In the last thread, your votes decided this card is best off without any flavor text. That means all that's left is a bit of cleanup on the wording.
Can we agree on a wording? I've created three possible templates for wording cleanup based on everyone's feedback in previous threads. I'm open to making minor tweaks (including the word "permanent") to correct the wording in any of them, but don't want to make functional changes since that affects people's votes. Of course, if the majority thinks none of these are satisfactory, we can hammer out something that does work in the comments of this thread.
Wording A:
You may have Evergrove enter the battlefield tapped as a copy of a Dryad permanent you control.
Evergrove enters the battlefield tapped. t: Add G to your mana pool.
Wording B:
You may have Evergrove enter the battlefield tapped as a copy of any Dryad you control. It gains the ability: "T: Add G to your mana pool." T: Add G to your mana pool.
Wording C:
Evergrove enters the battlefield tapped.
As Evergrove enters the battlefield choose one -
• Evergrove becomes a copy of any Dryad permanent you control.
• Evergrove gains "T: Add G to your mana pool."
All of those wordings are flawed. Wording A is unclear as to whether it enters the battlefield tapped if it copies a Dyrad, which is what all the hubbub about the wording was in the first place. Wording B is incorrect, it doesn't enter tapped if it doesn't copy a Dyrad. Wording C is unnecessarily complicated just to clarify functionality.
Can't we just add "tapped" to the Dyrad copy clause of Wording A?
(For what it's worth, my original intention was that the land lost the mana ability if it copied a Dyrad.)
All of those wordings are flawed. Wording A is unclear as to whether it enters the battlefield tapped if it copies a Dyrad, which is what all the hubbub about the wording was about in the first place. Wording B is incorrect, it doesn't enter tapped if it doesn't copy a Dyrad. Wording C is unnecessarily complicated just to clarify functionality.
Can't we just add "tapped" to the Dyrad copy clause of Wording A and move on?
(For what it's worth, my original intention was that the land lost the mana ability if it copied a Dyrad.)
Then this should do:
Evergrove
Tribal Land - Dryad
Evergrove enters the battlefield tapped.
You may have Evergrove enter the battlefield tapped as a copy of a Dryad you control. T: Add G to your mana pool.
If you don't copy anything, it enters tapped for the first ability and has the mana ability.
If you copy a Dryad, it copies it while also entering tapped, both because of the second ability. The first and last abilities should be lost (I'd need to check the CR to be 100% sure). Vesuva helps us with the wording, and the word "permanent" is not necessary, as when you mention a subtype in rules text it already means a permanent with that type, unless specified otherwise. It's the reason why tribal lords, for example Elvish Archdruid, need to specify "Elf creatures". If it just said "Elves", noncreature Elf permanents would get the bonus too (if it was possible, this is just an example). In fact, note the use of "Elves" in the second ability. There it doesn't specify anything, so hypothetical noncreature Elf permanents also count.
MCC - Winner (6): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019 || Host (15): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last one here) || Judge (34): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last one here) CCL - Winner (3): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last one here) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016 DCC - Winner (1): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar) || Host (3): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016
• The two public custom sets I've been part a part of the design team for: "Brotherhood of Ormos" - Blog post with all info - set thread - design skeleton / card list || "Extinctia: Homo Evanuit" - Blog post with all info - set thread - card list spreadsheet
• "The Lion's Lair", my article series about MTG and custom card design in particular. Latest article here. Here is the article index.Rather outdated by now, and based on the old MCC rubric, but I'm leaving this here for anybody that might be interested anyway.
• My only public attempt at being a writer: the story of my Leonin custom planeswalker Jeff Lionheart. (I have a very big one that I'm working on right now but that's private for now, and I don't know if I will ever actually publish it, and I also have ideas for multiple future ones, including one where I'm going to reprise Jeff.)
All of those wordings are flawed. Wording A is unclear as to whether it enters the battlefield tapped if it copies a Dyrad, which is what all the hubbub about the wording was in the first place. Wording B is incorrect, it doesn't enter tapped if it doesn't copy a Dyrad. Wording C is unnecessarily complicated just to clarify functionality.
Can't we just add "tapped" to the Dyrad copy clause of Wording A?
(For what it's worth, my original intention was that the land lost the mana ability if it copied a Dyrad.)
While technically redundant, adding "tapped" to Wording A does clear up the confusion people had about it so I wouldn't be opposed to that. Bravelion83's wording seems pretty spot-on, but we've had the argument across several threads about whether the word "permanent" needs to show up or not and we've seen conflicting examples provided from Wizards. While it may be redundant, clearly its presence resolves some confusion for some players. For the same reasons we want to include "tapped" in the copy ability, we should also include "permanent". I've updated Wording A to provide this clarity, as no one has voted yet.
At this point, I would go with Wording A. It's always better to be less ambiguous with wording than more ambiguous, so adding an extra "tapped" and "permanent" certainly do not hurt.
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[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
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In the last thread, your votes decided this card is best off without any flavor text. That means all that's left is a bit of cleanup on the wording.
Can we agree on a wording? I've created three possible templates for wording cleanup based on everyone's feedback in previous threads. I'm open to making minor tweaks (including the word "permanent") to correct the wording in any of them, but don't want to make functional changes since that affects people's votes. Of course, if the majority thinks none of these are satisfactory, we can hammer out something that does work in the comments of this thread.
Wording A:Wording B:Wording C:
Can't we just add "tapped" to the Dyrad copy clause of Wording A?
(For what it's worth, my original intention was that the land lost the mana ability if it copied a Dyrad.)
Then this should do:
Evergrove
Tribal Land - Dryad
Evergrove enters the battlefield tapped.
You may have Evergrove enter the battlefield tapped as a copy of a Dryad you control.
T: Add G to your mana pool.
If you don't copy anything, it enters tapped for the first ability and has the mana ability.
If you copy a Dryad, it copies it while also entering tapped, both because of the second ability. The first and last abilities should be lost (I'd need to check the CR to be 100% sure).
Vesuva helps us with the wording, and the word "permanent" is not necessary, as when you mention a subtype in rules text it already means a permanent with that type, unless specified otherwise. It's the reason why tribal lords, for example Elvish Archdruid, need to specify "Elf creatures". If it just said "Elves", noncreature Elf permanents would get the bonus too (if it was possible, this is just an example). In fact, note the use of "Elves" in the second ability. There it doesn't specify anything, so hypothetical noncreature Elf permanents also count.
MCC - Winner (6): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019 || Host (15): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last one here) || Judge (34): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last one here)
CCL - Winner (3): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last one here) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (1): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar) || Host (3): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016
• The two public custom sets I've been part a part of the design team for:
"Brotherhood of Ormos" - Blog post with all info - set thread - design skeleton / card list || "Extinctia: Homo Evanuit" - Blog post with all info - set thread - card list spreadsheet
• "The Lion's Lair", my article series about MTG and custom card design in particular. Latest article here. Here is the article index. Rather outdated by now, and based on the old MCC rubric, but I'm leaving this here for anybody that might be interested anyway.
• My only public attempt at being a writer: the story of my Leonin custom planeswalker Jeff Lionheart. (I have a very big one that I'm working on right now but that's private for now, and I don't know if I will ever actually publish it, and I also have ideas for multiple future ones, including one where I'm going to reprise Jeff.)
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
Vowels-Only Format
Minimum deck size: 60
Maximum number of identical cards: 4
Ban list: Cards whose English names begin with a consonant, Unglued and Unhinged cards, cards involving ante, Ancestral Recall