Here's a pretty easy solution, think outside the box so you don't have to spend $100 dollars to go out and do things every week. If you guys can't figure out things to do together that don't always cost money maybe you're not a good match.
In regards to linvala, it sounds like you are pretty young. Being shallow is widespread and 'natural', but as people grow older they realize other things are much more important than appearance, and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, even if it's more natural and easy to be attracted to standard metrics of beauty. Your perspective is still pretty limited, but until people spend some more time on this planet and move through the stages of life, it's hard for most people to see otherwise.
I appreciate you're post, seeing as it's not one of the infinite, NOU or URWRONGs I get everytime I post from a socially normal 20 Y/O's viewpoint on things.
You are correct that it lowers a great deal the older you get, due to the fact that the attractiveness of the average person lowers (not a ton but it degrades every year past 2X), and when you actually want to get married and have kids looks don't matter as much as "can I stand to be around this person for the next X years", however even then while they don't matter as much, they still matter, men still want decent looking women even when they are older, obviously the "can I stand this person" plays a much larger part but you still have to be attracted to the person.
Generally speaking I try to speak for my demographic, which is 20-25 Y/Os, the general consensus is that looks are the by far most important feature, seeing as thats what I hear from friends in the gym, at school, at the LGS, they matter, the people who claim they don't are kidding themselves because they are desperate.
I don't mind you, but you sound like you got mad because I described you perfectly.
Not really. I'm relatively tall, at the bottom of the "healthy" BMI range (around 20), and can pull off looking good if I try. Oh yeah, and I have enough of a wardrobe that I've got several hoodies to choose from each day. I don't give a ☺☺☺☺ what random people in public think about me, is the major thing.
I'm gonna be completely frank, your social views are completely backward and definately come from a girl with aspergers (you said you had it in another thread), you more than likely do not know as much about social situations as me.
I like the stereotype that autism spectrum -> no social skills. If anything it's more accurate to say that my social views definitely come from the massive dose of feminism I was raised on.
TDLR; I like you and respect you as a fellow anime fan, however please stop getting a big head with your ussually incorrect advice, the simple fact is the world is a shallow place, and 95% of guys care about looks, the other 5% are either desperate or will have sex with litterally anyone.
Man, my social circle must be really screwed up, then, because no one has anything approaching these opinions for any kind of girl (cis or trans). My advice is perfectly suited to mature adults, rather than shallow and immature people.
When my wife, and I went out on our first date... she paid for it. I told her I didn't have any money, and she used her credit card to cover our lunch. If the girl really wants to be with you, she'll realize this is the 21st century, not some 50's or 60's movie. The stereotypical gender roles are starting to blur with some women becoming just as successful as any other guy. I haven't read too many of anyone else's post, but you need to be stern with the girl. That will show her who's boss.
This is the funniest thing I have ever read. Instead of treating her like the 1950's or 1960's where the man would be the dominant partner, you went back to the 1850's and 1860's where you can legally own another human in the South.
Thanks for the input. The consensus I gathered from you seems to be in line with my own thoughts. It's a warning sign, but nothing to be overly concerned about this early into the relationship. To answer an earlier question: yes, we are dating exclusively.
Aside from the money issue, she's a very generous, open person (compliment-wise and in the boudoir), and from the way she always wants to spend time together, I know it's not that she's using me for my wallet. She has some self-esteem issues, and the amateur psychiatrist in me believes that her desire to be lavished with presents is not so much a gold-digger impulse as it is to be affirmed and assured that I feel the same way about her.
So, my action plan will be:
Scaling back a bit on the pricey dates to opt for more wallet-sparing options, and observing if there is any noticeable response. If she's happy with this, then I can relax the purse-strings a bit more and just wing it. If she still hasn't paid for anything down the road when we're a bit more serious, I may have to bring it up, but I really hope that she'll pick up the tab here and there.
Thanks again for the advice everyone, and feel free to continue giving it!
Man, my social circle must be really screwed up, then, because no one has anything approaching these opinions for any kind of girl (cis or trans). My advice is perfectly suited to mature adults, rather than shallow and immature people.
I don't mean to be rude but if your social circle includes transgendered people (sorry about using the slur last time I honestly didn't know that it was) it is not anywhere remotely close to normal.
