No proplayer(s) disrespect him and there is no foil thing on ebay worth 3+ K dollars. It is trolling and a setup.
but there is a foil thing on ebay worth selling for $9,600
If anything, Id pay a little less than average price for that goyf, because of the ugly stamp. But that wouldnt happen either, because I'm not fond of foils.
As said, this whole thing is only about some ppl that are good at magic making a charade.
Surprised nobody is commenting on it being almost $10k now.
I'm worried that these are troll bidders, and that anything over the initial ~1-2k bids are people that don't actually intend to pay. I'm a cynic though.
Regarding the actual pick, you do you Pascal. No one but you can weigh how it will effect your life EV but you, and that's why the negative tweets are so frustrating. No crap it's the wrong pick if your only goal is to win the draft. It's a lower scale version of the "money vs. the rings" in professional sports, only with a much lower win-rate reduction for taking the cash.
Only if this were in the top8 of world champs or a pro tour would I be disappointed in him. I still wouldn't crucify the guy, but I would be disappointed in him (mostly becuase the life/$$ EV shifts dramatically!).
Surprised nobody is commenting on it being almost $10k now.
I haven't even checked it for several hours, but it really surprises me if it is over $5,000, which I thought it would end at.
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Definitely strange, especially with so long left to go in the auction. This is about to leave the realm of "Goyf with a fun backstory for collectors" and enter the realm of "rich people who like donating to charity but are obsessed with having something unique." I'm going to guess Maynard is going to end up donating more than 50% of that money to charity. I highly doubt he predicted this when he put it up for sale.
Anyone know what the record price for a Magic card ever sold at auction?
Apparently everyone has failed to mention the fact that he took the goyf, hates on any deck that is on green... and its entirely splashable if he would have chosen to do so, But merely taking such a threat from his opponents is still a great choice, over a marginal burn spell.
Apparently everyone has failed to mention the fact that he took the goyf, hates on any deck that is on green... and its entirely splashable if he would have chosen to do so, But merely taking such a threat from his opponents is still a great choice, over a marginal burn spell.
Goyf is by no means a bomb in limited, and hatedrafting in general is a pretty poor strategy. Burst lightning is not a "Marginal Burn Spell" either. Due to the kicker, it's premium removal, and would have made his deck better.
Yeah burst lightning is one of the best commons in the set with ease due to the kicker, 1 mana removal being fantastic typically, and improving every red deck it's included in as there is no such thing as too many burst lightning's (I would gladly run 23 burst lightning's in a deck.) As for how good goyf is in limited, it's pretty easy for goyf to be a 3/4 in this format based on how the set looks. Kill an artifact creature it's a 3/4. Play a nameless inversion and goyf is almost assuredly a 3/4 or 4/5 if it's an artifact creature. I mostly just wished there was stone nothing in the foil goyf pack because then it's 1000% right no question or that it was pack 1/you really can't ***** at someone taking goyf pick 1 over a burst lightning or other stuff.
All the flak he's getting for the pick is completely unwarranted. Turtenwald is the worst. His 'apology' is appalling. You have to be one of the biggest douches on the planet to give an 'apology' like that that really isn't apologizing. It's as though Pascal is a rapist/murderer/serial killer or something when MTG is, in the end, a card game and nothing more. I like the attention being paid to some tweets talking about how poor MTG's prize structure is for GPs and such and I agree. If you don't want people rare drafting improve the prize structure so people don't even consider it unless there's nothing else in the pack for them, it's a bomb rare, etc. etc.
The controversy over this has made this the clear correct pick though as it's $12,000 as of this post.
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Apparently everyone has failed to mention the fact that he took the goyf, hates on any deck that is on green... and its entirely splashable if he would have chosen to do so, But merely taking such a threat from his opponents is still a great choice, over a marginal burn spell.
Goyf is by no means a bomb in limited, and hatedrafting in general is a pretty poor strategy. Burst lightning is not a "Marginal Burn Spell" either. Due to the kicker, it's premium removal, and would have made his deck better.
This is very true. In a setting where each card is worth nearly the same, it is much better to even get an average card for your deck than to hate draft a pick that you could "possibly" use in your deck. (Obviously this doesn't change my belief that this was an amazing choice by Pascal.)
