)
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More oxigen and resourses for those that actualy want to live.
Uh....what?
And that really doesn't contribute anything to the thread (Not that any of the drug issues brought up lately do...). If you don't support drugs, why? If you do support them, why?
I just said it, it may be chaotic but drugs cause crime, violence and death, and since our society has made it so that an increasingly number of people live up to the 90's, yet more thousands of babies keep coming to life, we really need something to brush away some people.
Now, I'm not trying to be an ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ or anything and I understand if you prefer we all starve to death in a broken dystopia some years from now, but I'm actually a bit less worried about that everytime I check the numbers of people that kill themselves on drugs (be it reckless driving or overdosing, or suicide...) and how many criminals gun each other down for a fix.
It's cynical, it's cruel, it's the world of drugs and it should not be seen as something glamorous or nice, it's spreading, crippling death.
Get the Acid + some good heady weed, you will thank me later.
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The violence caused from drugs (pot specifically) all has to do with fighting over territory. Any violence is a result of the actual dealing and is due strictly to the illegality of the substance. Nobody gets high and does violence.
Its not even drug users that are the problem though, its the dealers and traffickers. There should be as few ways for mudererous, immoral people to make huge amounts of tax free money as possible. All drug dealers have to do is go and meet their customers, or wait for their customers to come to them. There are minimum wage jobs harder than this, and dealers can make several thousand dollars a day. At least prostitutes and thieves actually have to do work to make their money.
Drugs are the lifeblood of organized crime, and commercial sale would rape the black market. The people who want to do drugs are already doing them, making it legal would just be making it safer for them.
After reading through all that (hooray for 2 hr incubation periods to wait on!) I'm not quite sure what your end stance was. So I wanted to throw in my two cents.
If you're truly concerned about some of your drug using friends, do not go to law enforcement as a method to suggest change. If you do so, you are shrugging off your personal concerns and responsibilities to a very impersonal agency, an agency with a different agenda than yours. The police are not charged with rehabilitating or otherwise changing people, only enforcing laws and court orders.
To act as a friend you must take a personal route when lobbying your agenda. Give your concerns to them directly. It will take more time and effort than calling the police, but it will show that the concern comes from YOU. This is important. Dealing with your friends directly shows that you care, while going to police can easily lump you as part of an impersonal punishing authority. You can't really do anything if your friendship is hinged on a threat like that.
Police intervention should be a last resort; after you've tried personal involvement, parental involvement, and counselor's involvement. Getting tangled in the legal system can seriously ☺☺☺☺ up a person's life. Only bring in the law if they are truly and fully on the verge of destroying their life, because using the legal system as a deterrent risks ruining their life anyway.
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Tell that to the crazy dust heads who smoke PCP then commit acts of violence. Also people that go home and beat their wives after they get drunk.
If you'll notice my post said "pot specifically". I have a mind to believe that people who do hard drugs and act violently are violent people to begin with.
Getting drunk is not getting high for one, and secondly I will echo my sentiment above- people who drink and do violence are probably violent to by nature.
Semantics....I do agree Pot specifically actually makes people less violent when they use it.
While, they may be violent by nature, it doesn't change the fact that using the drugs brings it out of them and causes them to do things they otherwise wouldn't, due to inhibitions.
I agree with this. It's unfortunate that this thread kinda turned into a debate, but AlmostGrown, I wish you the best of luck with everything. It sounds like things are already really bad (you mentioned depression and suicide) and that this isn't a case of harmless experimentation that many of the posters seem to think it is. However, as patredwood said, I also think police intervention should be a last resort.
Again, good luck! I hope everything turns out for the best.
Actually, the issue goes far beyond semantics. Alcohol is a depressant, which makes for quite a relevant difference.
In some cases, sure. Arguably though these people would do hard drugs because they are prone to destructive behavior anyhow.
I don't recall depression and suicide being used as anything but a hypothetical.
Really there is no difference. The reason the word drunk is used for alchohol is because its consumed as a beverage most of the time. It doesn't have to do with the fact its a depressant. Benzos and opiates are depressants, yet using them is "getting high" not "getting drunk".
Consider it this way: Would you enroll your child in a school with a high level of gang activity if you were worried about their risk of joining one?
Our social attitudes, thoughts, and behaviors are influenced by the people around us. Traits that are appropriate and desirable in a setting tend to intensify, and those that aren't tend to fade.
In prison, many types of criminal acts deplored in public are badges of pride.
I went to a low-income school for a semester, when I was suspended for 'passive aggression'. (I literally did nothing. The principal decided a good cure for depression and home family problems is suspension and a recommendation for military school, but that's neither here nor there.)
Somehow, a rumor spread that I'd transferred because I'd stabbed someone at my old school. It won me instant respect and admiration from several of my peers, but ... that wasn't something I wanted for that reason.
I had a choice to leave that environment, and I did. You don't get that choice in prison. Whether you like it or not, those people are going to be your companions and friends. (Or your friends' friends, in this case.)
It's not just prisons, though. Prolonged hospitalization for physical and mental disorders is not recommended except as a last resort for much the same reasons. An environment of sickness tends to encourage sickness. Instead of being a disability or disorder you have, it becomes who and what you are.
How many people use opiates this day in age? When you hear drugs that is one of the last things I think of in terms of modern use.
Are you kidding? Opiates are second only to alchohol in terms of drug rehab admittance. Opiate use is almost as bad as it was in the 70s. So many people are using pain pills illegally. Even the ones that are prescribed to it are misusing it and going to rehab.
Which is exactly why i said arguing the terms is semantics. They both mean to ingest a drug with the intention of feeling the effects.
I'd wager that marijuana is at least 150% more widely used than opiates. However, you may be surprised to find out that seldom do you hear of anyone going to marijuana rehab, because marijuana does not effect your body as harshly as alcohol or opiates.
...I agree. I never said opiates were used more than marijuana. Im not suprised to hear that no goes to rehab for marijuana. I know that. The stats showing drug rehab admittance i quoted simply show that opiates are definitely still used "in this day and age".
Right, but PhantomS's point was that you keep talking about opiates in your arguments, but opiates are no longer a large enough percentage of the drug use pie chart to be basing your arguments on.
Hope this helps
85 percent of all drug users use only marijuana.
There are more teens in rehab for marijuana than any other illegal substance. This is not because cannabis is physically addicting or harmful (it isn't), but they are given a choice between a short jail sentence/other bad punishment and rehab. They choose rehab, and rightfully so. But yeah, you never really hear about the people in rehab for marijuana because they don't really need or want to be there.
Hooray for researching statistics.:p (and a liberal upbringing)