It honestly depends on what you mean by mature adults, part of being mature in my opinion is maintaining a decent image of yourself, I'm not talking about what these girls do on facebook and spend every waking moment thinking about what others think, but at least not dressing like a complete scrub (you might not be, most gamer girls I've met do), maintaining a decent appearence shows maturity and that you live in the real world, I'm not saying spend 2 hrs a day, just a minimum to look like you didn't roll out of bed and go to school (again most gamer girls do). I don't think it makes me shallow to think looks matter, I will only long-term date a girl who shares a hobby with me, but I still care about looks.
Once again, I like you a lot as a person, but I do think your advice is slightly off, you speak from the perspective of a 26 year old female gamer, whereas I speak from the perspective of a 20 year old male lifter. My point still stands that most non-socially-broken guys will date a girl better at video games than them, the looks (or personality as a lot of gamer girls I know are also really annoying) are ussually the limiting factor. I'll gladly date a girl who can kick my ass at SSBM (not easy) if she's cute and I can stand her.
I'm sorry that my posts come out as abraisive, I'm honestly not trying to make them that way, I'll just concede that from your demographic looks don't matter like they do to mine.
... I speak like a 26-year old despite being 23. Okay then.
I never claimed my social group was normal, although I'd definitely say that there are normal people in it—more inclusive than some, perhaps, but not abnormal solely by virtue of association with trans women. You've probably talked to trans women, yourself, likely without knowing it. Maybe it's because I live on the ridiculously liberal west coast, but nothing LGBT-related is really much to blink at.
And as for rolling out of bed and going to class, well, early-morning classes suck and I'm not going to doll myself up just to go take notes (compared to a date, for instance).
You've probably talked to trans women, yourself, likely without knowing it.
I hope not, my peace of mind would be destroyed, litterally every transgendered woman I've seen has been nauseatingly obvious, I actually hold nothing against trans women it's just all the ones I've seen have made me think they are all like that, but thinking about that, a sign of being a good one is if people can't tell you from a real woman.
But we're waaayyyy off topic now, if she has self esteem issues she is probably doing it to feel good rather than using you as a meal ticket, like far too many 20 year old women do.
TDLR; I like you and respect you as a fellow anime fan, however please stop getting a big head with your ussually incorrect advice, the simple fact is the world is a shallow place, and 95% of guys care about looks, the other 5% are either desperate or will have sex with litterally anyone.
Men tend to date women around their height and "looks range" or "perceived looks range." Money changes this variable, this is why you see the guy that looks like a troll dating the "hot chick." There's a median to looks, but there's not a median for ***** since that ends in divorce.
Men typically have what I call the three "HMC's" experience and then "grow up;"
1. The money sucker
2. The emotional succubus
3. The Overlord/"hot chick, bad attitude"
It seems that some will run a chain through one of those three, then stop seeking out those personality defects or find someone with a partial affinity towards one of those at their worse but in aggregate are "good people."
Speaking for myself when I was "wife hunting" I looked for "wife material" and was willing to go for certain trade offs but ultimately had certain qualities I wouldn't take a second cue for. As men age, they care less about looks and want more personality. Overall it's a balance, you can get a 6 in looks and win the lottery with a 10 in personality.
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I hope not, my peace of mind would be destroyed, litterally every transgendered woman I've seen has been nauseatingly obvious, I actually hold nothing against trans women it's just all the ones I've seen have made me think they are all like that, but thinking about that, a sign of being a good one is if people can't tell you from a real woman.
The ones you clocked, at any rate. You'd never know one that passes very well because, well, she's passing and you're clocking her as female. So, yes, you've probably talked to some without knowing.
The ones you clocked, at any rate. You'd never know one that passes very well because, well, she's passing and you're clocking her as female. So, yes, you've probably talked to some without knowing.
the simple fact is the world is a shallow place, and 95% of guys care about looks, the other 5% are either desperate or will have sex with litterally anyone.
I'm shallow and have no problem admitting it. Im not messing with anything less than a 7. In a relationship, I want the complete package. If I just want something to poach on for the night, then nothing other than appearance matters.
The next time the bill comes put your half in and hand it to her. It's not about "gender equality" and "depth of character", it's about your friggin' paycheck, and somebody poaching free lunches like they're little orphan Annie. Is she nice? Cool. Is she good looking? Oh, awesome! Who cares. Buy your own goddamned lunch, and let her buy hers.
A warning sign of what? She's even saying she feels bad. Think you're making a mountain out of a molehill on this.
At a first go through his post, I'd say the same, but then I remember I'm cynical enough that I'd say you can't guess definitively until all is said and done.
I've also wondered this. But it's teh interwebz, so I figured there was no real point in asking since there's no way to confirm or disconfirm the answer.
