What is really frustrating is that some cards like bob would not always be broken in standard- the format is so slow and devoid of divining top effects that as long as they avoided finks-esque lifegain the damage would make him difficult to play. Thus they could bring him into a standard they carefully design to make slow with little manipulation- pleasing modern players and not damaging the format. I mean when lightning bolts cost 2, and top critters and wrath effects cost 4-5, the self damage would be huge. Imagine reprinting him in an eldrazi set....)
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So we get the official "the new set is bad" thread BEFORE spoilers even begin
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Can't have a spoiler season with the hypocritical mini-mods either.
Literally every set will have good, surprising cards and cards that are boring or shockingly bad.
So I don't see what the point of you complaining about complainers every set does. Why are you still here if you hate MTGS so much? Do you want everyone to parrot and spam "it's good, it's good, how fun, cool design?"
Maybe because sifting through 120 mentions of how the newest spoiler doesn't appeal to your chosen format/chosen decktype/chosen sensibility and is the latest sign that Wizards is appealing exclusively to casuals/tryhards/EDH players in order to actually discuss a card is a pile of BS?
Don't pretend that crazy amount of hate that every single set gets is a good thing.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
You're certainly entitled to that opinion, all I am saying is all that being disappointed at every set that doesn't contain one of those cards means you are going to be perpetually disappointed, because they aren't being reprinted.
Don't worry, its only a little disappointment. Truthfully, I always assume the worst when a new set comes out, so I'm always excited somewhat about something they've done with the new set. The thing is, its my hope and dream that things like preordain, etc. would come back in a core set and be modern legal. So really, its just sad that my hopes and dreams will most likely never be fulfilled.
I dislike the new card face that this core set shall be introducing, but that is a minor dislike for me; I have a much greater dislike about the fact that this core set is reprinting the staff of the magus cycle, which is simply another "lucky charm" cycle; the Darksteel lucky charms are superior, in my mind, because they have a lower mana cost and trigger from any player casting a spell of the appropriate color, not merely their controller. Nearly every core set in recent years has contained such a cycle, except for Magic 2013, which contained the rings of Shandalar, instead, so why cannot WotC print more cycles such as that, rather than more lucky charms?
I do, however, very much like the fact that legendary permanents shall be in this set, since they are one of my favorite aspects of this game, as well as the return of the convoke mechanic (I wished for kicker, cycling, or entwine, but convoke is still very nice, as well), so I am certain that this core set shall not be a complete disappointment.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
I won't be happy till I see a card akin to sinkhole, and less watered down crap. Also more pox effect would be cool.
Why not just play dice or roulette? It's just as random and likewise produces empty board states that don't require much thought to navigate. You might even win money.
I won't be happy till I see a card akin to sinkhole, and less watered down crap. Also more pox effect would be cool.
Why not just play dice or roulette? It's just as random and likewise produces empty board states that don't require much thought to navigate. You might even win money.
Sinkhole does not make it Dice roll magic. Neither does smallpox or pox. If there is only one LD spell with playable CMC players will still have land in play. It's just makes running spells with 3+ CMC more risky. The same could be said for 2 playable LD spells for most games. It's only a problem if there are 3+ playable LD spells. Otherwise there is still a lot of play room there for a game of magic. Also pox effects are fun. They are fun to try and break the symmetry with cards like Bloodghast. Even if you can't they are just a strong effect if you are trying grinding out card advantage over a long game.
yeah they save the best spoilers for last, sliver hive? or w/e its called. so obviously slivers are going to be back again this year. two straight years of slivers? wooo, im jumping for excitment
I really don't think this belongs here... We've only seen around half the cards. Shouldn't "Latest set is bad because X" threads be somewhere in the Rumour Mill?
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Don't worry, I'm sure we can go lower.
I'm already ready to start hating on Khans of Tarkir. It's already shaping up to be a terrible set! I mean, we already know 20 cards. It's guaranteed to have basic lands in it and we all know how unplayable those are in standard (not to mention modern and legacy).
