Why is it that every time a thread like this comes up (and there is an argument) everyone has a degree in psychology? MTGS seems to be made up of 85% multi-degree psychology majors.
Well, to be fair, psychology is a joke of a degree to obtain. I was a psych major right up until senior year of college, and I can say with a fair amount of certainty that about 70% of the people in those classes are only there because they're easy and its like getting a free degree.
My ex was one of the 30% that took it seriously, and she's now getting her doctorate, but most people don't care that much. I certainly didn't. That's why I jumped ship.
Why is it that every time a thread like this comes up (and there is an argument) everyone has a degree in psychology? MTGS seems to be made up of 85% multi-degree psychology majors..
It's super easy to attain. I double majored in polisci and psych with a minor in econ. All within 3 years. Psych is like the liberals of degrees. Super easy to get and no one takes it serious till you become a master of it.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
Honestly dude it sounds like she was/is interested in you.
The problem is that you asked her if she liked you. Assertiveness is one of the main qualities women look for in men. By telling her you liked her then asking her if she felt the same, that came off as being weak.
You need to just make a move on her. Don't ask her if she likes you, just make a move. Confident and assertive men don't ask, they just go for it. Even if you've misread all of her signals and she denies your move she'll still respect you more for having made a move than if you just ask her if she likes you.
It's super easy to attain. I double majored in polisci and psych with a minor in econ. All within 3 years. Psych is like the liberals of degrees. Super easy to get and no one takes it serious till you become a master of it.
If they are so easy to obtain then why does everyone brag about it in a thread? Like it qualifies them to be a better advice-giver on a MTG forum. That is what I don't understand.
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If they are so easy to obtain then why does everyone brag about it in a thread? Like it qualifies them to be a better advice-giver on a MTG forum. That is what I don't understand.
I have two friends. One is a head-chef at a local restaurant, the other knows what an egg is. Both offer to cook dinner, which do you prefer do the cooking?
Qualifications are good. If they weren't then they wouldn't be used. At all.
Kiss test. Kiss her, learn the answer to all of your questions.
nobody responded to the first time you posted that because it was terrible advice. going into detail didn't make it any better. just being honest, bro.
I can give you the female point of view on this matter, I agree when they say do the kiss test, but first you should court her for awhile. This is what happened with me and my boyfriend.
After my break-up with my ex I was seriously hurt and wasn't looking to find another person to fill that hole. For crying out loud I had been broken up with on a trip that I went on to spend time with the ex who I was still with till he decided to leave me the saturday night of the 3 day trip. For the easiness of writting this I am going to refer to my ex as B and my now boyfriend as A.
After B broke up with me I had to go through the next day seeing mutual friends being happy (not about the break up) because of the fun they had, any fun I had was now ruined. Then I had to spend the next 17 hours in B's company while we all went out to dinner, took a bus to a subway, chill out for awhile in Toronto then head over to the bus station. Then take a bus from Toronto to Cornwall I think and transfer into the next bus. I had to sit next to B on both bus rides. Ofcourse instead of stopping in the suburbs it went straight to Montreal. So I had to take a few metros and a bus back home with my B and three of our friends.
For a long while I was still upset and wanted to get back together with B. In the mean while A who liked me wanted to confort me. A and I went to see the A team (I paid my own way) together and then because I couldn't get ahold of my parents to pick me up from the movies A drove me home.
Over time A and I spent more time together as we found out many interests we shared, which included Magic. I was a real noob back then as I had been taught by very casual players, so when A took me to my first Pre-release, after spending a lot of time together before hand (through out the month June and July), I lost a lot of matches but it was to be expexted as he built the deck from my pool that I really hadn't looked at. We then went to a Chinese restaurant with some friends where I paid my own way.
