So, MTGS, I come to you with a predicament. I'm interested in getting to know/sleep with some goth/emo/scene girls, for whatever reason. Recently, I've been extremely attracted to them, and I can't for the life of me figure out where that stems from.
Deepseated underlying psychological trauma aside, I have a problem.
As your typical MTV high school jock alpha male douchebag, cheerleaders and volleyball girls are really the only clique of girls that i've had access to socializing with, so needless to say they make up the majority of the girls that i've dated in my life. (I had a 2 year stint with this sexy little goth girl awhile back, but that's over now and not coming back.)
And here's the problem. I have NO GOD DAMN IDEA as to where to start.
The reason I decided to post this on mtgs (besides desperation) is that on occasion, I have seen a fellow magic player with a decent looking alternative girl, to a much higher concentration than i would have "in the wild."
Getting goth girls being a jock is probably about as likely as a nerd going out with the ****ing prom queen.
Statistically goths absolutely loathe everything your type represents and is. Crap the nerd has a better shot with the prom queen because he can probably help her with a test or something and then get a date as a reward via bargaining.
I won't say its truly impossible but you basically have to change everything about yourself legitimately or become a total poser that just pretends to be a goth.
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Getting goth girls being a jock is probably about as likely as a nerd going out with the ****ing prom queen.
Statistically goths absolutely loathe everything your type represents and is. Crap the nerd has a better shot with the prom queen because he can probably help her with a test or something and then get a date as a reward via bargaining.
I won't say its truly impossible but you basically have to change everything about yourself legitimately or become a total poser that just pretends to be a goth.
You know I've actually put a lot of thought into this, and while I agree that it's going to be difficult, I'm confident that I can overcome any differences our cliques may have had in high school through sheer force of will.
Now, you realize that if any of these girls actually reads this as objectification, and I assure you an Goth girl will see right through the facade because that's what Goth girls do, you're going to come across as a mysogenistic tool, right?
I have seen a fellow magic player with a decent looking alternative girl, to a much higher concentration than i would have "in the wild."
Find more of these magic players who have mastered the arts of hygiene and social communication. Assimilate into their play group. Go to Denny's with them at 2am. Attend large social gatherings at individual houses. Follow them to dark dance halls with certain bands playing. Beware, the better bands will charge somewhere between Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Tarmogoyf for the price of admission.
Barring assimilation and going the loner route, go to any public coffee house or college and start reading "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" or "A Game of Thrones" ... or "50 Shades of Grey" if you enjoy awkward conversations.
Drawing is another good activity to do in public. A lot of artsy girls are also very scene, and if you're good then you deserve the attention.
Also @ misclick it's actually fairly normal to be interested in another person because of a specific look or attitude. It's actually pretty much the entire basis of physical attraction. So if you think that makes him come across as objectifying and misogynistic then I don't think you actually know what those words mean.
Seriously though the above guy that suggested you make some goth/alternative friends is actually pretty spot on. Spend a little bit of time in the scene and you'll find out everything you need to know.
Also @ misclick it's actually fairly normal to be interested in another person because of a specific look or attitude. It's actually pretty much the entire basis of physical attraction. So if you think that makes him come across as objectifying and misogynistic then I don't think you actually know what those words mean.
No, I see what he means by that. The fact that I'm actually BRACKETING my search criteria in a mate so to speak is a bit on the vapid side, I'd agree.
Drawing is another good activity to do in public. A lot of artsy girls are also very scene, and if you're good then you deserve the attention.
I have a preexisting hand injury, 4 of my fingers are nonfunctional. Aside from that, my art talent is nonexistent. doesn't seem too possible to me lol.
Are you into rock/metal-ish music? Whenever I'm at a concert of any halfway popular metal/screamo/whatever band (Suicide Silence, We Came As Romans, Bring me the Horizon, Parkway Drive, Asking Alexandria - just to name a few), there are a buttload full of emo/scene girls attending and most of them already looking like they just want to be taken home by some stranger, but I digress... So yeah, the girls you are looking for are easily found at any metal concert/festival.
While I can't say that I would listen to any of those bands on my own, I guess a concert wouldn't be such a bad place to start. or specifically, the concert parking lot after the show.
Depends - not the normal mediums - but I've done some Jackson Pollock like stuff that the wife considers good enough to hang in our home and make conversation with new friends over. [And note: wife would've likely been defined as goth if it really existed much when we were younger - she's fallen out of that phase - but was the whole heavy eyeliner, broody, thigh high stockings whole thing I see portrayed with all black clothing with occasional white accents - largely lace]
Also done some glass-blowing with my cousin's husband that I thought was quite good for an amateur as well as always being good with clay. Oh and stained glass I was pretty adept with as well, alas when I moved back to Maryland I don't have a neighbor with a stained glass kiln anymore though, and they're too damn pricy for a hobby.