(Maybe I should keep Draft strategy for another forum. Somebody tell me if I'm going off-topic.)
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Foil Goyf is now sitting at $12,000. I'd say Maynard made out like a bandit. I would've done the same.
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I take the goyf assuming its worth $500, without worry too much. At anything over a grand in value, its not even a decision. I've got bills to pay and stuff i'd like to buy when I go home.
If people are outraged, they should be outraged that such events have such ridiculously low payouts and/or the fact that a card can be worth $500.00
Personally the game would be more enjoyable for me if the prizes were closer to poker payouts. If the cards were cheap at the same time, that would be even better.
There seems to be this "lets keep this a fun club" atmosphere going around in favor of keeping the game low stakes but
if you want to keep it low stakes then there shouldn't be cards worth as much as a foil goyf.
I still don't understand how people defend playing a 2 day, potentially 20 hour grindfest tournament where the prizing barely covers the travel cost.
so at this point my understanding is that he will make more than double what the winner got. a 'pro' by definition makes money playing Magic, can they really still hate on him if he is objectively the most successful Pro in the world with MM2? OT will cry himself to sleep when dude paysall his debt, takes care of essentials and can buy a decent car after one weekend
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I take the goyf assuming its worth $500, without worry too much. At anything over a grand in value, its not even a decision. I've got bills to pay and stuff i'd like to buy when I go home.
If people are outraged, they should be outraged that such events have such ridiculously low payouts and/or the fact that a card can be worth $500.00
Personally the game would be more enjoyable for me if the prizes were closer to poker payouts. If the cards were cheap at the same time, that would be even better.
There seems to be this "lets keep this a fun club" atmosphere going around in favor of keeping the game low stakes but
if you want to keep it low stakes then there shouldn't be cards worth as much as a foil goyf.
I still don't understand how people defend playing a 2 day, potentially 20 hour grindfest tournament where the prizing barely covers the travel cost.
I think $500 could very well cover flight/hotel, especially if you book a package through price line.
I think the people pointing to the rising value are missing the point Reid, Huey, etc. were going for.
The idea is that they're against making a decision based on out of game reasons in the Top 8 of a GP. It's hard to come up with a sports analogy that specifically fits this situation, but in general you want to be watching athletes going for the win, not playing to maximize their endorsements or anything like that. For what it's worth, I think that PGO honestly wouldn't take the card. The idea that this is jealousy or something is unfounded.
I mean, if you don't agree with them, that's fine. I'm just saying they didn't get more wrong just because the price is going up.
I think the people pointing to the rising value are missing the point Reid, Huey, etc. were going for.
The idea is that they're against making a decision based on out of game reasons in the Top 8 of a GP. It's hard to come up with a sports analogy that specifically fits this situation, but in general you want to be watching athletes going for the win, not playing to maximize their endorsements or anything like that. For what it's worth, I think that PGO honestly wouldn't take the card. The idea that this is jealousy or something is unfounded.
I mean, if you don't agree with them, that's fine. I'm just saying they didn't get more wrong just because the price is going up.
It's actually quite easy to come up with a sports analogy if you look at the draft/deck construction as being more akin to draft/free agency/roster construction in pro sports rather than in-game play. That is where the financial decisions are made, by both players and owners, and both make conscious cost benefit analyses between maximizing value and maximizing the chance to win constantly. Most of the time, value wins out even in the highest levels of professional sports. Teams, including the best teams in the world, frequently pass on the most expensive players for inferior but more cost-effective options. Players take huge contracts to play for a cellar dwelling team rather than accept a tiny fraction less to play for a championship contender.
People make these conscious decisions to take money over winning constantly and in games where the payouts are hundreds of millions of dollars, not $4000. Despite that, I've never seen a pro athlete or owner making that choice face the level of vitriol from their peers that Pascal is getting from certain MTG pros. Some of these guys have an amazingly over-inflated sense of the importance and sanctity of this game we love, as well as an appalling lack of perspective on the financial realities that all but a tiny, extremely privileged minority of pro players must consider.
I think the people pointing to the rising value are missing the point Reid, Huey, etc. were going for.
