It's not just getting rid of the list.
It's getting rid of the reserve list, and then printing a metric buttload of those cards.
Which would absolutely stop the counterfeiters overnight. If not overnight, then maybe over the weekend. Why would anybody buy a counterfeit card asking $50 when they can get a pack of Legacy Masters with 15 different "$50" card in it for, say, $20? Instant loss of market as soon as that is announced, counterfeiters's sales go down to 3% of what they were the next day.
WotC is an American company. We deny you and your metric system!
SCG's wallet is way bigger than ours and vultures don't care about the game. Everytime a store sells an artificially inflated product for MSRP they go there, buy all the stock and re-sell to SCG.
Only thing we can do against that is not ****ing playing and that is a very sad endeavor that may bring to the table an acceptance for the bitterness of some people claiming they'd rather WotC go down so they could finally play. It's not insane to understand why someone who feels vindicated would stop being supportive to his vindicators.
You're a Legacy baby. Burn has a natural advantage against most other aggros (and the control version of Shardless isn't that good against it either). This same dynamic is prevalent amongst the whole metagame with some decks having 70/30 chances against whole archetypes while only 20/80 against another.
And having to sell your deck to build another IS the problem. Since the meta is so mutable the people to have an aggro, control and combo deck are much more effective at tournaments because they can choose with an educated guess (outright peeking around the tables/reading social media/reaging articles before registry) of the metagame what deck gives them a higher chance of winning, meanwhile most players are stuck with what they've been building and testing for the last 6-9 months because legacy stables are not as liquid as standard.
This results in greater chances of already suited players taking home the price support and the economical opression of Legacy going on unaltered.
What are you implying by calling me a "Legacy baby"? Just because I am new to playing Legacy does not mean I'm a new player. I've been playing the game for several years. It's only because I acquired so many cards through trades and had a job that I was able to build a legacy deck. I decided to quit standard for a while, even though it's popular at my LGS, to build legacy because I didn't want to keep losing value on cards. Legacy seemed like a better investment. I've been watching SCG Open streams for a few years now.
Legacy staples aren't as liquid as standard cards? Are you kidding me? Go look at buylists and tell me about some standard cards that have higher sell percentages than legacy cards. With all of the stores I've traded with, they have all valued legacy cards higher, and as a result, paid more.
Economic oppression? Do you even know what the word oppression means? No one is being treated unfairly or unjustly. You don't have to buy the most expensive cards to build a legacy deck. It's a ****ing card game.
I'm not sure how much it costs to counterfeit, but I'm sure there's profit to be made even when a card is $10 or $15.
You're solution is basically the same as making every card worthless, so that there's no value in counterfeiting. In which case the first step would to to get rid of rarity altogether.
I always hear people whining about making everything worthless when the true solution is making everything worthy. If all cards in every booster were useful in Standard, Modern, Legacy or Commander, there wouldn't be pack pulls worth $0.15.
Chase rares need to dissapear, and the way to do that isn't by making all rares ****, it's by making all commons good so that a chase rare, now a $5-10 card, is the wild card or silver bullet needed to perfect an already tight strategy. Not as it is now, that no Azorius deck can win a single game without Jace, Elspeth and Sphinx's Revelation because it's strategy is dependant on mythics hitting the board.
And if rarity was gotten rid of, limited couldn't exist, Wizards wouldn't sell many packs, it would go out of business, and competitive Magic would die.
You really love to exaggerate.
Most of Modern Master sales were not for limited. They sold because even bad boosters contained at least a couple playable cards. Because when your worst card is Pestermite you still go home happier than when you open notthing but overcosted vanillas.
If all cards were competitive certain cards wouldn't be $50, no cards would be impossible to even give away, and buying packs for the hell of it would be a thing. We wouldn't need to be goaded to play a miserable format such as Limited for the chance to better our pack pulls or winning store credit then throwing the **** we picked in the garbage bin.
Not even retailers would be hurt as it's easier to sell one hundred $1 Lightning Bolts to your FNM players than having to hunt for whomever is willing to buy you that original Tarmogoyf at full price. And you aren't left millions of unsellable cards from chase rare hunting either.
