Hello all! This is the official thread for any general CCC&G Pro Tour discussion, as well as the place to find all the latest updates and official standings.
How the Circuit works:
Each year there will be two seasons of Premier Events:
Season One starts in December and runs through May of the following year, feeding the Summer Pro Tour, which will take place in the month of June.
Season Two starts in June, concurrently with the Summer Pro Tour, and runs through November of the same year. Season Two will feed the Winter Pro Tour, which runs concurrently with the start of Season One.
The Pro Tours will be multi-format from week to week, as they are intended to be a well-rounded test of card design skill.
Each Pro Tour will be invite-only, and will be a continuous submission format. This means that instead of players being eliminated, they will accrue points each round and be able to submit entries each round. Finally, the top two scorers from this process will enter a final duel in order to determine the Pro Tour Champion!
As of now, the exact judging process for the Pro Tour has not been decided. As we get closer to the Summer Pro Tour 2012, we will solidify this process.
Each Pro Tour will have 24 slots available. There are three ways to get one:
1. Win a Monthly Qualifier Event! MQs are your well-loved monthly card design contests:
Monthly Qualifier Events
- Monthly Card Contest
- Card Creation League
- Daily Card Contest
- Club Flamingo Monthly Games
A win in any of these games will earn you a slot for the next Pro Tour. To see which games award Pro Points and invites, simply look for the [MQ] tag in the thread title.
2. Be a champion! If you make the finals (the top 2) of a Pro Tour, you will be automatically qualified to enter the next one.
3. Get Pro Points! We anticipate that some slots normally allocated to the monthlies will be doubled up. That is to say, some people will win more than one event. In this case, that leaves an open slot. After all of the MQ winners are slotted in, if there are additional slots, we will fill those from the top of the Pro Point list.
If there is a tie for the 24th invite (for example if the players are on the same points), then all tied players will receive an invite. This may result in individual Pro Tour events having slightly more participants, but as the competition is not elimination-based, this should not cause significant problems.
Placing well in the MQs will earn you Pro Points which count towards the Player of the Year title, as well as for slots in the PTs themselves. In general, the point breakdown will be the following:
Monthly Qualifier Prize Breakdown
Winner: 10 Pro Points + PT invite
Finalist: 8 Pro Points
Top 4: 4 Pro Points
Top 8/Final Round Participants: 2 Pro Points
Pro Tour Prize Breakdown
Winner: 25 Pro Points + PT invite + Trophy
Finalist: 20 Pro Points + PT invite
Top 4: 15 Pro Points
Top 8: 10 Pro Points
9-12: 5 Pro Points
13+: 2 Pro Points
These point totals are subject to change. However, we will be using this point breakdown for the moment.
In addition, there will be bonus Pro Points available for those who host a Premier Event, or who judge in the MCC. These are 4 points for organizing, and 2 points for judging in the MCC.
Pro Points will be recorded in three ways:
1) Seasonal Pro Points: This list is relevant for Pro Tour Invites, and contains points earned in the six month season feeding a Pro Tour i.e. Dec-May / Jun-Nov.
2) Annual Pro Points: This list is used to detemine PotY i.e. Dec-Nov + that year's Pro Tours.
3) Lifetime Pro Points: A list of all Pro Points ever earned.
At first this may appear a little complicated; however, all it means is that you can check each list to see how you are doing in the invite race, the PotY race, and in total. It does not affect the number of points awarded in any way.
Pro Points will also count toward the Player of the Year title. At the end of December, the player with the most pro points for the year will win the title! There's a little bit of a strange breakdown here, but it goes like this:
For 2012, the POY will be decided by the following:
All MQ events starting from December 2011 through November 2012
2012 Summer PT
2012 Winter PT
Yes, that means that the Monthly events for December 2012 will count for 2013's POY. Weird, but it makes sense given how the seasons break down.
From now on, the standard trophies that will be awarded in CCC&G will be the following.