The idea is that they're against making a decision based on out of game reasons in the Top 8 of a GP. It's hard to come up with a sports analogy that specifically fits this situation, but in general you want to be watching athletes going for the win, not playing to maximize their endorsements or anything like that. For what it's worth, I think that PGO honestly wouldn't take the card. The idea that this is jealousy or something is unfounded.
I mean, if you don't agree with them, that's fine. I'm just saying they didn't get more wrong just because the price is going up.
in principle, I agree with them, in practice, this card is going for potentially life changing money. if it were a $20-50 card, I would agree completely, but I resent them looking down from their golden thrones with servants bearing grapes and bashing the man who ignores the high road and makes the choice that will benefit him after. if Wizards wants people to play well instead of rare drafting, they need to fix both the secondary market and prize structure so that being 8th with a regular foil Goyf does not net you roughly as much as 3rd without it. the system is broken so that in this situation the only ones who would not make that choice are pros who have not had to pay to play for longer than I have been playing
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Some of the pros were saying that him possibly losing out on a spot in the world championships would cost him more money than the Goyf would get him. He's already made more money off of the Goyf than he would have for winning Grand Prix Las Vegas and getting into the top 4 of the World Championships.
But anyways, it depend on the situation, if the pack have a Elesh Norn or Karn, and I am so close to pro tour entering or GP champion I will probably pick either of them over the Goyf.
Considering the price is almost 20k , well ... I guess I will pick the Goyf immediately, who cares if the community and the pro's going to laugh at you, in the end it is just a freaking game and you already make money than the GP champion anyways.
But anyways, it depend on the situation, if the pack have a Elesh Norn or Karn, and I am so close to pro tour entering or GP champion I will probably pick either of them over the Goyf.
Considering the price is almost 20k , well ... I guess I will pick the Goyf immediately, who cares if the community and the pro's going to laugh at you, in the end it is just a freaking game and you already make money than the GP champion anyways.
He's already made more money than he would get for being Platinum for a whole season.
If I was in Pascals position I would just go full on greed, draft the goyf and put it in my deck
And that goyf going at 16K, after fees and handing over 50% to charity that would leave him with what? about $7-7.5K? Which is quite awesome for a prize
Assuming payment is not in the form of a Paypal gift, PayPal takes another 2.9%, which would leave him closer to $6970 (although I do realize the auction listing specifically doesn't address PayPal fees).
I would highly recommend avoiding all sales by eBay seller Gurumtg for this incredibly dick-ish behavior. Show him that his 2-minutes of pleasure translates to hundreds if not thousands of dollars of lost revenue.
but there is a foil thing on ebay
worthselling for $9,600As said, this whole thing is only about some ppl that are good at magic making a charade.
Ofc 10k dollars aint gonna change hands
I'm worried that these are troll bidders, and that anything over the initial ~1-2k bids are people that don't actually intend to pay. I'm a cynic though.
Regarding the actual pick, you do you Pascal. No one but you can weigh how it will effect your life EV but you, and that's why the negative tweets are so frustrating. No crap it's the wrong pick if your only goal is to win the draft. It's a lower scale version of the "money vs. the rings" in professional sports, only with a much lower win-rate reduction for taking the cash.
Only if this were in the top8 of world champs or a pro tour would I be disappointed in him. I still wouldn't crucify the guy, but I would be disappointed in him (mostly becuase the life/$$ EV shifts dramatically!).
I haven't even checked it for several hours, but it really surprises me if it is over $5,000, which I thought it would end at.
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Edit: It is less than $2000 away from being worth as much money as all of the attendance money a platinum player gets for pro tours.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Goyf is by no means a bomb in limited, and hatedrafting in general is a pretty poor strategy. Burst lightning is not a "Marginal Burn Spell" either. Due to the kicker, it's premium removal, and would have made his deck better.
All the flak he's getting for the pick is completely unwarranted. Turtenwald is the worst. His 'apology' is appalling. You have to be one of the biggest douches on the planet to give an 'apology' like that that really isn't apologizing. It's as though Pascal is a rapist/murderer/serial killer or something when MTG is, in the end, a card game and nothing more. I like the attention being paid to some tweets talking about how poor MTG's prize structure is for GPs and such and I agree. If you don't want people rare drafting improve the prize structure so people don't even consider it unless there's nothing else in the pack for them, it's a bomb rare, etc. etc.