Cards need to be better across all rarities, old staples need to be reprinted and artificial scarcity needs to stop. That's the only way MTG is to survive another 20 years.
In which case the first step would to to get rid of rarity altogether.
Yeah that's why I suggested getting rid of rarity about 20 pages ago.
And if rarity was gotten rid of, limited couldn't exist,
It has no effect on limited. All you do is simply DESIGN the cards with rarity in mind.
Then SELL the cards in two formats: One type of pack where all the rarities show up in large numbers. Another type of pack with traditional rarity layout for limited players.
Badda Bing Badda Boom. Easy.
Wizards will never print "a metric buttload" of these high end cards, even if the reserved list was abolished. They have shown us with Modern Masters that they care about players' collections, and are very careful with how they reprint cards.
They care (for some reason) about collections, yes. But do you think they care more about people's collections than about their own solvency?
"Sir, nobody is buying any new packs from this set, because they're all playing $1 Legacy from 80% of the cards being fakes. What should we do, fire half the staff, or reprint some legacy cards for instantaneous, guaranteed easy cash?" Hmmmm. That's a tricky one, that.
Guys think about it, the money that this Chinese company making fake cards is making. Every cent of that is money Wizards could be making if they lower the outrageous prices of Magic cards. It costs like what, $0.02 to make a card?
I always hear people *****ing about making everything worthless when the true solution is making everything worthy. If all cards in every booster were useful in Standard, Modern, Legacy or Commander, there wouldn't be pack pulls worth $0.15.
Chase rares need to dissapear, and the way to do that isn't by making all rares ****, it's by making all commons good so that a chase rare, now a $5-10 card, is the wild card or silver bullet needed to perfect an already tight strategy. Not as it is now, that no Azorius deck can win a single game without Jace, Elspeth and Sphinx's Revelation because it's strategy is dependant on mythics hitting the board.
You realize there's no such thing as "making everything worthy"? In fact when Richard Garfield designed the game I'm sure that's what he envisioned too, and look where that got us?
There's just not enough design space so every card is going to be uniquely good in the right situation from now on to 20 years later.
What you're suggesting works for a board game where no new piece will be added in the future.
All this is moving me further towards decisive action.
I'm thinkin about placing an order on alibaba, what are your guys thoughts on this and do you want me to keep you guys posted so you at least have images and won't get duped?
If I bought them it'd be for my personal use, but I know there's people out there who want 1000 copies to try and dupe normal players for profit.:thumbsup:
Yeah that's why I suggested getting rid of rarity about 20 pages ago.
It has no effect on limited. All you do is simply DESIGN the cards with rarity in mind.
Then SELL the cards in two formats: One type of pack where all the rarities show up in large numbers. Another type of pack with traditional rarity layout for limited players.
Badda Bing Badda Boom. Easy.
They care (for some reason) about collections, yes. But do you think they care more about people's collections than about their own solvency?
"Sir, nobody is buying any new packs from this set, because they're all playing $1 Legacy from 80% of the cards being fakes. What should we do, fire half the staff, or reprint some legacy cards?" The answer is fairly obvious.
I'm pretty sure if they reprinted everything to high hell, prices would plummet yes, but many people would lose consumer confidence in the game, and possibly quit because all of their cards are worthless. And then there's no reason to buy any cards because they're not worth anything, after having already spent so much on cards.
I would not mind if they got rid of the reserved list and made judge promo dual lands, though. I'm okay with losing some value on my cards so that more people can play, but it would feel like a waste of money if dual lands were $10. Prices that I would be more comfortable with, is if they were the same price as the online versions.
All this is moving me further towards decisive action.
I'm thinkin about placing an order on alibaba, what are your guys thoughts on this and do you want me to keep you guys posted so you at least have images and won't get duped?
If I bought them it'd be for my personal use, but I know there's people out there who want 1000 copies to try and dupe normal players for profit.:thumbsup:
Having 1000 copies is not that useful. You have to unload the cards first. Set them too low and the buyer gets suspicious, set them too high and you won't have much more of an audience than what we already have.