Summer Pro Tour Champion
Winter Pro Tour Champion
Player of the Year
Card Maker of the Year
The Pro Tour Champion trophies are just that — trophies for winning the PTs. POY is determined by the pro point leader, as detailed above. Card Maker of the Year will be as it is now, with a nomination period followed by public voting in December.
To facilitate the CCC+G Pro Tour Circuit, we have established a Pro Tour Committee to manage the Invitationals and MQs, keep player records and statistics, and work with the community to make the CCC+G Pro Tour the best thing possible.
With one exception, each member of the committee will be serving as the overseer for one of the MQs, broken down as follows:
Megiddo will oversee all of the Club Flamingo Monthly Qualifying games. Megiddo is also the committee chairman. Moss_Elemental will oversee the MCC. Gerrard's Mom will oversee the CCL. MDenham and void_nothing will work together to oversee the DCC. Prophylaxis will serve as the Pro Tour Statistician and maintain this thread with updated pro points and qualifications.
If you have a question, comment, or issue with a MQ, these are the people to talk to. However, we recommend first talking with the organizer of the current game in question (with the exception of the DCC, where you may go directly to MDenham or void_nothing). If you are unable to resolve your issue satisfactorily, feel free to then move up the chain to the appropriate committee member. You can, of course, always post in this thread, but we recommend against that, at least initially.
Issues with the pro tour in general can be sent to Megiddo or posted in this thread.
The Point of All This
We want to make CCC+G as fun as possible for everybody. Because of this it is important that we get regular feedback about how the circuit is running. This is the thread to do so, so if you have any comments, suggestions, or queries, please post them here rather than individual contest threads.
Just for S&G, what would a person need to do to be a part of the 'committee'?
Speaking of which also, I will be PMing you in regards to something in which bothers me about a particular aspect of this. Maybe we can facilitate this.
Just for S&G, what would a person need to do to be a part of the 'committee'?
Speaking of which also, I will be PMing you in regards to something in which bothers me about a particular aspect of this. Maybe we can facilitate this.
The committee was chosen beforehand.
I suggest sending communication to me, also. I'd be happy to discuss any aspect of the system, especially before we really get into it full force.
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I have a question - seeing that this was enacted pretty close to the January DCC, will I still get my trophy?
January trophies will still be awarded, though TBH I actually forgot you won. Putting in the request now...
All of the January games will receive trophies, since that was before we enacted the policy. Due to the DCC lapsing this month I was considering not awarding trophies for February at all, but if there's significant opposition to that idea I could be swayed. For now though, January is the end of traditional trophies here in CCC.
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March is the first month where all of our Monthly Qualifiers are running full-steam, so I'm very excited to really usher in the new Pro Tour Circuit.
Have fun, everybody!
Other bookkeeping announcements: The MCC will no longer receive sticky threads for the individual rounds. The discussion threads for the DCC, CCL, and MCC will stay stuck though. This thread also exists for general MQ discussion, of course.
The MCC Hall of Fame has also been moved into the Card of the Month subforum.
I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions on how qualifying contests that are longer than a month should be handled. Contests such as the Mechanic Creator's Contest, Magic Wars, or Design Idol might take significantly more than a month. Do we want to allow these contests to contribute points and invites to the Invitational? I see a couple of options:
1. Only the MCC, DCC, CCL, and monthly Flamingo games qualify people.
2. Long-format games qualify more people, at a rate of roughly one per month of length. So if we run Magic Wars for two months, the top 2 finishers could qualify. Should everyone else receive double points?
3. Long-format games qualify one winner, points the same as any monthly contest.
Should there be a limit on the number of long-format games run per season? This depends somewhat on how long they actually are, we could support say three two month games, run one at a time, or maybe allow a couple to go on simultaneously, but stagger the entry periods somewhat to allow people to pick them up, starting mid-month for example to avoid overlapping with the beginning and end of the monthly games.