The following weekend we went to the launch party and I had fun, as I had always had with him. My emotions for him had been growing more and more over the time we spent together. I even had a friend of mine who had gone to highschool with A tell me that the way he was with me was how A was with girls that he liked. I was happy to hear this, but on the sunday launch party I met a girl I really didn't like after A and I had gone mini-golfing with some friends. This girl didn't like me either and the only reason we were hanging with her was because as we were going to the town a friend of ours lived A was like oh we should call L(this is what I will call her). He had to go into her appartment and get her, I was not happy and I was sad thinking that my other friend who told me about how A was with girls he liked was wrong about A's feelings.
A treated me and L to ice cream and told our friend that she could buy her own iced cream. I figured that A liked L and only saw me as a friend, I had been friendzoned by guys in the past but they had never 'lead me on' like this. I felt especially like he was leading me on with how L was glaring at me.
Needless to say A drove me home like he always did we said good night and nothing else.
The next day I was on my laptop talking to A and he asked if I wanted to come over and I said sure why not.
We watched movies together and as it got closer to the time to drive me home I shifted my possition on the couch so I could give him a hug. I moved back slowly after, our faces were close, I wanted to kiss him but at the same time I figured he wouldn't want that. Suddenly he kisses me and slowly lowers me on the couch so he can confortable kiss me while he is on top of me. I was surprised at first but this is what I was hoping for so I kissed back. After about a minute he askes me if I will be his girlfriend, to which I tell him yes and we continued kissing. That was the nutshell of it but 2 years later and we are still together and are very happy, we are the loves of each other's life.
It's 2 years today actually, so moral of the story is keep courting her and eventually, when you think the time is right kiss her. If it is meant to be then all will be good, after all she is interested in you just not ready. So good luck, I hope you two get together and are the loves of each other's lives.
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Waste of time, she's put up a sign in the window that said "closed for business." I remain agnostic whether what her motivations are, but waiting around for her is a waste of time. You kissed a nice frog, didn't pop out a princess that you could make your queen. Time to move on to the next frog.
This is the best advice towards women I've ever heard.
Don't waste your time on her. It's obvious you have feelings for her and you are only going to get friend-zoned and end up with your feelings hurt.
Cut it off and find someone else.
You don't have to be rude to her. Be nice but I would advise against hanging out with her.
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since everyone is telling their life story I will add mine so you know why Im giving this advice.
Meet this girl through friends. We go out a few times.
I tell her I like her, she says she just wants to be friends.
We keep hanging out. She starts being really nice to me, texting me stuff like "sweet dreams. had a super fun time talk to you in the morning! <3" and similar texts in the morning.
I say well, that is a sign she wants more than friendship!
I try again and she gets all mad "I only want to be friends!"
I ask her why she is sending me all these text messages?
"Oh I do that with all my guy friends"
So I stop hanging out with her. I'm now seeing someone who is amazing, and when I see this other girl she gets all weird, (jealous?) and then starts calling me.
Not sure if she was playing games or what but the only game I play is Magic: the Gathering.
But then again, maybe it will work out for you. Every case is different. Only hang out with her if you don't mind being friends and nothing else because she may never have feelings for you.
Which is okay. You will meet someone if you put yourself out there.
And hanging out with females is never a bad thing. It makes the other women know that you aren't a total creep and probably a great guy!
You guys really think that attempting contact with someone is a bad way to learn if she is receptive to contact from you. Wow.
What I meant was, please continue to have people give you a myriad of ways to interpret YOUR description of her actions and comments, notice that people are saying two polar opposite things, realize you havent learned anything, and hopefully come to the conclusion that the only way to find out is to TRY.
As long as you are both mature individuals about it, if you try to kiss her and she isnt receptive, you both get over it quickly and move on and things go back to how they were very quickly, no loss, and only a gain of either the information you are looking for, or the outcome you are looking for.
You people seems to want to make this so much more difficult and complicated than it is.
You're asking for dating advice from a demographic that is notoriously socially inept and misogynistic. That is probably a bad idea.
Eh, Magic players aren't that bad. If anything, Patrick Chapin should be the standard by which we set most Magic players as far as social awkwardness. He can be strange, but nobody can deny that he's one classy mother ****er.
Ever been in a room of Yu-Gi-Oh! players, though? Now that's social awkwardness.