The only realistic resell profit here is to dupe stores with huge buy lists. But I'm pretty sure they are careful when checking counterfeits
You really love to exaggerate.
Most of Modern Master sales were not for limited. They sold because even bad boosters contained at least a couple playable cards. Because when your worst card is Pestermite you still go home happier than when you open notthing but overcosted vanillas.
If all cards were competitive certain cards wouldn't be $50, no cards would be impossible to even give away, and buying packs for the hell of it would be a thing. We wouldn't need to be goaded to play a miserable format such as Limited for the chance to better our pack pulls or winning store credit then throwing the **** we picked in the garbage bin.
Not even retailers would be hurt as it's easier to sell one hundred $1 Lightning Bolts to your FNM players than having to hunt for whomever is willing to buy you that original Tarmogoyf at full price. And you aren't left millions of unsellable cards from chase rare hunting either.
Cards need to be better across all rarities, old staples need to be reprinted and artificial scarcity needs to stop. That's the only way MTG is to survive another 20 years.
Wizards makes a large portion of its profits from Limited, so it dying would be bad. And there are plenty of people who for some reason like Limited (I am not one of them. Being forced to play bad cards never appealed to me.). So I can see your point, but it would hurt WotC and annoy a lot of players. Also, yes I love to exaggerate. I've decided that if I am pessimistic, the worst that can happen is that I'll be right, while if I am optimistic, I'll be disappointed when I am wrong.
If you want to buy them for personal use, sure, why not?. There's no rules against proxying your deck for kitchen table play. At our LGS, you can use proxies as long as you're playing casually (i.e. not in a tournament).
Yes there is. It's called copyright law. These are illegal.
I'm pretty sure if they reprinted everything to high hell, prices would plummet yes, but many people would lose consumer confidence in the game, and possibly quit because all of their cards are worthless. And then there's no reason to buy any cards because they're not worth anything, after having already spent so much on cards.
Since the vast majority of people don't own large collections of legacy and vintage stables, the vast majority of people wouldn't quit for this reason.
That's the whole point is that most people don't own these and would therefore be thrilled not sad. If they did already own them, it would be a non-issue in the first place.
Also, your collection doesn't lose all value. It keeps all of its collector's value, since the new cards are new editions, not exact photocopies. The only value it loses is that from the scarcity for gameplay. Which is exactly the portion of the value that is bad for the game...
Are new remakes of Renoir paintings worth as much as the originals? No, despite having the exact same functional utility. Reprints don't destroy all original value. But they do allow the masses to enjoy the product.
Since the vast majority of people don't own large collections of legacy and vintage stables, the vast majority of people wouldn't quit for this reason.
That's the whole point is that most people don't own these and would therefore be thrilled not sad. If they did already own them, it would be a non-issue in the first place.
Also, your collection doesn't lose all value. It keeps all of its collector's value, since the new cards are new editions, not exact photocopies. The only value it loses is that from the scarcity for gameplay. Which is exactly the portion of the value that is bad for the game...
How do you know so many people don't have legacy/vintage staples? I know that I have at least owned some staples for a few years before moving into legacy. Even when I started out in high school, I had four judge promo Gaea's Cradles, unfortunately I sold them a few months after I got them because I didn't know what I was doing, being a new player.
I even bought a collection a few years ago, from a player that only played between Onslaught and original Ravnica, and it was a very casual collection, but it had a Sensei's Divining Top, a couple Goblin Warchiefs, and some Wirewood Symbiotes.
This speculating business has gone to hell. Nowadays you have people who buy high volumes of cards and hoards them hoping to profit. Some do, some don't. For the prices of singles, prices rise and fall. Also, Purphoros was $25 when Theros came out and now it's $8. Conversely, there are cards like Tarmogoyf that was around $5 when Future Sight came out, and now they are $130. If someone buys a Tarmogoyf for $130, then that means he/she is willing to spend that amount of money for that product. When Theros came out and Thoughtseize was reprinted, the price for it lowered to $20, but the price for the original Lorwyn one still remained at $50. It did not lose value because of a reprint.