I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions on how qualifying contests that are longer than a month should be handled. Contests such as the Mechanic Creator's Contest, Magic Wars, or Design Idol might take significantly more than a month. Do we want to allow these contests to contribute points and invites to the Invitational? I see a couple of options:
1. Only the MCC, DCC, CCL, and monthly Flamingo games qualify people.
2. Long-format games qualify more people, at a rate of roughly one per month of length. So if we run Magic Wars for two months, the top 2 finishers could qualify. Should everyone else receive double points?
3. Long-format games qualify one winner, points the same as any monthly contest.
Should there be a limit on the number of long-format games run per season? This depends somewhat on how long they actually are, we could support say three two month games, run one at a time, or maybe allow a couple to go on simultaneously, but stagger the entry periods somewhat to allow people to pick them up, starting mid-month for example to avoid overlapping with the beginning and end of the monthly games.
My vote is for Option 1, but possibly awarding pro points for the longer-form games without offering guaranteed qualifiers. But also possibly not. I don't want there to be so many point-awarding or spot-awarding games that the only players who make it are those with the most free time. I don't mean that condescendingly or negatively — I just think the current system does a good job of giving people equal shot, and of offering enough variety.
I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions on how qualifying contests that are longer than a month should be handled. Contests such as the Mechanic Creator's Contest, Magic Wars, or Design Idol might take significantly more than a month. Do we want to allow these contests to contribute points and invites to the Invitational? I see a couple of options:
1. Only the MCC, DCC, CCL, and monthly Flamingo games qualify people.
2. Long-format games qualify more people, at a rate of roughly one per month of length. So if we run Magic Wars for two months, the top 2 finishers could qualify. Should everyone else receive double points?
3. Long-format games qualify one winner, points the same as any monthly contest.
Should there be a limit on the number of long-format games run per season? This depends somewhat on how long they actually are, we could support say three two month games, run one at a time, or maybe allow a couple to go on simultaneously, but stagger the entry periods somewhat to allow people to pick them up, starting mid-month for example to avoid overlapping with the beginning and end of the monthly games.
My vote is for Option 1, but possibly awarding pro points for the longer-form games without offering guaranteed qualifiers. But also possibly not. I don't want there to be so many point-awarding or spot-awarding games that the only players who make it are those with the most free time. I don't mean that condescendingly or negatively — I just think the current system does a good job of giving people equal shot, and of offering enough variety.
Well...
4 MQ games x 6 month season = 24 spots, which equal exactly enough spots to qualify. Obviously there will be some redundancy with winners, but IF there isn't, where would fit in 6 more spots if we ran three 2 month contests? My opinion is that these contests should only effect the pro points (which really only matter for the Card Maker of the Year trophy). The pro points should be doubled since the contests are much longer, which will normally lead to the same outcome anyways of awarding a place in the Pro Tour if there are overlaps with winners.
Check out post #2 for the up to date leaderboard guys.
This doesn't seem to account for the judging points. Has that been decided yet? Also, I think it would be beneficial for the organizers and player base to see which contests have been incorporated into the scores ie.
Player of the Year standings here! (Updates = Strikethrough: MCC February, CCL February, DCC February, CF February):
Prophylaxis 24
Rithaniel 18
MirrorEntity 18
yewlas 14
etc...
-Leaderboard has been updated.
- Judge points have been added.
- Updated to ATTWN I. Socrates has earned an invite to the Pro Tour!
- Google Doc added to post #3 for full details.
The MCC is still looking for judges! This month, ced395 and MirrorEntity will be taking the lead — Help them out by judging! Don't forget, by judging you are guaranteed pro points that count toward your qualification totals! Signups start April 1st!
This month, CFG will be taking a break from brand-new games to revive an old favorite — Transmogrify That Card! Gerrard's Mom will be taking us on a trip down nostalgia lane during April. Signups are open now!
And, of course, the DCC keeps truckin' along every day. Don't forget, if you miss one day, you can still enter! Enter as many or as few times as you like!
March organizers: Don't forget to PM your results to the CCC&G Pro Tour account. It saves work on our end and makes the record keeping go that much more smoothly.
I'm excited for April! Things have been going well so far this year and we're going to try to keep up the momentum for you. That said, don't hesitate to post and comments, questions, or suggestions right here in this thread. I promise everything will be looked at.