Also, as for the back-and-forth between linvala and Teia, I think I'm mainly with linvala on this one. I wouldn't care if a hot girl routinely beat me at games, I'd still be attracted to her. I wouldn't care if a scrubby-looking girl beat me at games, I still wouldn't be attracted to her. Beating me at games is a non-factor for me in how interested I am in a girl.
Looks are a pretty big factor as an initial weeding-out process. I have standards for looks that I don't compromise. People go for quality of looks in a partner they feel are roughly equivalent to how good they perceive their own to be. Studies have shown this to be true. Is personality a factor? OF COURSE! That's what keeps me with a girl! Looks alone are only good enough to have a shot with me, if that test is passed then it all comes down to personality to keep things going. I'm also aware that this is a two-way street: girls have done the same thing with me when considering whether they're interested.
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Aren't most relationships started because of physical attraction? You don't know anything about the person when you meet them so you have to be interested in them for their looks, right?
I SUPPOSE there are exceptions to all rules and you could just be wanting to get to know a person intellectually first..? IMO there has to be *SOME* physical attraction there.
I wasn't going to chime in on the looks debate, mostly because I don't figure I can convince anyone, but also because I recognise that I'm strongly abnormal in my approaches to most things. But I guess I'm too hopeful to do otherwise.
First, there's a great deal of truth in the saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." My parents and several other relatives would say Hawaii is the ideally beautiful place to be, while I would pick Bergen or Vancouver, my sister would opt for forested areas of northern California, my grandparents love the Mojave desert, my aunt and uncle go for San Diego, others like Missouri, and my friend really enjoys the industrial sections of the Bay Area. The same goes for what appeals to us in other people. Some like larger people, some like smaller people, and it turns out anything goes.
Second, I don't remember what people look like, for the most part. I might remember clothing, more often a general outline, and occasionally a feature or two - hair's fairly common - but never faces. A lot of that's going to be based upon the fact that most the time I'm interacting with someone, I'm not looking at them. I look to the side, I look at something they're looking at, I look over their shoulder; rarely do I look at them. So instead I'll remember voices (and when I think of the sound of someone's voice, it's saying something), or the way they move when they walk (as a person used to walking with others or through crowds, I pay attention to that), or other bits like that, and whatever little notions of beauty I do hold are quite likely to be wrapped up in those features.
Third, I honestly don't consciously care what other people look like. Does it affect me subconsciously? Maybe, but if so I know it doesn't amount to very much. Every time, the real first impression that will actually determine whether I'm attracted to a person or not is the extent to which they agree with me on matters important to me and to them (embarrassing, but true), and then whether they share interests and how intelligent they seem to be. Fortunately, the shared interests part comes out first and can override some amount of disagreement.
As a good example of me not caring about looks, my brother was trying to sell me on Kill Bill, and tried to use Uma Thurman's looks as a selling point. He points me to several images, and I don't really get it. Sure, she's not unattractive, but she also doesn't seem particularly attractive either. Just normal, like everyone else. Or I look up Leonard Nimoy's Full Body Project and feel the same way - not ugly or unattractive, not attractive either. (The art made with them, though, now there's beauty.)
Is this normal? I shouldn't think so. I expect I grew into it through years of socialising largely online. But it's the way I am, so it's the way some people at least can be.
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My anecdotal evidence disagrees with yours! EXPLAIN THAT!
As a good example of me not caring about looks, my brother was trying to sell me on Kill Bill, and tried to use Uma Thurman's looks as a selling point. He points me to several images, and I don't really get it. Sure, she's not unattractive, but she also doesn't seem particularly attractive either. Just normal, like everyone else.
Is this normal? I shouldn't think so. I expect I grew into it through years of socialising largely online. But it's the way I am, so it's the way some people at least can be.
She looked way better as Poison Ivy. I don't think she's pretty at all. To each his own.
That's a really interesting way to look at the world. I don't think I've ever heard of someone do what you do.
Misogyny in this thread has reached an absurd level. I can only hope the OP just considers posting here a bad idea and ignores all advice given.
@Uma Thurman: I'm not the least bit attracted to her. She might as well be SJP or Cameron Diaz. Thin is not a defining attribute for beauty. I will say that Uma Thurman can act at least.
Drew Barrymore is another that I will never see as attractive.
Misogyny in this thread has reached an absurd level. I can only hope the OP just considers posting here a bad idea and ignores all advice given.
@Uma Thurman: I'm not the least bit attracted to her. She might as well be SJP or Cameron Diaz. Thin is not a defining attribute for beauty. I will say that Uma Thurman can act at least.