Have you seen Sam Black.... The guy is a genius at magic but his interviews are really bad....
That's true. He lives in Orlando, and I can say that he's pretty bad in person too.
I've met tons of people from socially inept to everyday folks though. Most of them are just normal dudes, too, especially if you play in more casual settings.
I am sure that Sam is a very nice guy and I would love to play against him. I would even ask him to sign my playmat. But would I ask him for dating advice? Probably not.
Idk guys. While some of the magic community might not shave or...uh, clean, most of us do. I can tell you that I hold my current career simply because I am the opposite of socially awkward. I am a huge geek, nerd, dweeb, whatever term you wanna use. I can safely say that I've never been classified as someone who is anti-social though...
I didn't mean everyone who plays magic is socially awkward. What I meant was that a magic forum may not be the best website (assuming online advice is useful at all) to post about a romantic issue.
I know several people who play magic and are very outgoing. But I also know a few players who don't shower, burp a ton, and cannot hold a conversation.
I am just trying to make the point that the original poster should take everything with a grain of salt.
I didn't mean everyone who plays magic is socially awkward. What I meant was that a magic forum may not be the best website (assuming online advice is useful at all) to post about a romantic issue.
I know several people who play magic and are very outgoing. But I also know a few players who don't shower, burp a ton, and cannot hold a conversation.
I am just trying to make the point that the original poster should take everything with a grain of salt.
Real life advice is often just as, if not more useless.
Real life advice is often just as, if not more useless.
Not true. The level of anonymity on the internet is what makes online advice way way way worse than real life advice. Anyone can say they're a womanizer on the internet and get away with bad advice just by lying about how great it worked for them or saying something completely untrue about the female mind. It's just way easier to pull that kind of crap on the internet. Have you ever been on Yahoo Answers dating advice section? There's no credibility at all, which makes their answers just stupid.
In real life, when you get advice from a friend, they can not only understand your situation better, but you can know if they're being straight-up with you. You will KNOW that they have your best interest in mind, and also that their opinion has more credibility to it (such as you know they actually have a girlfriend or you know they've actually gone through what you have) than the opinions you see on the internet.
I've probably misinterpreted what you just said, but still, what I said is worth putting out there. Advice can be worthless whether it's online or offline -- but if you get it from the right person in real life, it's definitely worth it.
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But your friends aren't going to give you the same level of honesty, and may not be as well equipped to give you real advice.
Wading through the trolls on the internet is a problem with everything on the internet, but there are a good number of people who give good advice on this forum.
Friends will have some sort of emotional/personal investment into whatever is happening. In comparison, random folks online generally do not have the same kind of emotional/personal investment. That allows random folks online to give more "unbiased", for the lack of a better term, advice.
The trade-off being that any information that random folks online have are your words. That means that we will become biased towards your perspective depending on how much information you give and how you portray the entire situation.
In short, both sides will be biased. There's no avoiding this.
In real life, when you get advice from a friend, they can not only understand your situation better, but you can know if they're being straight-up with you. You will KNOW that they have your best interest in mind, and also that their opinion has more credibility to it (such as you know they actually have a girlfriend or you know they've actually gone through what you have) than the opinions you see on the internet.
This is a logical fallacy, largely because you're assuming that
A) Your friends always have your best interest at heart.
B) They always have all the necessary information and will never be biased.
"A" is a tricky issue and depends entirely on individual personalities and the strength of friendships. However, I will say that it's a mistake to merely assume that, because your friends have your best interest at heart, they'll give you sound and good advice. Having another's best interest at heart merely means that you'll give an advice that they feel is the best. That doesn't give it true rational weight. The only way an advice is sound is whether it's sound advice or not. That people have your best interest at heart doesn't make an unsound advice into a good one.
Regarding "B"- No one ever has all the necessary information to make an unbiased, "fair" conclusion. While it could be assumed that the friend will have more information than we do, that is merely an assumption. A very large number of people keep relationship/personal issues private, and thus keep information related to them private. For example, I didn't even know that my mom was horribly depressed after getting her chemotherapy sessions done. Based upon what she's said/her actions, I thought that she was perfectly fine.
