Yeah so feel free to respond to the part of my post you skipped over to get to the bit you got hooked on because right now it looks like you read it as "The fact that one box opener getting lots of duplicates over two boxes is being used as evidence" and that's not what i wrote because there's like seven words missing lmao but lets break this down.
To save you the trip: my points weren't that Wizards couldn't possibly be ****ening, they were
a) probability is weird to our gooey human brains, and ***** happens that should be impossible (or at least difficult) statistically with big regularity but no-one cares because they're not looking for intention, sample hypothetical quote "omg I got Jace and Recruiter and Akroma in my first three packs, what are the odds?" and the answer is like (1/121)*(1/121)*(1/121) for dependent results, I think, so 5.6447393e-7? or (1/121)*3=0.02479338842 (base odds taken from this linked topic but I'm obviously half-assing the hell out of this and it's been like 7 years since I cared about statistics and im doing this from memory so the actual numbers in calculation are probably different but I don't care tbh)
and you can continue this so it's like "Omg I got two boxes and in each box I got four mythics and twenty rares, and I love all of them, what are the odds of that?" and the odds are like (1/121)*(1/121)*(1/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(2/121)*(1/121)=1.0808142e-44 for a specific result or ((1/121)*4)*((2/121)*20)=0.01092821528 for the odds of just a sequence of 4 and 20 and then square that because two boxes to get a final result (i think) but very few people get quite so hype about MTG so people don't talk like that.
The fact is, like I said, the odds of getting any specific sequence of cards (or lottery numbers etc) is so low as to seem near impossible, we've just blundered into a sequence you care about.
b) that both arguments I referenced are kinda contradictory, because one argument says the boxes being dupe fests must be to push up Jace (or something) and the other argument says there being no dupes in multiple boxes must also be part of a plotted scheme (probably also to push Jace, but according to the locked topic in rumor mill that plotted scheme is BIG NONBINARY REMAKING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE so I wasn't intending to take much of this topic seriously but here we are) and essentially my whole reason for being in this topic is to read the banter
in conclusion, as much as I've *****talked Wizards for not shuffling their boosters correctly and building mappable boxes, this one duplicate box isn't enough evidence by itself to say the boxes aren't randomized because true randomness is eldritch bull***** which does stuff like this occasionally, and people saying that one box being duplicates is evidence at the same time as saying that other boxes not being duplicates is also evidence was funny to me, because it looked like people were just trying to find reasons to stay mad after they got mad.
No I quoted the part that was bunk on your part. The other didn't need quoting as it was correct. Didn't see that compliment coming did you? I understand randomness and many on this site do as well. To say we don't is insulting to a fair portion of this message board. And its been 27 years since I've taken a college level Statistics class but I remember enough to know the odds of Rudy's box opening are orders of magnitude to none. If you are trying to impress with experience, its not working on me, I've been around long enough and seen, heard, read and done quite a bit to know that there is more that I don't know than what I do. But I do know false statements when I see them. What I quoted from you, you meant to demean or insult. You are incorrect, lets move on from that.
Now if you'd like to debate whether his opening was the rule or the exception, I'm all open to that. From the anecdotal evidence I've seen so far and the box openings I've witnessed online, it seems to be the exception at this point. But again with such a small sample who knows. BUT, it did happen and that leads to concern. Glossing that over is a mistake at best and a cover up at worst. Now that the set is officially out, I'm anxious about news from end buyers. I know I'm not going to be the early adopter and I think it is reasonable to encourage others to think about their purchase as well.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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It is, however, guaranteed that WotC does have the ability to "randomize" the cards any way they wish. That much we know for certain.
You may have misstated this but be careful. There is only one way to randomize. Everything else would be semi-random or tracked/chosen. You can choose an order that may appear random, but actually isn't. Whatever the case WotC doesn't fully randomize their packs and it appears in this set that their sorting algorithm seems to be far less random-like than usual.
Something is up though, its seemingly different this time from what I've seen. We will see if it holds true. No need to pull any legs off at this point.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
It is, however, guaranteed that WotC does have the ability to "randomize" the cards any way they wish. That much we know for certain.
You may have misstated this but be careful. There is only one way to randomize. Everything else would be semi-random or tracked/chosen. You can choose an order that may appear random, but actually isn't. Whatever the case WotC doesn't fully randomize their packs and it appears in this set that their sorting algorithm seems to be far less random-like than usual.
Something is up though, its seemingly different this time from what I've seen. We will see if it holds true. No need to pull any legs off at this point.
I didn't misstate anything, you're misreading what you quoted.
It is, however, guaranteed that WotC does have the ability to "randomize" the cards any way they wish. That much we know for certain.
You may have misstated this but be careful. There is only one way to randomize. Everything else would be semi-random or tracked/chosen. You can choose an order that may appear random, but actually isn't. Whatever the case WotC doesn't fully randomize their packs and it appears in this set that their sorting algorithm seems to be far less random-like than usual.
Something is up though, its seemingly different this time from what I've seen. We will see if it holds true. No need to pull any legs off at this point.
I didn't misstate anything, you're misreading what you quoted.
No problem. BTW I did say "may" have as well. Sometimes its hard to tell intent on a message board and you default to the literal interpretation of what is written.
I think we both see how Wizards "randomizes" its cards in its packs. We can leave the legs on the spider right? No need to roll eyes at an honest mistake.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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No I quoted the part that was bunk on your part. The other didn't need quoting as it was correct. Didn't see that compliment coming did you? I understand randomness and many on this site do as well. To say we don't is insulting to a fair portion of this message board. And its been 27 years since I've taken a college level Statistics class but I remember enough to know the odds of Rudy's box opening are orders of magnitude to none. If you are trying to impress with experience, its not working on me, I've been around long enough and seen, heard, read and done quite a bit to know that there is more that I don't know than what I do. But I do know false statements when I see them. What I quoted from you, you meant to demean or insult. You are incorrect, lets move on from that.
Now if you'd like to debate whether his opening was the rule or the exception, I'm all open to that. From the anecdotal evidence I've seen so far and the box openings I've witnessed online, it seems to be the exception at this point. But again with such a small sample who knows. BUT, it did happen and that leads to concern. Glossing that over is a mistake at best and a cover up at worst. Now that the set is officially out, I'm anxious about news from end buyers. I know I'm not going to be the early adopter and I think it is reasonable to encourage others to think about their purchase as well.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
You may have misstated this but be careful. There is only one way to randomize. Everything else would be semi-random or tracked/chosen. You can choose an order that may appear random, but actually isn't. Whatever the case WotC doesn't fully randomize their packs and it appears in this set that their sorting algorithm seems to be far less random-like than usual.
Something is up though, its seemingly different this time from what I've seen. We will see if it holds true. No need to pull any legs off at this point.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
I didn't misstate anything, you're misreading what you quoted.
No problem. BTW I did say "may" have as well. Sometimes its hard to tell intent on a message board and you default to the literal interpretation of what is written.
I think we both see how Wizards "randomizes" its cards in its packs. We can leave the legs on the spider right? No need to roll eyes at an honest mistake.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."