Drew Barrymore is another that I will never see as attractive.
thinking women need to care about thier appearence =/= misogyny, thinking women don't need to care is the opposite, I'm not saying men don't have to care too, just that all people should spend some basic time on thier looks.
I hope not, my peace of mind would be destroyed, litterally every transgendered woman I've seen has been nauseatingly obvious, I actually hold nothing against trans women it's just all the ones I've seen have made me think they are all like that, but thinking about that, a sign of being a good one is if people can't tell you from a real woman.
If you live near the west coast especially, we're getting towards a time where it's hard to tell who's what in terms of gender. You don't hear about it a lot because the transgendered community is very underground. Hell, if we can't even set the record straight on gay marriage, the trans community must be scared ☺☺☺☺less as to the amount of opposition they are going to face once they get more mainstream.
Also the distinction should be made that most people that claim to be transgendered are Pre-Op. Those procedures are expensive as hell, we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars expensive. So unless you're already well-to-do or lucky as hell, chances are when push comes to shove you're GOING to find out eventually the true sex of a dating partner.
I'm shallow and have no problem admitting it. Im not messing with anything less than a 7. In a relationship, I want the complete package. If I just want something to poach on for the night, then nothing other than appearance matters.
I do my fair share of trolling feminists on these boards when I am bored (reference: the recording cops thread in the debate section) But you are a member of a Magic The Gathering Card Game Forum, where you host Fantasy Football leagues with fellow card game nerds, and if your avatar is a picture of you, you look like a K-Fed rip off. I highly doubt you have enough of a dedicated social life to claim that you can have such high standards.
Aren't most relationships started because of physical attraction? You don't know anything about the person when you meet them so you have to be interested in them for their looks, right?
I SUPPOSE there are exceptions to all rules and you could just be wanting to get to know a person intellectually first..? IMO there has to be *SOME* physical attraction there.
This. As much as I dislike to admit it, physical attraction is almost always a weeding out factor in potential dating partners. Note I said ALMOST, before someone tries to pop in here saying "Hey Hey! Look at me, I'm a minority exception to the rule!" That doesn't change the rule. lol.
thinking women need to care about thier appearence =/= misogyny, thinking women don't need to care is the opposite, I'm not saying men don't have to care too, just that all people should spend some basic time on thier looks.
I can tell you're vein, but I was not really referring to you. If I wanted to call you out for something, then I would call you out for something.
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I appreciate you're post, seeing as it's not one of the infinite, NOU or URWRONGs I get everytime I post from a socially normal 20 Y/O's viewpoint on things.
You are correct that it lowers a great deal the older you get, due to the fact that the attractiveness of the average person lowers (not a ton but it degrades every year past 2X), and when you actually want to get married and have kids looks don't matter as much as "can I stand to be around this person for the next X years", however even then while they don't matter as much, they still matter, men still want decent looking women even when they are older, obviously the "can I stand this person" plays a much larger part but you still have to be attracted to the person.
Generally speaking I try to speak for my demographic, which is 20-25 Y/Os, the general consensus is that looks are the by far most important feature, seeing as thats what I hear from friends in the gym, at school, at the LGS, they matter, the people who claim they don't are kidding themselves because they are desperate.
Not really. I'm relatively tall, at the bottom of the "healthy" BMI range (around 20), and can pull off looking good if I try. Oh yeah, and I have enough of a wardrobe that I've got several hoodies to choose from each day. I don't give a ☺☺☺☺ what random people in public think about me, is the major thing.
I like the stereotype that autism spectrum -> no social skills. If anything it's more accurate to say that my social views definitely come from the massive dose of feminism I was raised on.
Man, my social circle must be really screwed up, then, because no one has anything approaching these opinions for any kind of girl (cis or trans). My advice is perfectly suited to mature adults, rather than shallow and immature people.
This is the funniest thing I have ever read. Instead of treating her like the 1950's or 1960's where the man would be the dominant partner, you went back to the 1850's and 1860's where you can legally own another human in the South.
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Thanks for the input. The consensus I gathered from you seems to be in line with my own thoughts. It's a warning sign, but nothing to be overly concerned about this early into the relationship. To answer an earlier question: yes, we are dating exclusively.
Aside from the money issue, she's a very generous, open person (compliment-wise and in the boudoir), and from the way she always wants to spend time together, I know it's not that she's using me for my wallet. She has some self-esteem issues, and the amateur psychiatrist in me believes that her desire to be lavished with presents is not so much a gold-digger impulse as it is to be affirmed and assured that I feel the same way about her.