Why do you assume that the price rising on some cards is wholly due to speculators? There is great demand for cards by players who actually want to play with them. Also it's not like there was a steady climb in Tarmogoyf's price. It was $100 when it was in standard, then it dropped after it rotated. When extended was a seven year format, it went to like $60. Then Wizards cut extended down to a four year format and Tarmogoyf jumped to $100 for a while since Time Spiral was the last block. When it was spoiled in Modern Masters, some sellers on eBay put preorders up for $65. People assumed that it was going to drop.
But it didn't. For a while, MM goyf went up to $130 while the FS one was $100. It took a while then FS goyf was the same price (MM Bob was higher than Ravnica Bob too). Now we have them both at $150, though you don't have to pay this price. You can get them for $100-110.
The printing of MM made more modern/legacy staples available, and prices on most rares went down. Some mythics though, went up. This was purely demand. People were getting their hands on staples and they needed goyfs/Bobs/cliques.
How do you know so many people don't have legacy/vintage staples?
It's simple. If everybody had their playsets, they wouldn't be selling for anything, because there would be no demand remaining.
When a product only orriginally costs pennies and has no intrinsic material value, ALL of its value comes from demand, entirely. So in the case of a card like this, the price is a direct reflection of how many cards people want but don't have.
Legacy staples cost the most, so that means they are the most in-demand cards compared to their scarcity out of all the cards in the game.
I was not talking about using proxies in tournaments. I was talking about using proxies in casual play. How the hell is that illegal?
He's saying that the company selling them is committing an illegal act by selling a product that is normally covered by copyright laws, if I'm not mistaken.
I was not talking about using proxies in tournaments. I was talking about using proxies in casual play. How the hell is that illegal?
The existence of these cards violates federal copyright law. You are purchasing and possessing an illegal product. "Personal use" isn't synonymous with "Do whatever the **** I want."
Counterfeits are copies or reproductions of actual Wizards trading cards, whether or not they are identified as non-genuine. The creation and distribution of counterfeits violate United States and international copyright laws and negatively affects the integrity of Wizards’ trading card games. Counterfeits are strictly prohibited, even for personal, non-commercial use.
He's saying that the company selling them is committing an illegal act by selling a product that is normally covered by copyright laws, if I'm not mistaken.
Basically, but admitting on a public message board that you are going to be buying an illegal product that you know to be illegal doesn't really rank very high on my list of good ideas. If you get duped, okay, but if you knowingly purchase an illegal product it puts some responsibility on you.
It's simple. If everybody had their playsets, they wouldn't be selling for anything, because there would be no demand remaining.
When a product only orriginally costs pennies and has no intrinsic material value, ALL of its value comes from demand, entirely. So in the case of a card like this, the price is a direct reflection of how many cards people want but don't have.
Legacy staples cost the most, so that means they are the most in-demand cards compared to their scarcity out of all the cards in game.
Wow, way to ignore the rest of my post. You made the claim that most players do not own a single staple. I told you about my experience as well as another person's. Of course there is still demand for staples, because not every player owns them. But you said that most players don't own any staples. I would like some proof.
Wow, way to ignore the rest of my post. You made the claim that most players do not own a single staple. I told you about my experience as well as another person's. Of course there is still demand for staples, because not every player owns them. But you said that most players don't own any staples. I would like some proof.
That's kind of a hyperbolic way of reading what he wrote. What he actually said was
Since the vast majority of people don't own large collections of legacy and vintage stables, the vast majority of people wouldn't quit for this reason.
That's the whole point is that most people don't own these and would therefore be thrilled not sad. If they did already own them, it would be a non-issue in the first place.
I understand that you could read that as "most people don't own any whatsoever", I think what he really meant was that most people don't own the staples they want, thus causing the demand in the first place.
I can say, as anecdotal evidence, that I own zero Legacy staples.
I was not talking about using proxies in tournaments. I was talking about using proxies in casual play. How the hell is that illegal?
Creating derivative works is one of the exclusive rights of a copyright holder. Performing things which are exclusive rights of copyright holders when you don't hold the copyright = copyright infringement, unless your actions qualify under an explicit exception of some sort. In other words, it's illegal by default to make a derivation unless something says it isn't, not the other way around.