One can never assume that they have all the information required to make a judgment. One is merely making judgments based upon the information at hand. Thus, the advice that random folks online give you should carry about as much weight as the ones your friends give you.
Should you listen more to rl friends and family over random folks online? Sure, but not because their advice has more weight. You should listen to them solely because they'll give you more personal advice.
My point is not about real life advice or internet advice. At the end of the day original poster knows much more about the situation than us or his friends. We have never met original poster nor the girl he is interested in. And no matter how well of a writer he is he can not tell us the whole story. In fact there may be key points of the interaction that original poster has chosen to leave out for personal reasons.
As to the point about friends, I agree some of them may not have your best interest at heart or even if they do they just might not get it.
Original poster should do what he believes is best for himself given all the surrounding circumstances. I wish him the best of luck and hope that he figures things out himself.
You guys really think that attempting contact with someone is a bad way to learn if she is receptive to contact from you. Wow.
What I meant was, please continue to have people give you a myriad of ways to interpret YOUR description of her actions and comments, notice that people are saying two polar opposite things, realize you havent learned anything, and hopefully come to the conclusion that the only way to find out is to TRY.
As long as you are both mature individuals about it, if you try to kiss her and she isnt receptive, you both get over it quickly and move on and things go back to how they were very quickly, no loss, and only a gain of either the information you are looking for, or the outcome you are looking for.
You people seems to want to make this so much more difficult and complicated than it is.
I, more or less, agree with you Doodle. When you hang out with her, see if she's receptive to being physically close. Try to read those signals to see if she likes you in that way, but if she's constantly batting you away or shutting you down, then she's probably not into you.
And if you don't think you can read those signals or if you can't figure which way she's leaning, go for a kiss (in a respectable manner). No one will think you're a jerk or an *******, you're just a dude that likes a girl. Nothing wrong with that.
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Well, to be fair, psychology is a joke of a degree to obtain. I was a psych major right up until senior year of college, and I can say with a fair amount of certainty that about 70% of the people in those classes are only there because they're easy and its like getting a free degree.
My ex was one of the 30% that took it seriously, and she's now getting her doctorate, but most people don't care that much. I certainly didn't. That's why I jumped ship.
Because we care about facts.
It's super easy to attain. I double majored in polisci and psych with a minor in econ. All within 3 years. Psych is like the liberals of degrees. Super easy to get and no one takes it serious till you become a master of it.
The problem is that you asked her if she liked you. Assertiveness is one of the main qualities women look for in men. By telling her you liked her then asking her if she felt the same, that came off as being weak.
You need to just make a move on her. Don't ask her if she likes you, just make a move. Confident and assertive men don't ask, they just go for it. Even if you've misread all of her signals and she denies your move she'll still respect you more for having made a move than if you just ask her if she likes you.
If they are so easy to obtain then why does everyone brag about it in a thread? Like it qualifies them to be a better advice-giver on a MTG forum. That is what I don't understand.
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Qualifications are good. If they weren't then they wouldn't be used. At all.
nobody responded to the first time you posted that because it was terrible advice. going into detail didn't make it any better. just being honest, bro.
After my break-up with my ex I was seriously hurt and wasn't looking to find another person to fill that hole. For crying out loud I had been broken up with on a trip that I went on to spend time with the ex who I was still with till he decided to leave me the saturday night of the 3 day trip. For the easiness of writting this I am going to refer to my ex as B and my now boyfriend as A.
After B broke up with me I had to go through the next day seeing mutual friends being happy (not about the break up) because of the fun they had, any fun I had was now ruined. Then I had to spend the next 17 hours in B's company while we all went out to dinner, took a bus to a subway, chill out for awhile in Toronto then head over to the bus station. Then take a bus from Toronto to Cornwall I think and transfer into the next bus. I had to sit next to B on both bus rides. Ofcourse instead of stopping in the suburbs it went straight to Montreal. So I had to take a few metros and a bus back home with my B and three of our friends.