So, my action plan will be:
Scaling back a bit on the pricey dates to opt for more wallet-sparing options, and observing if there is any noticeable response. If she's happy with this, then I can relax the purse-strings a bit more and just wing it. If she still hasn't paid for anything down the road when we're a bit more serious, I may have to bring it up, but I really hope that she'll pick up the tab here and there.
Thanks again for the advice everyone, and feel free to continue giving it!
I don't mean to be rude but if your social circle includes transgendered people (sorry about using the slur last time I honestly didn't know that it was) it is not anywhere remotely close to normal.
It honestly depends on what you mean by mature adults, part of being mature in my opinion is maintaining a decent image of yourself, I'm not talking about what these girls do on facebook and spend every waking moment thinking about what others think, but at least not dressing like a complete scrub (you might not be, most gamer girls I've met do), maintaining a decent appearence shows maturity and that you live in the real world, I'm not saying spend 2 hrs a day, just a minimum to look like you didn't roll out of bed and go to school (again most gamer girls do). I don't think it makes me shallow to think looks matter, I will only long-term date a girl who shares a hobby with me, but I still care about looks.
Once again, I like you a lot as a person, but I do think your advice is slightly off, you speak from the perspective of a 26 year old female gamer, whereas I speak from the perspective of a 20 year old male lifter. My point still stands that most non-socially-broken guys will date a girl better at video games than them, the looks (or personality as a lot of gamer girls I know are also really annoying) are ussually the limiting factor. I'll gladly date a girl who can kick my ass at SSBM (not easy) if she's cute and I can stand her.
I'm sorry that my posts come out as abraisive, I'm honestly not trying to make them that way, I'll just concede that from your demographic looks don't matter like they do to mine.
I never claimed my social group was normal, although I'd definitely say that there are normal people in it—more inclusive than some, perhaps, but not abnormal solely by virtue of association with trans women. You've probably talked to trans women, yourself, likely without knowing it. Maybe it's because I live on the ridiculously liberal west coast, but nothing LGBT-related is really much to blink at.
And as for rolling out of bed and going to class, well, early-morning classes suck and I'm not going to doll myself up just to go take notes (compared to a date, for instance).
I hope not, my peace of mind would be destroyed, litterally every transgendered woman I've seen has been nauseatingly obvious, I actually hold nothing against trans women it's just all the ones I've seen have made me think they are all like that, but thinking about that, a sign of being a good one is if people can't tell you from a real woman.
But we're waaayyyy off topic now, if she has self esteem issues she is probably doing it to feel good rather than using you as a meal ticket, like far too many 20 year old women do.
Men tend to date women around their height and "looks range" or "perceived looks range." Money changes this variable, this is why you see the guy that looks like a troll dating the "hot chick." There's a median to looks, but there's not a median for ***** since that ends in divorce.
Men typically have what I call the three "HMC's" experience and then "grow up;"
1. The money sucker
2. The emotional succubus
3. The Overlord/"hot chick, bad attitude"
It seems that some will run a chain through one of those three, then stop seeking out those personality defects or find someone with a partial affinity towards one of those at their worse but in aggregate are "good people."
Speaking for myself when I was "wife hunting" I looked for "wife material" and was willing to go for certain trade offs but ultimately had certain qualities I wouldn't take a second cue for. As men age, they care less about looks and want more personality. Overall it's a balance, you can get a 6 in looks and win the lottery with a 10 in personality.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
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Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
The ones you clocked, at any rate. You'd never know one that passes very well because, well, she's passing and you're clocking her as female. So, yes, you've probably talked to some without knowing.
Am I doing it now?
I'm shallow and have no problem admitting it. Im not messing with anything less than a 7. In a relationship, I want the complete package. If I just want something to poach on for the night, then nothing other than appearance matters.
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I did post a reply a couple pages back.
A warning sign of what? She's even saying she feels bad. Think you're making a mountain out of a molehill on this.
At a first go through his post, I'd say the same, but then I remember I'm cynical enough that I'd say you can't guess definitively until all is said and done.
I've also wondered this. But it's teh interwebz, so I figured there was no real point in asking since there's no way to confirm or disconfirm the answer.
Also, as for the back-and-forth between linvala and Teia, I think I'm mainly with linvala on this one. I wouldn't care if a hot girl routinely beat me at games, I'd still be attracted to her. I wouldn't care if a scrubby-looking girl beat me at games, I still wouldn't be attracted to her. Beating me at games is a non-factor for me in how interested I am in a girl.