Thanks, and have a great month of custom card creation!
***The contents of this post are coming from a bystander who spent quite a bit of time thinking about this. Even though I don't really have any time to play these contests anymore, I still put some thought into this during this time. These thoughts came over the course of a few months, which is why this is only getting posted now and not when the announcement first happened.
The Point of All This
We want to make CCC+G as fun as possible for everybody. Because of this it is important that we get regular feedback about how the circuit is running. This is the thread to do so, so if you have any comments, suggestions, or queries, please post them here rather than individual contest threads.
Thanks,
—The Pro Tour Committee
I'm wondering if I'm alone in my opinion here.
I know that the announcement for this change in how this place was run came back in January, but I didn't have enough points to back up the claim I had at the time.
Am I alone in stating that I don't like the prize support here that much?
(Looking at the original thread this was in, it was 34 in support of this to 4 against, but I don't think there were any posts actually made that stated an opinion against it.)
I know that having 37 trophies a year may be a bit excessive, but cutting it down to 4 seems like a bit much.
So two of these are tied in to year-round things (Player of the Year, Card Maker of the Year), which kinda makes sense.
The other two, however:
To even get a chance of winning one of these, you must win an MQ (or have a really high score among non-winners, we'll get to that part later on). Most of these MQs (MCC, DCC, CCL) are things that made you win a trophy under the old system. Now, if you win one of these contests, you have a chance to win a trophy, and based on what I'm reading, it looks like the Pro Tour would be another contest that might work in a similar way to the MCC or CCL.
The part about high scorers among non-winners pretty much means you should play (almost) every MQ there is, and get a good score on as many as possible in order to get a chance to get these wildcard spots. It seems logical that a person who does this well should be allowed to qualify, so I'm fine with this.
However, the actual thing about having to win the Pro Tour to get a trophy though, is where I kinda think it's a bit too hard compared to the previous system. First you have to qualify in one of the ways that was mentioned, then you need to win a specific contest (the Pro Tour itself) to get a trophy. If you don't win, the next chance you get is six months later. where you must (pretty much) repeat the same process again (unless you were second place in the previous PT, in which case you may skip the first part of the process).
Now I guess this is coming from someone who liked the old system and is used to it; maybe if it was like this from the start, this post wouldn't exist.
But am I the only one thinking there are too few trophies now?
The contents of the spoiler below are the changes I would make assuming I was in charge (in case anyone is open to suggestions). While I don't expect you to change the system immediately because one random bystander said so, I still have an opinion to share.
In order to find a middleground between the 37 trophies per year as it was before and the four trophies per year as it is now, what I'd suggest is inspired by the Poetry Running Contest that happens in Personal Writing:
Award one trophy for every three wins in MCC, CCL, and/or DCC, rather than one for every single win. That cuts it down to (expected value) 16 trophies a year.
(PRC gives an expected value of one every three weeks, which makes an expected value of ~17.3 trophies per year, so 16 per year isn't unreasonable.)
Anyways, so this is a long post from me. I'm not going to outright reject the idea of a CCC&G Pro Tour, but my points stand.
But am I the only one thinking there are too few trophies now?
To be honest, I'd prefer to have other forums cut down on the number of awarded trophies as well. Somewhere around 15-20 trophies a year between the entire site would make more sense.
I'm very reluctant to change anything before we at the very least see how this system works.
I have nothing to say regarding the perceived value of trophies or whatnot, but I'm open to entertaining this conversation in December after we see how it goes.
—:meg:
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This just occurred to me, but presuming the Pro Tour is a month long event, for those unable to partucipate, or who have to leave midway for whatever reason, do invites carry over to the next Pro Tour?
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Hello all! This is the official thread for any general CCC&G Pro Tour discussion, as well as the place to find all the latest updates and official standings.
How the Circuit works:
Season One starts in December and runs through May of the following year, feeding the Summer Pro Tour, which will take place in the month of June.