The controversy over this has made this the clear correct pick though as it's $12,000 as of this post.
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This is very true. In a setting where each card is worth nearly the same, it is much better to even get an average card for your deck than to hate draft a pick that you could "possibly" use in your deck. (Obviously this doesn't change my belief that this was an amazing choice by Pascal.)
(Maybe I should keep Draft strategy for another forum. Somebody tell me if I'm going off-topic.)
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Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)GWSelvala and the Return to HumanityGW
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BGMidrangeBG
If people are outraged, they should be outraged that such events have such ridiculously low payouts and/or the fact that a card can be worth $500.00
Personally the game would be more enjoyable for me if the prizes were closer to poker payouts. If the cards were cheap at the same time, that would be even better.
There seems to be this "lets keep this a fun club" atmosphere going around in favor of keeping the game low stakes but
if you want to keep it low stakes then there shouldn't be cards worth as much as a foil goyf.
I still don't understand how people defend playing a 2 day, potentially 20 hour grindfest tournament where the prizing barely covers the travel cost.
This has made me realize I need a better paying job.
I think $500 could very well cover flight/hotel, especially if you book a package through price line.
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The idea is that they're against making a decision based on out of game reasons in the Top 8 of a GP. It's hard to come up with a sports analogy that specifically fits this situation, but in general you want to be watching athletes going for the win, not playing to maximize their endorsements or anything like that. For what it's worth, I think that PGO honestly wouldn't take the card. The idea that this is jealousy or something is unfounded.
I mean, if you don't agree with them, that's fine. I'm just saying they didn't get more wrong just because the price is going up.
It's actually quite easy to come up with a sports analogy if you look at the draft/deck construction as being more akin to draft/free agency/roster construction in pro sports rather than in-game play. That is where the financial decisions are made, by both players and owners, and both make conscious cost benefit analyses between maximizing value and maximizing the chance to win constantly. Most of the time, value wins out even in the highest levels of professional sports. Teams, including the best teams in the world, frequently pass on the most expensive players for inferior but more cost-effective options. Players take huge contracts to play for a cellar dwelling team rather than accept a tiny fraction less to play for a championship contender.
People make these conscious decisions to take money over winning constantly and in games where the payouts are hundreds of millions of dollars, not $4000. Despite that, I've never seen a pro athlete or owner making that choice face the level of vitriol from their peers that Pascal is getting from certain MTG pros. Some of these guys have an amazingly over-inflated sense of the importance and sanctity of this game we love, as well as an appalling lack of perspective on the financial realities that all but a tiny, extremely privileged minority of pro players must consider.
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in principle, I agree with them, in practice, this card is going for potentially life changing money. if it were a $20-50 card, I would agree completely, but I resent them looking down from their golden thrones with servants bearing grapes and bashing the man who ignores the high road and makes the choice that will benefit him after. if Wizards wants people to play well instead of rare drafting, they need to fix both the secondary market and prize structure so that being 8th with a regular foil Goyf does not net you roughly as much as 3rd without it. the system is broken so that in this situation the only ones who would not make that choice are pros who have not had to pay to play for longer than I have been playing
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
But anyways, it depend on the situation, if the pack have a Elesh Norn or Karn, and I am so close to pro tour entering or GP champion I will probably pick either of them over the Goyf.
Considering the price is almost 20k , well ... I guess I will pick the Goyf immediately, who cares if the community and the pro's going to laugh at you, in the end it is just a freaking game and you already make money than the GP champion anyways.
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He's already made more money than he would get for being Platinum for a whole season.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
And that goyf going at 16K, after fees and handing over 50% to charity that would leave him with what? about $7-7.5K? Which is quite awesome for a prize
However, false bidders are already confirmed. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153374025836499&set=a.62301466498.89394.728351498&type=1
I would highly recommend avoiding all sales by eBay seller Gurumtg for this incredibly dick-ish behavior. Show him that his 2-minutes of pleasure translates to hundreds if not thousands of dollars of lost revenue.