Are you running this again Piar? I've been wanting to take over for a while now since it's been on permanent Hiatus but thought I'd take the reigns back after this card was finish (which hasn't happened in months).
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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
I haven't talked with anyone about running it again. I just noticed that the previous thread was ready for the next step. I don't mind doing so at all, but don't want to step on anyone's toes either. At the very least I will take the last steps on this card. We can have a conversation then about how to move forward.
It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
The ability still doesn't work if its separated like that. With that wording, if you choose to have it enter as a copy, it doesn't enter tapped.
I had suggested "Evergrove enters the battlefield tapped as a copy of up to one Dryad (permanent?) you control." which should cover all cases.
I'm unsure if permanent is necessary or not, I guess dropping Crop Rotation, or activating Knight of the Reliquary, in response to your own Blades of Velis Vel is a thing... I think 307.4 & 304.4 covers us (Sorceries can't enter the battlefield. If a sorcery would enter the battlefield, it remains in its previous zone instead.) in which case Evergrove would just get shuffle back into the library if you tried to copy a Changeling instant/sorcery card.
I'd recommend using Vesuva as a template. It would modify the functionality some, but in a positive, meaningful-choice kind-of-way, I think.
You may have Evergrove enter the battlefield tapped as a copy of any Dryad you control. It gains the ability: "T: Add G to your mana pool." T: Add G to your mana pool.
If you chose not to (or have no target), then it's just land and shouldn't come into play tapped. If that's beyond what's desired here, I'd still recommend using that wording, in combination with the "...enters the battlefield tapped" clause.
Edit: that also gives you room for the flavor text.
It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
~ Enters the battlefield tapped
When ~ enters the battlefield choose one --
* ~ becomes a copy of any druid permanent you control.
* ~ gains "T: Add G to your mana pool"
While this is odd to read, 90% of the time it is identical to our intended functionality. (the 10% being things that care about other creatures/lands coming into play, as it will always enter as a land.)
Regarding the phrasing issues, the whole ambiguity was whether the card entered tapped if it copied a Dyrad, not if it had the mana ability or not. Can't we just add "tapped" into the cloning ability and call it a day?
Does this need to be a Tribal Land? I get the flavor, but Tribal has been discontinued, and this card works just as well without the creature type.
The challenge was Tribal Lands, but I agree it's unnecessary.
Regarding cleanup of the wording, how do people feel about the following?
Evergrove enters the battlefield tapped. You may have Evergrove enter the battlefield as a copy of a Dryad permanent you control.
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Does this need to be a Tribal Land? I get the flavor, but Tribal has been discontinued, and this card works just as well without the creature type.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Comic Book Set
Archester: Frontier of Steam (A steampunk set!)
A Good Place to Start Designing
I had suggested "Evergrove enters the battlefield tapped as a copy of up to one Dryad (permanent?) you control." which should cover all cases.
I'm unsure if permanent is necessary or not, I guess dropping Crop Rotation, or activating Knight of the Reliquary, in response to your own Blades of Velis Vel is a thing... I think 307.4 & 304.4 covers us (Sorceries can't enter the battlefield. If a sorcery would enter the battlefield, it remains in its previous zone instead.) in which case Evergrove would just get shuffle back into the library if you tried to copy a Changeling instant/sorcery card.
If you chose not to (or have no target), then it's just land and shouldn't come into play tapped. If that's beyond what's desired here, I'd still recommend using that wording, in combination with the "...enters the battlefield tapped" clause.
Edit: that also gives you room for the flavor text.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Comic Book Set
Archester: Frontier of Steam (A steampunk set!)
A Good Place to Start Designing
When ~ enters the battlefield choose one --
* ~ becomes a copy of any druid permanent you control.
* ~ gains "T: Add G to your mana pool"
While this is odd to read, 90% of the time it is identical to our intended functionality. (the 10% being things that care about other creatures/lands coming into play, as it will always enter as a land.)
The challenge was Tribal Lands, but I agree it's unnecessary.