Season Two starts in June, concurrently with the Summer Pro Tour, and runs through November of the same year. Season Two will feed the Winter Pro Tour, which runs concurrently with the start of Season One.
The Pro Tours will be multi-format from week to week, as they are intended to be a well-rounded test of card design skill.
Each Pro Tour will be invite-only, and will be a continuous submission format. This means that instead of players being eliminated, they will accrue points each round and be able to submit entries each round. Finally, the top two scorers from this process will enter a final duel in order to determine the Pro Tour Champion!
As of now, the exact judging process for the Pro Tour has not been decided. As we get closer to the Summer Pro Tour 2012, we will solidify this process.
Each Pro Tour will have 24 slots available. There are three ways to get one:
1. Win a Monthly Qualifier Event! MQs are your well-loved monthly card design contests:
Monthly Qualifier Events
- Monthly Card Contest
- Card Creation League
- Daily Card Contest
- Club Flamingo Monthly Games
A win in any of these games will earn you a slot for the next Pro Tour. To see which games award Pro Points and invites, simply look for the [MQ] tag in the thread title.
2. Be a champion! If you make the finals (the top 2) of a Pro Tour, you will be automatically qualified to enter the next one.
3. Get Pro Points! We anticipate that some slots normally allocated to the monthlies will be doubled up. That is to say, some people will win more than one event. In this case, that leaves an open slot. After all of the MQ winners are slotted in, if there are additional slots, we will fill those from the top of the Pro Point list.
If there is a tie for the 24th invite (for example if the players are on the same points), then all tied players will receive an invite. This may result in individual Pro Tour events having slightly more participants, but as the competition is not elimination-based, this should not cause significant problems.
Placing well in the MQs will earn you Pro Points which count towards the Player of the Year title, as well as for slots in the PTs themselves. In general, the point breakdown will be the following:
Monthly Qualifier Prize Breakdown
Winner: 10 Pro Points + PT invite
Finalist: 8 Pro Points
Top 4: 4 Pro Points
Top 8/Final Round Participants: 2 Pro Points
Pro Tour Prize Breakdown
Winner: 25 Pro Points + PT invite + Trophy
Finalist: 20 Pro Points + PT invite
Top 4: 15 Pro Points
Top 8: 10 Pro Points
9-12: 5 Pro Points
13+: 2 Pro Points
These point totals are subject to change. However, we will be using this point breakdown for the moment.
In addition, there will be bonus Pro Points available for those who host a Premier Event, or who judge in the MCC. These are 4 points for organizing, and 2 points for judging in the MCC.
Pro Points will be recorded in three ways:
1) Seasonal Pro Points: This list is relevant for Pro Tour Invites, and contains points earned in the six month season feeding a Pro Tour i.e. Dec-May / Jun-Nov.
2) Annual Pro Points: This list is used to detemine PotY i.e. Dec-Nov + that year's Pro Tours.
3) Lifetime Pro Points: A list of all Pro Points ever earned.
At first this may appear a little complicated; however, all it means is that you can check each list to see how you are doing in the invite race, the PotY race, and in total. It does not affect the number of points awarded in any way.
Pro Points will also count toward the Player of the Year title. At the end of December, the player with the most pro points for the year will win the title! There's a little bit of a strange breakdown here, but it goes like this:
For 2012, the POY will be decided by the following:
All MQ events starting from December 2011 through November 2012
2012 Summer PT
2012 Winter PT
Yes, that means that the Monthly events for December 2012 will count for 2013's POY. Weird, but it makes sense given how the seasons break down.
From now on, the standard trophies that will be awarded in CCC&G will be the following.
Summer Pro Tour Champion
Winter Pro Tour Champion
Player of the Year
Card Maker of the Year
The Pro Tour Champion trophies are just that — trophies for winning the PTs. POY is determined by the pro point leader, as detailed above. Card Maker of the Year will be as it is now, with a nomination period followed by public voting in December.
To facilitate the CCC+G Pro Tour Circuit, we have established a Pro Tour Committee to manage the Invitationals and MQs, keep player records and statistics, and work with the community to make the CCC+G Pro Tour the best thing possible.