For a long while I was still upset and wanted to get back together with B. In the mean while A who liked me wanted to confort me. A and I went to see the A team (I paid my own way) together and then because I couldn't get ahold of my parents to pick me up from the movies A drove me home.
Over time A and I spent more time together as we found out many interests we shared, which included Magic. I was a real noob back then as I had been taught by very casual players, so when A took me to my first Pre-release, after spending a lot of time together before hand (through out the month June and July), I lost a lot of matches but it was to be expexted as he built the deck from my pool that I really hadn't looked at. We then went to a Chinese restaurant with some friends where I paid my own way.
The following weekend we went to the launch party and I had fun, as I had always had with him. My emotions for him had been growing more and more over the time we spent together. I even had a friend of mine who had gone to highschool with A tell me that the way he was with me was how A was with girls that he liked. I was happy to hear this, but on the sunday launch party I met a girl I really didn't like after A and I had gone mini-golfing with some friends. This girl didn't like me either and the only reason we were hanging with her was because as we were going to the town a friend of ours lived A was like oh we should call L(this is what I will call her). He had to go into her appartment and get her, I was not happy and I was sad thinking that my other friend who told me about how A was with girls he liked was wrong about A's feelings.
A treated me and L to ice cream and told our friend that she could buy her own iced cream. I figured that A liked L and only saw me as a friend, I had been friendzoned by guys in the past but they had never 'lead me on' like this. I felt especially like he was leading me on with how L was glaring at me.
Needless to say A drove me home like he always did we said good night and nothing else.
The next day I was on my laptop talking to A and he asked if I wanted to come over and I said sure why not.
We watched movies together and as it got closer to the time to drive me home I shifted my possition on the couch so I could give him a hug. I moved back slowly after, our faces were close, I wanted to kiss him but at the same time I figured he wouldn't want that. Suddenly he kisses me and slowly lowers me on the couch so he can confortable kiss me while he is on top of me. I was surprised at first but this is what I was hoping for so I kissed back. After about a minute he askes me if I will be his girlfriend, to which I tell him yes and we continued kissing. That was the nutshell of it but 2 years later and we are still together and are very happy, we are the loves of each other's life.
It's 2 years today actually, so moral of the story is keep courting her and eventually, when you think the time is right kiss her. If it is meant to be then all will be good, after all she is interested in you just not ready. So good luck, I hope you two get together and are the loves of each other's lives.
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This is the best advice. Use your own life experiences to figure out if she likes you. Relationship advice on mtgsalvation is suspect at best.
This is the best advice towards women I've ever heard.
Don't waste your time on her. It's obvious you have feelings for her and you are only going to get friend-zoned and end up with your feelings hurt.
Cut it off and find someone else.
You don't have to be rude to her. Be nice but I would advise against hanging out with her.
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since everyone is telling their life story I will add mine so you know why Im giving this advice.
Meet this girl through friends. We go out a few times.
I tell her I like her, she says she just wants to be friends.
We keep hanging out. She starts being really nice to me, texting me stuff like "sweet dreams. had a super fun time talk to you in the morning! <3" and similar texts in the morning.
I say well, that is a sign she wants more than friendship!
I try again and she gets all mad "I only want to be friends!"
I ask her why she is sending me all these text messages?
"Oh I do that with all my guy friends"
So I stop hanging out with her. I'm now seeing someone who is amazing, and when I see this other girl she gets all weird, (jealous?) and then starts calling me.
Not sure if she was playing games or what but the only game I play is Magic: the Gathering.
But then again, maybe it will work out for you. Every case is different. Only hang out with her if you don't mind being friends and nothing else because she may never have feelings for you.
Which is okay. You will meet someone if you put yourself out there.
And hanging out with females is never a bad thing. It makes the other women know that you aren't a total creep and probably a great guy!