There are many such exceptions. But whether any particular action is or is not a "fair use" exception is an incredibly murky question, and is never absolute until ruled on by a judge.
In particular, if your derivative reproduction replaces some portion of market demand for a product and therefore threatens the profits of the copyright holder, it would usually not qualify under fair use, because your action essentially is for financial gain at the expense of the copyright holder, by circumventing having to pay them for their intellectual property.
Whether or not this would be ruled illegal in this particular case--especially since WOTC is no longer selling most of these cards--is very vague and is almost impossible to say without a ruling on the specific situation. They may be able to very well argue that they intend to print more in the future, or some such, and you could lose (although that's a hard argument to make for the reserved list of course, but even then, I would never just assume to get away with it). Or they may have some still in stock in a warehouse somewhere that we don't know about, and you're lowering the value of those cards. if so, that could be enough to book you.
In general, it is very unwise to be the guinea pig involved in finding out whether something is illegal or not.
If you turn out to be wrong, you might lose your life savings and/or end up in jail. If you're right, you get to play a game. Not a very good risk/reward balance, there...
That's kind of a hyperbolic way of reading what he wrote. What he actually said was
I understand that you could read that as "most people don't own any whatsoever", I think what he really meant was that most people don't own the staples they want, thus causing the demand in the first place.
I can say, as anecdotal evidence, that I own zero Legacy staples.
WotC is an American company. We deny you and your metric system!
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
What are you implying by calling me a "Legacy baby"? Just because I am new to playing Legacy does not mean I'm a new player. I've been playing the game for several years. It's only because I acquired so many cards through trades and had a job that I was able to build a legacy deck. I decided to quit standard for a while, even though it's popular at my LGS, to build legacy because I didn't want to keep losing value on cards. Legacy seemed like a better investment. I've been watching SCG Open streams for a few years now.
Legacy staples aren't as liquid as standard cards? Are you kidding me? Go look at buylists and tell me about some standard cards that have higher sell percentages than legacy cards. With all of the stores I've traded with, they have all valued legacy cards higher, and as a result, paid more.
Economic oppression? Do you even know what the word oppression means? No one is being treated unfairly or unjustly. You don't have to buy the most expensive cards to build a legacy deck. It's a ****ing card game.
I always hear people whining about making everything worthless when the true solution is making everything worthy. If all cards in every booster were useful in Standard, Modern, Legacy or Commander, there wouldn't be pack pulls worth $0.15.
Chase rares need to dissapear, and the way to do that isn't by making all rares ****, it's by making all commons good so that a chase rare, now a $5-10 card, is the wild card or silver bullet needed to perfect an already tight strategy. Not as it is now, that no Azorius deck can win a single game without Jace, Elspeth and Sphinx's Revelation because it's strategy is dependant on mythics hitting the board.
You really love to exaggerate.
Most of Modern Master sales were not for limited. They sold because even bad boosters contained at least a couple playable cards. Because when your worst card is Pestermite you still go home happier than when you open notthing but overcosted vanillas.
If all cards were competitive certain cards wouldn't be $50, no cards would be impossible to even give away, and buying packs for the hell of it would be a thing. We wouldn't need to be goaded to play a miserable format such as Limited for the chance to better our pack pulls or winning store credit then throwing the **** we picked in the garbage bin.
Not even retailers would be hurt as it's easier to sell one hundred $1 Lightning Bolts to your FNM players than having to hunt for whomever is willing to buy you that original Tarmogoyf at full price. And you aren't left millions of unsellable cards from chase rare hunting either.
Cards need to be better across all rarities, old staples need to be reprinted and artificial scarcity needs to stop. That's the only way MTG is to survive another 20 years.
Yeah that's why I suggested getting rid of rarity about 20 pages ago.
It has no effect on limited. All you do is simply DESIGN the cards with rarity in mind.
Then SELL the cards in two formats: One type of pack where all the rarities show up in large numbers. Another type of pack with traditional rarity layout for limited players.
Badda Bing Badda Boom. Easy.
They care (for some reason) about collections, yes. But do you think they care more about people's collections than about their own solvency?