And yea, he answered in the midst of my typing, but photography is an "anyone can do" thing assuming you've got at least 1 working finger and good eyes. Mostly eyes.
Depends - not the normal mediums - but I've done some Jackson Pollock like stuff that the wife considers good enough to hang in our home and make conversation with new friends over. [And note: wife would've likely been defined as goth if it really existed much when we were younger - she's fallen out of that phase - but was the whole heavy eyeliner, broody, thigh high stockings whole thing I see portrayed with all black clothing with occasional white accents - largely lace]
Also done some glass-blowing with my cousin's husband that I thought was quite good for an amateur as well as always being good with clay. Oh and stained glass I was pretty adept with as well, alas when I moved back to Maryland I don't have a neighbor with a stained glass kiln anymore though, and they're too damn pricy for a hobby.
And yea, he answered in the midst of my typing, but photography is an "anyone can do" thing assuming you've got at least 1 working finger and good eyes. Mostly eyes.
My apologies, Vaclav. Didn't mean to steal your thunder.
Reflexes can also be quite important to photographers, depending on what type of expression you're looking for.
Didn't take any of my thunder - I'd forgotten photography - I don't do it personally.
Most people do, and to be fair it's difficult to prove yourself more than a photochopper in this day and age.. you actually have to show you have the necessary skillset to figure out lighting, composition, framing, etc. before girls will fall all over you.
Yea, that's all the stuff I meant to imply by "eye" - I know I damn well don't have it myself in color photos, maybe in B/W but never bothered. (I'm G/R colorblind so anything colorwise that's supposed to appear natural is always gonna be "off" to me)
@Rivaltuna: Photography is hipster, not goth. If you want hipsters girls, go for it.
If you want Goth, you might get to know their favorite bands and go to a metal show. Don't dress like them, be different. Stay in your jock-like style, but hang with metalheads and you're good to go.
It becomes easier with time - the more you know about their "environment", the easier it gets.
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As an active part of my local goth community (played in several bands, helped people who organized parties, etc) I can say we're ****ing tired of "tourists" looking for getting laid with goth women.
As a former active part of local rock community I couldn't give a crap. It's not like he's gonna "steal" my women.
I know you guys find corsets sexy, go get a dumb blonde cheerleader and make her wear it. Stay away from people when you're part of a stereotype who never respected us and your only interest is sex. Its boring, tiring, to have to deal with people in our scenes because at some point it gets trendy or hip and people just wants the benefits but none of the stigma.
Everyone has an associated stigma. Goths, hipsters, jocks, clubbers, nerds, mtgplayers, etc. We well never be fully understood for who we are just by the looks. If he's into goth-looking-girls, let him have fun with them. It's not objectification, it's just knowing what is attractive to you.
Tranquilo just stole the words from my keyword, cool down retrigger, there is no need to fall in segregation. He wants to get laid with a goth girl? let him be. It is none of your concern if a goth girls wants to go with him or not.
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While that is, in general, true, this thread is an example where they should take offense.
The premise of the thread is "LoL, how can I convince girls of X-subgroup to sleep with me". The original poster is interested in nothing other than his own desire to "get laid". It shows an absolute lack of respect for women.
Everyone has an associated stigma. Goths, hipsters, jocks, clubbers, nerds, mtgplayers, etc. We well never be fully understood for who we are just by the looks. If he's into goth-looking-girls, let him have fun with them. It's not objectification, it's just knowing what is attractive to you.
Its absolutley objectification. He basically said he doesn't give a rats ass about the women, he just thinks the look is hot and wants to sleep with them. He is treating them like objects built for his personal pleasure. That is the definition of objectification.
Got the vibe that most of them were deranged, mentally disturbed, and emotionally unstable.
Wow this thread is getting out of control pretty fast.
I personally have several goth friends who I play magic with and they are some of the nicest people and perhaps more stable than many of my friends from law school.
This quote is just ridiculous. I am not a goth (I am actually very preppy) but this statement is just offensive to me.
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Deepseated underlying psychological trauma aside, I have a problem.
As your typical MTV high school jock alpha male douchebag, cheerleaders and volleyball girls are really the only clique of girls that i've had access to socializing with, so needless to say they make up the majority of the girls that i've dated in my life. (I had a 2 year stint with this sexy little goth girl awhile back, but that's over now and not coming back.)
And here's the problem. I have NO GOD DAMN IDEA as to where to start.
The reason I decided to post this on mtgs (besides desperation) is that on occasion, I have seen a fellow magic player with a decent looking alternative girl, to a much higher concentration than i would have "in the wild."
TL:DR, Halp guys, where do goth girls hang out?