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Modern - Death & Taxes
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people complain about standard not being diverse enough, but if they printed lets just say brainstorm and sinkhole. mix those in with a half decent collection of removal and counterspells and bam, half the field is playing UB control. just brainstorm alone, and a ton of people are at least splashing blue hoping to carve out their first few turns. ponder was standard legal as recently as three years ago. i honestly don't remember exactly what the popular decks were at the time, but i do remember blue being more heavily played than it normally is during that time.
if you want a diverse meta, you either don't print cards like these, or you print enough of them so that every color has them, and magic hasn't exactly made a career out of putting one of the more powerful cards in it's history in each color in each set.
i would welcome a brainstorm in standard, but then red would need lightning bolt, black would need ritual, white would need path to exile, green would need i don't even know what, and then that's just in one set. honestly, having that many powerful cards running around in standard doesn't seem like a good thing to me. sure it has a smaller card pool to abuse them with, but it also has a smaller card pool to combat them as well.
While I am a fan of all reprints, I do feel the Core has become problematic for WotC. They don't want it to be too advanced, nor do they wish to reprint much needed staples for fear said staples will screw with standard and limited, thus we often get a watered-down or unimpressive core.
Couple that with the incredible success of sets like Conspiracy, and a lot of folks are going to wonder why they bother with a core at all.
While I am a fan of all reprints, I do feel the Core has become problematic for WotC. They don't want it to be too advanced, nor do they wish to reprint much needed staples for fear said staples will screw with standard and limited, thus we often get a watered-down or unimpressive core.
Couple that with the incredible success of sets like Conspiracy, and a lot of folks are going to wonder why they bother with a core at all.
Myself included. Most Standard staples see print in expansion sets anyhow (Naturalize, Lightning Strike, etc.), so it's not like it's filling much of a gap.
That said, M15 looks pretty cool so far. The Naturalize Elf is good, Silvers are back (and playable, hopefully), and there are a few other interesting cards.
That said, I doubt I'll be buying a box, because I never buy boxes of the Core Sets, and rarely draft them.
The basic problem is so many people are diving into modern and it has driven up the prices,and M sets are the PERFECT opportunity to stop those price spikes, and yet they don't to protect standard. Reprints in limited MM style sets don't work as price reduction strategies for the top cards.
Look at scooze, pre and post base set. Reprint in m14, price goes down to reasonable levels.
Everytime they then say something like "we did not want to reprint Lilly OTV because she would be too good" the price then spikes again.
Bringing in designers won't increase the interest in the M sets from most older player's perspective, they are barking up the wrong tree- basic game design is not where M sets are lacking, it is their new vision of standard and their rather more reasonable desire for M set accessibility that causes these sets to be greeted with the enthusiasm normally reserved for large turds floating in swimming pools. Take the former away and you can reprint the stuff people want to get their hands on, such as lilly, snappy et al, which will generate more excitement than a million souls of zendikar.
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So we get the official "the new set is bad" thread BEFORE spoilers even begin
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Oh, that's just tradition. Every new set is simultaneously a pile of unplayable jank and the new Mirrodin's Saga.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Yeah, I just re read the card and saw the forest part. Still it wouldnt be hard to drop her turn four, with a turn three being possible. That seems powerful for standard.
That said, she seems decent. Untapping four forests means you might just cast, say, a polukranos the same turn you cast her... That's protection of sorts.
Maybe because sifting through 120 mentions of how the newest spoiler doesn't appeal to your chosen format/chosen decktype/chosen sensibility and is the latest sign that Wizards is appealing exclusively to casuals/tryhards/EDH players in order to actually discuss a card is a pile of BS?
Don't pretend that crazy amount of hate that every single set gets is a good thing.
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Don't worry, its only a little disappointment. Truthfully, I always assume the worst when a new set comes out, so I'm always excited somewhat about something they've done with the new set. The thing is, its my hope and dream that things like preordain, etc. would come back in a core set and be modern legal. So really, its just sad that my hopes and dreams will most likely never be fulfilled.