Looks are a pretty big factor as an initial weeding-out process. I have standards for looks that I don't compromise. People go for quality of looks in a partner they feel are roughly equivalent to how good they perceive their own to be. Studies have shown this to be true. Is personality a factor? OF COURSE! That's what keeps me with a girl! Looks alone are only good enough to have a shot with me, if that test is passed then it all comes down to personality to keep things going. I'm also aware that this is a two-way street: girls have done the same thing with me when considering whether they're interested.
I SUPPOSE there are exceptions to all rules and you could just be wanting to get to know a person intellectually first..? IMO there has to be *SOME* physical attraction there.
JAMMIT DIM! I'm a DOCTOR not a DECKBUILDER!
First, there's a great deal of truth in the saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." My parents and several other relatives would say Hawaii is the ideally beautiful place to be, while I would pick Bergen or Vancouver, my sister would opt for forested areas of northern California, my grandparents love the Mojave desert, my aunt and uncle go for San Diego, others like Missouri, and my friend really enjoys the industrial sections of the Bay Area. The same goes for what appeals to us in other people. Some like larger people, some like smaller people, and it turns out anything goes.
Second, I don't remember what people look like, for the most part. I might remember clothing, more often a general outline, and occasionally a feature or two - hair's fairly common - but never faces. A lot of that's going to be based upon the fact that most the time I'm interacting with someone, I'm not looking at them. I look to the side, I look at something they're looking at, I look over their shoulder; rarely do I look at them. So instead I'll remember voices (and when I think of the sound of someone's voice, it's saying something), or the way they move when they walk (as a person used to walking with others or through crowds, I pay attention to that), or other bits like that, and whatever little notions of beauty I do hold are quite likely to be wrapped up in those features.
Third, I honestly don't consciously care what other people look like. Does it affect me subconsciously? Maybe, but if so I know it doesn't amount to very much. Every time, the real first impression that will actually determine whether I'm attracted to a person or not is the extent to which they agree with me on matters important to me and to them (embarrassing, but true), and then whether they share interests and how intelligent they seem to be. Fortunately, the shared interests part comes out first and can override some amount of disagreement.
As a good example of me not caring about looks, my brother was trying to sell me on Kill Bill, and tried to use Uma Thurman's looks as a selling point. He points me to several images, and I don't really get it. Sure, she's not unattractive, but she also doesn't seem particularly attractive either. Just normal, like everyone else. Or I look up Leonard Nimoy's Full Body Project and feel the same way - not ugly or unattractive, not attractive either. (The art made with them, though, now there's beauty.)
Is this normal? I shouldn't think so. I expect I grew into it through years of socialising largely online. But it's the way I am, so it's the way some people at least can be.
She looked way better as Poison Ivy. I don't think she's pretty at all. To each his own.
That's a really interesting way to look at the world. I don't think I've ever heard of someone do what you do.
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@Uma Thurman: I'm not the least bit attracted to her. She might as well be SJP or Cameron Diaz. Thin is not a defining attribute for beauty. I will say that Uma Thurman can act at least.
Drew Barrymore is another that I will never see as attractive.
thinking women need to care about thier appearence =/= misogyny, thinking women don't need to care is the opposite, I'm not saying men don't have to care too, just that all people should spend some basic time on thier looks.
If you live near the west coast especially, we're getting towards a time where it's hard to tell who's what in terms of gender. You don't hear about it a lot because the transgendered community is very underground. Hell, if we can't even set the record straight on gay marriage, the trans community must be scared ☺☺☺☺less as to the amount of opposition they are going to face once they get more mainstream.
Also the distinction should be made that most people that claim to be transgendered are Pre-Op. Those procedures are expensive as hell, we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars expensive. So unless you're already well-to-do or lucky as hell, chances are when push comes to shove you're GOING to find out eventually the true sex of a dating partner.
I do my fair share of trolling feminists on these boards when I am bored (reference: the recording cops thread in the debate section) But you are a member of a Magic The Gathering Card Game Forum, where you host Fantasy Football leagues with fellow card game nerds, and if your avatar is a picture of you, you look like a K-Fed rip off. I highly doubt you have enough of a dedicated social life to claim that you can have such high standards.
This. As much as I dislike to admit it, physical attraction is almost always a weeding out factor in potential dating partners. Note I said ALMOST, before someone tries to pop in here saying "Hey Hey! Look at me, I'm a minority exception to the rule!" That doesn't change the rule. lol.