"Sir, nobody is buying any new packs from this set, because they're all playing $1 Legacy from 80% of the cards being fakes. What should we do, fire half the staff, or reprint some legacy cards for instantaneous, guaranteed easy cash?" Hmmmm. That's a tricky one, that.
You realize there's no such thing as "making everything worthy"? In fact when Richard Garfield designed the game I'm sure that's what he envisioned too, and look where that got us?
There's just not enough design space so every card is going to be uniquely good in the right situation from now on to 20 years later.
What you're suggesting works for a board game where no new piece will be added in the future.
I'm thinkin about placing an order on alibaba, what are your guys thoughts on this and do you want me to keep you guys posted so you at least have images and won't get duped?
If I bought them it'd be for my personal use, but I know there's people out there who want 1000 copies to try and dupe normal players for profit.:thumbsup:
Mimeoplasm, reanimator
Phelddagrif, superfriend/hugs
Edric, counter-target-player
Child of alara, Gods/Lands-Control
Titania, Timmy-combo
-Tiny Leaders-
Geist <under construction>
-Standard-
Esper Control
I'm pretty sure if they reprinted everything to high hell, prices would plummet yes, but many people would lose consumer confidence in the game, and possibly quit because all of their cards are worthless. And then there's no reason to buy any cards because they're not worth anything, after having already spent so much on cards.
I would not mind if they got rid of the reserved list and made judge promo dual lands, though. I'm okay with losing some value on my cards so that more people can play, but it would feel like a waste of money if dual lands were $10. Prices that I would be more comfortable with, is if they were the same price as the online versions.
Having 1000 copies is not that useful. You have to unload the cards first. Set them too low and the buyer gets suspicious, set them too high and you won't have much more of an audience than what we already have.
The only realistic resell profit here is to dupe stores with huge buy lists. But I'm pretty sure they are careful when checking counterfeits
Wizards makes a large portion of its profits from Limited, so it dying would be bad. And there are plenty of people who for some reason like Limited (I am not one of them. Being forced to play bad cards never appealed to me.). So I can see your point, but it would hurt WotC and annoy a lot of players. Also, yes I love to exaggerate. I've decided that if I am pessimistic, the worst that can happen is that I'll be right, while if I am optimistic, I'll be disappointed when I am wrong.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Yes there is. It's called copyright law. These are illegal.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Since the vast majority of people don't own large collections of legacy and vintage stables, the vast majority of people wouldn't quit for this reason.
That's the whole point is that most people don't own these and would therefore be thrilled not sad. If they did already own them, it would be a non-issue in the first place.
Also, your collection doesn't lose all value. It keeps all of its collector's value, since the new cards are new editions, not exact photocopies. The only value it loses is that from the scarcity for gameplay. Which is exactly the portion of the value that is bad for the game...
Are new remakes of Renoir paintings worth as much as the originals? No, despite having the exact same functional utility. Reprints don't destroy all original value. But they do allow the masses to enjoy the product.
I wanna make it rain.
How do you know so many people don't have legacy/vintage staples? I know that I have at least owned some staples for a few years before moving into legacy. Even when I started out in high school, I had four judge promo Gaea's Cradles, unfortunately I sold them a few months after I got them because I didn't know what I was doing, being a new player.
I even bought a collection a few years ago, from a player that only played between Onslaught and original Ravnica, and it was a very casual collection, but it had a Sensei's Divining Top, a couple Goblin Warchiefs, and some Wirewood Symbiotes.
Why do you assume that the price rising on some cards is wholly due to speculators? There is great demand for cards by players who actually want to play with them. Also it's not like there was a steady climb in Tarmogoyf's price. It was $100 when it was in standard, then it dropped after it rotated. When extended was a seven year format, it went to like $60. Then Wizards cut extended down to a four year format and Tarmogoyf jumped to $100 for a while since Time Spiral was the last block. When it was spoiled in Modern Masters, some sellers on eBay put preorders up for $65. People assumed that it was going to drop.
But it didn't. For a while, MM goyf went up to $130 while the FS one was $100. It took a while then FS goyf was the same price (MM Bob was higher than Ravnica Bob too). Now we have them both at $150, though you don't have to pay this price. You can get them for $100-110.