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I do, however, very much like the fact that legendary permanents shall be in this set, since they are one of my favorite aspects of this game, as well as the return of the convoke mechanic (I wished for kicker, cycling, or entwine, but convoke is still very nice, as well), so I am certain that this core set shall not be a complete disappointment.
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Alright, so they reprint Sinkhole, Rain of Tears, and Pox. While we're at it, we'll throw in Strip Mine
Now every deck is B/U or B/R, and virtually every game is "Does your starting hand have more Lando than mine?" Fun format.
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I would absolutely love that format.
But it has to have mind twist and dark rit too.
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Why not just play dice or roulette? It's just as random and likewise produces empty board states that don't require much thought to navigate. You might even win money.
Sinkhole does not make it Dice roll magic. Neither does smallpox or pox. If there is only one LD spell with playable CMC players will still have land in play. It's just makes running spells with 3+ CMC more risky. The same could be said for 2 playable LD spells for most games. It's only a problem if there are 3+ playable LD spells. Otherwise there is still a lot of play room there for a game of magic. Also pox effects are fun. They are fun to try and break the symmetry with cards like Bloodghast. Even if you can't they are just a strong effect if you are trying grinding out card advantage over a long game.
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Don't worry, I'm sure we can go lower.
I'm already ready to start hating on Khans of Tarkir. It's already shaping up to be a terrible set! I mean, we already know 20 cards. It's guaranteed to have basic lands in it and we all know how unplayable those are in standard (not to mention modern and legacy).
Standard - RIP Cat
Modern - Death & Taxes
Commander - Mazirek, Trostani, Angry Omnath
if you want a diverse meta, you either don't print cards like these, or you print enough of them so that every color has them, and magic hasn't exactly made a career out of putting one of the more powerful cards in it's history in each color in each set.
i would welcome a brainstorm in standard, but then red would need lightning bolt, black would need ritual, white would need path to exile, green would need i don't even know what, and then that's just in one set. honestly, having that many powerful cards running around in standard doesn't seem like a good thing to me. sure it has a smaller card pool to abuse them with, but it also has a smaller card pool to combat them as well.
Couple that with the incredible success of sets like Conspiracy, and a lot of folks are going to wonder why they bother with a core at all.
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Myself included. Most Standard staples see print in expansion sets anyhow (Naturalize, Lightning Strike, etc.), so it's not like it's filling much of a gap.
That said, M15 looks pretty cool so far. The Naturalize Elf is good, Silvers are back (and playable, hopefully), and there are a few other interesting cards.
That said, I doubt I'll be buying a box, because I never buy boxes of the Core Sets, and rarely draft them.
Modern: GW Hatebears/midrange, WGU Knightfall/evolution midrange stuff
Standard: nope
Legacy: W Death & Taxes
EDH (not Commander!): W Avacyn, Angel of Hope, GR Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, WGB Anafenza, the Foremost, WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator
Look at scooze, pre and post base set. Reprint in m14, price goes down to reasonable levels.
Everytime they then say something like "we did not want to reprint Lilly OTV because she would be too good" the price then spikes again.
Bringing in designers won't increase the interest in the M sets from most older player's perspective, they are barking up the wrong tree- basic game design is not where M sets are lacking, it is their new vision of standard and their rather more reasonable desire for M set accessibility that causes these sets to be greeted with the enthusiasm normally reserved for large turds floating in swimming pools. Take the former away and you can reprint the stuff people want to get their hands on, such as lilly, snappy et al, which will generate more excitement than a million souls of zendikar.
How the hell is Wall of Mulch card advantage?
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Oh, that's just tradition. Every new set is simultaneously a pile of unplayable jank and the new Mirrodin's Saga.
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She's a Green card; if she's coming down turn 5, you're doing it wrong.
Modern: GW Hatebears/midrange, WGU Knightfall/evolution midrange stuff
Standard: nope
Legacy: W Death & Taxes
EDH (not Commander!): W Avacyn, Angel of Hope, GR Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, WGB Anafenza, the Foremost, WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator
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That said, she seems decent. Untapping four forests means you might just cast, say, a polukranos the same turn you cast her... That's protection of sorts.