With one exception, each member of the committee will be serving as the overseer for one of the MQs, broken down as follows:
Megiddo will oversee all of the Club Flamingo Monthly Qualifying games. Megiddo is also the committee chairman.
Moss_Elemental will oversee the MCC.
Gerrard's Mom will oversee the CCL.
MDenham and void_nothing will work together to oversee the DCC.
Prophylaxis will serve as the Pro Tour Statistician and maintain this thread with updated pro points and qualifications.
If you have a question, comment, or issue with a MQ, these are the people to talk to. However, we recommend first talking with the organizer of the current game in question (with the exception of the DCC, where you may go directly to MDenham or void_nothing). If you are unable to resolve your issue satisfactorily, feel free to then move up the chain to the appropriate committee member. You can, of course, always post in this thread, but we recommend against that, at least initially.
Issues with the pro tour in general can be sent to Megiddo or posted in this thread.
We want to make CCC+G as fun as possible for everybody. Because of this it is important that we get regular feedback about how the circuit is running. This is the thread to do so, so if you have any comments, suggestions, or queries, please post them here rather than individual contest threads.
Thanks,
—The Pro Tour Committee
Pro Tour Points Full Leaderboard
Updated as of 12/09/2012
Speaking of which also, I will be PMing you in regards to something in which bothers me about a particular aspect of this. Maybe we can facilitate this.
I suggest sending communication to me, also. I'd be happy to discuss any aspect of the system, especially before we really get into it full force.
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The Monthly Qualifier games are starting up again!
CCL Signups are here!
The MCC is currently looking for judges and organizers! Remember, there are pro point rewards for judging and organizing, so you can still work your way to POY this way!
The DCC will be restarting in March after a month-long hiatus.
Signups for March's CFG, "Blockbusters," are here!
March is the first month where all of our Monthly Qualifiers are running full-steam, so I'm very excited to really usher in the new Pro Tour Circuit.
Have fun, everybody!
Other bookkeeping announcements: The MCC will no longer receive sticky threads for the individual rounds. The discussion threads for the DCC, CCL, and MCC will stay stuck though. This thread also exists for general MQ discussion, of course.
The MCC Hall of Fame has also been moved into the Card of the Month subforum.
1. Only the MCC, DCC, CCL, and monthly Flamingo games qualify people.
2. Long-format games qualify more people, at a rate of roughly one per month of length. So if we run Magic Wars for two months, the top 2 finishers could qualify. Should everyone else receive double points?
3. Long-format games qualify one winner, points the same as any monthly contest.
Should there be a limit on the number of long-format games run per season? This depends somewhat on how long they actually are, we could support say three two month games, run one at a time, or maybe allow a couple to go on simultaneously, but stagger the entry periods somewhat to allow people to pick them up, starting mid-month for example to avoid overlapping with the beginning and end of the monthly games.
My vote is for Option 1, but possibly awarding pro points for the longer-form games without offering guaranteed qualifiers. But also possibly not. I don't want there to be so many point-awarding or spot-awarding games that the only players who make it are those with the most free time. I don't mean that condescendingly or negatively — I just think the current system does a good job of giving people equal shot, and of offering enough variety.
Well...
4 MQ games x 6 month season = 24 spots, which equal exactly enough spots to qualify. Obviously there will be some redundancy with winners, but IF there isn't, where would fit in 6 more spots if we ran three 2 month contests? My opinion is that these contests should only effect the pro points (which really only matter for the Card Maker of the Year trophy). The pro points should be doubled since the contests are much longer, which will normally lead to the same outcome anyways of awarding a place in the Pro Tour if there are overlaps with winners.
EDIT:
This doesn't seem to account for the judging points. Has that been decided yet? Also, I think it would be beneficial for the organizers and player base to see which contests have been incorporated into the scores ie.
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Custom Cube
RWU Miracles RWU
I will say that I like keeping a list of which results are in, not just the last received results.