I'd start by finding one or two friends in said scene and start there - the shallow end - and work towards the deep end over time.
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Statistically goths absolutely loathe everything your type represents and is. Crap the nerd has a better shot with the prom queen because he can probably help her with a test or something and then get a date as a reward via bargaining.
I won't say its truly impossible but you basically have to change everything about yourself legitimately or become a total poser that just pretends to be a goth.
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You know I've actually put a lot of thought into this, and while I agree that it's going to be difficult, I'm confident that I can overcome any differences our cliques may have had in high school through sheer force of will.
I'm convinced the hardest part is finding them.
Find more of these magic players who have mastered the arts of hygiene and social communication. Assimilate into their play group. Go to Denny's with them at 2am. Attend large social gatherings at individual houses. Follow them to dark dance halls with certain bands playing. Beware, the better bands will charge somewhere between Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Tarmogoyf for the price of admission.
Barring assimilation and going the loner route, go to any public coffee house or college and start reading "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" or "A Game of Thrones" ... or "50 Shades of Grey" if you enjoy awkward conversations.
Drawing is another good activity to do in public. A lot of artsy girls are also very scene, and if you're good then you deserve the attention.
Also @ misclick it's actually fairly normal to be interested in another person because of a specific look or attitude. It's actually pretty much the entire basis of physical attraction. So if you think that makes him come across as objectifying and misogynistic then I don't think you actually know what those words mean.
Seriously though the above guy that suggested you make some goth/alternative friends is actually pretty spot on. Spend a little bit of time in the scene and you'll find out everything you need to know.
start here.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/qxts-newark
No, I see what he means by that. The fact that I'm actually BRACKETING my search criteria in a mate so to speak is a bit on the vapid side, I'd agree.
But it's my life.
I have a preexisting hand injury, 4 of my fingers are nonfunctional. Aside from that, my art talent is nonexistent. doesn't seem too possible to me lol.
While I can't say that I would listen to any of those bands on my own, I guess a concert wouldn't be such a bad place to start. or specifically, the concert parking lot after the show.
This is coming from someone with 2 fully usable digits per hand myself from syndactyly (although my others are limited, not non-functional)
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
Also done some glass-blowing with my cousin's husband that I thought was quite good for an amateur as well as always being good with clay. Oh and stained glass I was pretty adept with as well, alas when I moved back to Maryland I don't have a neighbor with a stained glass kiln anymore though, and they're too damn pricy for a hobby.
And yea, he answered in the midst of my typing, but photography is an "anyone can do" thing assuming you've got at least 1 working finger and good eyes. Mostly eyes.
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
My apologies, Vaclav. Didn't mean to steal your thunder.
Reflexes can also be quite important to photographers, depending on what type of expression you're looking for.
Didn't take any of my thunder - I'd forgotten photography - I don't do it personally.
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
Most people do, and to be fair it's difficult to prove yourself more than a photochopper in this day and age.. you actually have to show you have the necessary skillset to figure out lighting, composition, framing, etc. before girls will fall all over you.
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
Tacit implication that all you have to know is the terms well enough to fake expertise.
If you want Goth, you might get to know their favorite bands and go to a metal show. Don't dress like them, be different. Stay in your jock-like style, but hang with metalheads and you're good to go.
It becomes easier with time - the more you know about their "environment", the easier it gets.
People take offense very easily these days.
As a former active part of local rock community I couldn't give a crap. It's not like he's gonna "steal" my women.
Everyone has an associated stigma. Goths, hipsters, jocks, clubbers, nerds, mtgplayers, etc. We well never be fully understood for who we are just by the looks. If he's into goth-looking-girls, let him have fun with them. It's not objectification, it's just knowing what is attractive to you.
They're not your friends. You probably live thousands of miles away from him.
Hoooray for segregation.
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While that is, in general, true, this thread is an example where they should take offense.
The premise of the thread is "LoL, how can I convince girls of X-subgroup to sleep with me". The original poster is interested in nothing other than his own desire to "get laid". It shows an absolute lack of respect for women.
No, of course he's not. But, for some odd reason, people tend to get defensive about people they like and consider friends. Go figure.
Its absolutley objectification. He basically said he doesn't give a rats ass about the women, he just thinks the look is hot and wants to sleep with them. He is treating them like objects built for his personal pleasure. That is the definition of objectification.
When I was in high school this is where all the goth kids were. A higher percentage of goths play magic. I would try a few local stores.
Got the vibe that most of them were deranged, mentally disturbed, and emotionally unstable.
Wow this thread is getting out of control pretty fast.
I personally have several goth friends who I play magic with and they are some of the nicest people and perhaps more stable than many of my friends from law school.
This quote is just ridiculous. I am not a goth (I am actually very preppy) but this statement is just offensive to me.