The printing of MM made more modern/legacy staples available, and prices on most rares went down. Some mythics though, went up. This was purely demand. People were getting their hands on staples and they needed goyfs/Bobs/cliques.
It's simple. If everybody had their playsets, they wouldn't be selling for anything, because there would be no demand remaining.
When a product only orriginally costs pennies and has no intrinsic material value, ALL of its value comes from demand, entirely. So in the case of a card like this, the price is a direct reflection of how many cards people want but don't have.
Legacy staples cost the most, so that means they are the most in-demand cards compared to their scarcity out of all the cards in the game.
He's saying that the company selling them is committing an illegal act by selling a product that is normally covered by copyright laws, if I'm not mistaken.
Lantern Control
(with videos)
Uc Tron
Netdecking explained
Netdecking explained, Part 2
On speculators and counterfeits
On Interaction
Every single competitive deck in existence is designed to limit the opponent's ability to interact in a meaningful way.
Record number of exclamation points on SCG homepage: 71 (6 January, 2018)
"I don't want to believe, I want to know."
-Carl Sagan
The existence of these cards violates federal copyright law. You are purchasing and possessing an illegal product. "Personal use" isn't synonymous with "Do whatever the **** I want."
From Wizards of the Coast:
Here's more:
http://seattletrademarklawyer.com/blog/2012/1/15/seller-admits-to-counterfeiting-cards-in-wizards-of-the-coas.html
Basically, but admitting on a public message board that you are going to be buying an illegal product that you know to be illegal doesn't really rank very high on my list of good ideas. If you get duped, okay, but if you knowingly purchase an illegal product it puts some responsibility on you.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
It would be illegal, but definitely a YouTube-worthy demonstration.
The meme-licious possibilities would be on par with topdecked Lightning Helix.
That's kind of a hyperbolic way of reading what he wrote. What he actually said was
I understand that you could read that as "most people don't own any whatsoever", I think what he really meant was that most people don't own the staples they want, thus causing the demand in the first place.
I can say, as anecdotal evidence, that I own zero Legacy staples.
Edit: Mount Vernon, eh? Say hi to Dan for me
Lantern Control
(with videos)
Uc Tron
Netdecking explained
Netdecking explained, Part 2
On speculators and counterfeits
On Interaction
Every single competitive deck in existence is designed to limit the opponent's ability to interact in a meaningful way.
Record number of exclamation points on SCG homepage: 71 (6 January, 2018)
"I don't want to believe, I want to know."
-Carl Sagan
Creating derivative works is one of the exclusive rights of a copyright holder. Performing things which are exclusive rights of copyright holders when you don't hold the copyright = copyright infringement, unless your actions qualify under an explicit exception of some sort. In other words, it's illegal by default to make a derivation unless something says it isn't, not the other way around.
There are many such exceptions. But whether any particular action is or is not a "fair use" exception is an incredibly murky question, and is never absolute until ruled on by a judge.
In particular, if your derivative reproduction replaces some portion of market demand for a product and therefore threatens the profits of the copyright holder, it would usually not qualify under fair use, because your action essentially is for financial gain at the expense of the copyright holder, by circumventing having to pay them for their intellectual property.
Whether or not this would be ruled illegal in this particular case--especially since WOTC is no longer selling most of these cards--is very vague and is almost impossible to say without a ruling on the specific situation. They may be able to very well argue that they intend to print more in the future, or some such, and you could lose (although that's a hard argument to make for the reserved list of course, but even then, I would never just assume to get away with it). Or they may have some still in stock in a warehouse somewhere that we don't know about, and you're lowering the value of those cards. if so, that could be enough to book you.
In general, it is very unwise to be the guinea pig involved in finding out whether something is illegal or not.
If you turn out to be wrong, you might lose your life savings and/or end up in jail. If you're right, you get to play a game. Not a very good risk/reward balance, there...
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"I don't want to believe, I want to know."
-Carl Sagan
You didn't say you were. The other guy did, but you seem to think that using illegal counterfeits for personal use doesn't mean that it's no illegal.
The rest of this post of yours doesn't make sense to me. Sorry.
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