- Judge points have been added.
- Updated to ATTWN I. Socrates has earned an invite to the Pro Tour!
- Google Doc added to post #3 for full details.
The MCC is still looking for judges! This month, ced395 and MirrorEntity will be taking the lead — Help them out by judging! Don't forget, by judging you are guaranteed pro points that count toward your qualification totals! Signups start April 1st!
The CCL is still taking signups! Limited time offer! Things close up on March 31st! MDenham's got it this time.
This month, CFG will be taking a break from brand-new games to revive an old favorite — Transmogrify That Card! Gerrard's Mom will be taking us on a trip down nostalgia lane during April. Signups are open now!
And, of course, the DCC keeps truckin' along every day. Don't forget, if you miss one day, you can still enter! Enter as many or as few times as you like!
March organizers: Don't forget to PM your results to the CCC&G Pro Tour account. It saves work on our end and makes the record keeping go that much more smoothly.
I'm excited for April! Things have been going well so far this year and we're going to try to keep up the momentum for you. That said, don't hesitate to post and comments, questions, or suggestions right here in this thread. I promise everything will be looked at.
Thanks, and have a great month of custom card creation!
—:meg:
Gerrard's Mom has earned a qualification! Congrats.
I'm wondering if I'm alone in my opinion here.
I know that the announcement for this change in how this place was run came back in January, but I didn't have enough points to back up the claim I had at the time.
Am I alone in stating that I don't like the prize support here that much?
(Looking at the original thread this was in, it was 34 in support of this to 4 against, but I don't think there were any posts actually made that stated an opinion against it.)
I know that having 37 trophies a year may be a bit excessive, but cutting it down to 4 seems like a bit much.
So two of these are tied in to year-round things (Player of the Year, Card Maker of the Year), which kinda makes sense.
The other two, however:
To even get a chance of winning one of these, you must win an MQ (or have a really high score among non-winners, we'll get to that part later on). Most of these MQs (MCC, DCC, CCL) are things that made you win a trophy under the old system. Now, if you win one of these contests, you have a chance to win a trophy, and based on what I'm reading, it looks like the Pro Tour would be another contest that might work in a similar way to the MCC or CCL.
The part about high scorers among non-winners pretty much means you should play (almost) every MQ there is, and get a good score on as many as possible in order to get a chance to get these wildcard spots. It seems logical that a person who does this well should be allowed to qualify, so I'm fine with this.
However, the actual thing about having to win the Pro Tour to get a trophy though, is where I kinda think it's a bit too hard compared to the previous system. First you have to qualify in one of the ways that was mentioned, then you need to win a specific contest (the Pro Tour itself) to get a trophy. If you don't win, the next chance you get is six months later. where you must (pretty much) repeat the same process again (unless you were second place in the previous PT, in which case you may skip the first part of the process).
Now I guess this is coming from someone who liked the old system and is used to it; maybe if it was like this from the start, this post wouldn't exist.
But am I the only one thinking there are too few trophies now?
The contents of the spoiler below are the changes I would make assuming I was in charge (in case anyone is open to suggestions). While I don't expect you to change the system immediately because one random bystander said so, I still have an opinion to share.
Award one trophy for every three wins in MCC, CCL, and/or DCC, rather than one for every single win. That cuts it down to (expected value) 16 trophies a year.
(PRC gives an expected value of one every three weeks, which makes an expected value of ~17.3 trophies per year, so 16 per year isn't unreasonable.)
Anyways, so this is a long post from me. I'm not going to outright reject the idea of a CCC&G Pro Tour, but my points stand.
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luminum can destroyed the competition in DCC March and has an invite to the Pro Tour!
Balefire edged out on top in the March MCC and also earns an invite!
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I'm very reluctant to change anything before we at the very least see how this system works.
I have nothing to say regarding the perceived value of trophies or whatnot, but I'm open to entertaining this conversation in December after we see how it goes.
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Please remember that at the end of the day trophies are just vaguely cup-shaped blobs of yellow pixels. I don't think it's a battle worth fighting.