What I meant was, please continue to have people give you a myriad of ways to interpret YOUR description of her actions and comments, notice that people are saying two polar opposite things, realize you havent learned anything, and hopefully come to the conclusion that the only way to find out is to TRY.
As long as you are both mature individuals about it, if you try to kiss her and she isnt receptive, you both get over it quickly and move on and things go back to how they were very quickly, no loss, and only a gain of either the information you are looking for, or the outcome you are looking for.
You people seems to want to make this so much more difficult and complicated than it is.
Eh, Magic players aren't that bad. If anything, Patrick Chapin should be the standard by which we set most Magic players as far as social awkwardness. He can be strange, but nobody can deny that he's one classy mother ****er.
Ever been in a room of Yu-Gi-Oh! players, though? Now that's social awkwardness.
Because we care about facts.
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That's true. He lives in Orlando, and I can say that he's pretty bad in person too.
I've met tons of people from socially inept to everyday folks though. Most of them are just normal dudes, too, especially if you play in more casual settings.
Because we care about facts.
I know several people who play magic and are very outgoing. But I also know a few players who don't shower, burp a ton, and cannot hold a conversation.
I am just trying to make the point that the original poster should take everything with a grain of salt.
Real life advice is often just as, if not more useless.
Because we care about facts.
In real life, when you get advice from a friend, they can not only understand your situation better, but you can know if they're being straight-up with you. You will KNOW that they have your best interest in mind, and also that their opinion has more credibility to it (such as you know they actually have a girlfriend or you know they've actually gone through what you have) than the opinions you see on the internet.
I've probably misinterpreted what you just said, but still, what I said is worth putting out there. Advice can be worthless whether it's online or offline -- but if you get it from the right person in real life, it's definitely worth it.
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But your friends aren't going to give you the same level of honesty, and may not be as well equipped to give you real advice.
Wading through the trolls on the internet is a problem with everything on the internet, but there are a good number of people who give good advice on this forum.
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The trade-off being that any information that random folks online have are your words. That means that we will become biased towards your perspective depending on how much information you give and how you portray the entire situation.
In short, both sides will be biased. There's no avoiding this.
This is a logical fallacy, largely because you're assuming that
A) Your friends always have your best interest at heart.
B) They always have all the necessary information and will never be biased.
"A" is a tricky issue and depends entirely on individual personalities and the strength of friendships. However, I will say that it's a mistake to merely assume that, because your friends have your best interest at heart, they'll give you sound and good advice. Having another's best interest at heart merely means that you'll give an advice that they feel is the best. That doesn't give it true rational weight. The only way an advice is sound is whether it's sound advice or not. That people have your best interest at heart doesn't make an unsound advice into a good one.
Regarding "B"- No one ever has all the necessary information to make an unbiased, "fair" conclusion. While it could be assumed that the friend will have more information than we do, that is merely an assumption. A very large number of people keep relationship/personal issues private, and thus keep information related to them private. For example, I didn't even know that my mom was horribly depressed after getting her chemotherapy sessions done. Based upon what she's said/her actions, I thought that she was perfectly fine.
One can never assume that they have all the information required to make a judgment. One is merely making judgments based upon the information at hand. Thus, the advice that random folks online give you should carry about as much weight as the ones your friends give you.
Should you listen more to rl friends and family over random folks online? Sure, but not because their advice has more weight. You should listen to them solely because they'll give you more personal advice.
As to the point about friends, I agree some of them may not have your best interest at heart or even if they do they just might not get it.
Original poster should do what he believes is best for himself given all the surrounding circumstances. I wish him the best of luck and hope that he figures things out himself.
I don't know who said this but they were probably famous.
I, more or less, agree with you Doodle. When you hang out with her, see if she's receptive to being physically close. Try to read those signals to see if she likes you in that way, but if she's constantly batting you away or shutting you down, then she's probably not into you.
And if you don't think you can read those signals or if you can't figure which way she's leaning, go for a kiss (in a respectable manner). No one will think you're a jerk or an *******, you're just a dude that likes a girl. Nothing wrong with that.