Hello, I am new to the forum and wanted to see if I can get some help valuing a Mox Ruby that I am considering purchasing. I have seen heavily played Mox Ruby's of this set (Unlimited I think) selling in the $1600 range, but this is one of the most damaged ones I have seen.
I have some Power that is on this level of damage, however this Ruby has about 1/6th of the face covered in unreadable damage. The back doesn't matter as much as the face everyone wants to look at.... I'd say that with this much damage overall and with 1/6th of the face covered in damage, I would offer 1/6th of NM value to begin with. See where that gets you.
If that were LP it'd be around $2k right now. TCG doesn't have any NM listed... say $2500 for a NM?
$2500*0.167= $416.67 seems like a starting point at least, in my eyes
Depending how badly damaged the card is some alternate art magic could rescue the card to make it at least remotely pleasing to the eye.
Someone might be able to paint over the heavy damage to make it at least look like a real card.
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Alternate art makes it "heavy damaged" , but you are not losing anything here, but might upgrade the card from a horrific mess to an actual playable card.
Would totally go an find a good artist that can paint over the damage, easily a very well invested money that might drastically improve the cards value (you still have to clearly label it as "heavy damaged" and clearly say its "repaired" ; but its still a real magic card).
If the result of the repair looks good, its a vast improvement.
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Otherwise finding people that buy these cards will be very limited.
Id pay you like 100 bucks and then try to fix the card (its like buying a car that is a complete mess, you really wont get anything for it, but a lot more if you invest some money to repair its most brutal damages, at least for the eye).
I would pay near 0 for this mox ruby. I'm not sure what avenue you're coming from: whether you want playability or tradeability,
but every time you purchase heavily damaged cards you're automatically buying into a much lower liquidity.
When it comes to expensive cards such as these, people want to buy cards from SCG's idea of heavily played to NM. Anything above NM, like pristine cards becomes low liquidity again. It's not that people won't buy NM+ cards, it's that its going to be hard to find people to pay the extra premium for that extra little bit of condition.
So back to your problem at hand. Most gameshops won't even buy cards of that condition at any price. They can't sell it! So why cause yourself difficulty? There's a reason shops take the position they do. If you have a few hundred bucks to spare, shop elsewhere. Or just keep saving for a nicer mox.
I would pay near 0 for this mox ruby. I'm not sure what avenue you're coming from: whether you want playability or tradeability,
but every time you purchase heavily damaged cards you're automatically buying into a much lower liquidity.
When it comes to expensive cards such as these, people want to buy cards from SCG's idea of heavily played to NM. Anything above NM, like pristine cards becomes low liquidity again. It's not that people won't buy NM+ cards, it's that its going to be hard to find people to pay the extra premium for that extra little bit of condition.
So back to your problem at hand. Most gameshops won't even buy cards of that condition at any price. They can't sell it! So why cause yourself difficulty? There's a reason shops take the position they do. If you have a few hundred bucks to spare, shop elsewhere. Or just keep saving for a nicer mox.
I'm not disagreeing with you.
Considering all the factors such as the decreasing fluidity of cards of this nature on the market, does the OP have much of a choice? If we figure he offers $400 for that card then pays another say... $400 to a decent, experienced, artist to "repair" this card, he's still ahead by half. Not unreasonable if we assume all he wants is a legal*, playable in sleeves, card.
The OP hasn't said what he wants to do with this card. That's why I can't disagree with you. I would offer similar advice myself.
* I'm not entirely sure how much of a MtG card can be defaced before it's no longer considered a viable MtG card.
I have some Power that is on this level of damage, however this Ruby has about 1/6th of the face covered in unreadable damage. The back doesn't matter as much as the face everyone wants to look at.... I'd say that with this much damage overall and with 1/6th of the face covered in damage, I would offer 1/6th of NM value to begin with. See where that gets you.
If that were LP it'd be around $2k right now. TCG doesn't have any NM listed... say $2500 for a NM?
$2500*0.167= $416.67 seems like a starting point at least, in my eyes
I don't follow that logic. So if it .0001% of the surface was covered in unreadable damage (i.e. basically no damage) then you'd only pay .0001% of the cost of NM? The less of the card is damaged, the less you'll pay for it? Or is 1/6th just coincidentally where the lines of cost and damage% intersect?
Imo the #1 question is - is this legally playable in a sleeve? If the answer is yes, then I'd say it's still a pretty valuable commodity to anyone trying to play vintage, maybe $1000, but if it's not legally playable, then it's a $50 collector's item. I'd probably want to get a judge to take a look at it, ideally in person, before making any kind of decision.
I have some Power that is on this level of damage, however this Ruby has about 1/6th of the face covered in unreadable damage. The back doesn't matter as much as the face everyone wants to look at.... I'd say that with this much damage overall and with 1/6th of the face covered in damage, I would offer 1/6th of NM value to begin with. See where that gets you.
If that were LP it'd be around $2k right now. TCG doesn't have any NM listed... say $2500 for a NM?
$2500*0.167= $416.67 seems like a starting point at least, in my eyes
I don't follow that logic. So if it .0001% of the surface was covered in unreadable damage (i.e. basically no damage) then you'd only pay .0001% of the cost of NM? The less of the card is damaged, the less you'll pay for it? Or is 1/6th just coincidentally where the lines of cost and damage% intersect?
Imo the #1 question is - is this legally playable in a sleeve? If the answer is yes, then I'd say it's still a pretty valuable commodity to anyone trying to play vintage, maybe $1000, but if it's not legally playable, then it's a $50 collector's item. I'd probably want to get a judge to take a look at it, ideally in person, before making any kind of decision.
I wouldn't try to dig into the mathematical breakdown too much. I saw a card with about 1/6th of the face damaged to unreadable and quick head math put it at about a $400 card if the ceiling is $2500 for a NM and you offer 1/6th of that value for it. It's a coincidence but not without justification, it's reasonable in my eyes. Maybe offering $100 for it is too generous but this is anyone's guess as to what the card is worth. What it's worth is how much it takes to convince its current owner to let go of it.. Buying it could be a warm pizza and a 30 rack if it were some of the people I know
Do you still own this item? If so I would be interested in acquiring it.
It looks like he was thinking of buying, he didn't own it.
I'm still wondering what the answer was about game legality in a sleeve.
Its difficult to tell from an image because the main problem for legality besides the obvious "Can I tell what this is" is how it feels. It looks like it has some noticeable crinkles which could lead to it being noticeably thicker than other cards even when sleeved. Which makes it essentially worthless(probably a $50 novelty item).
Any idea what it's worth?
If that were LP it'd be around $2k right now. TCG doesn't have any NM listed... say $2500 for a NM?
$2500*0.167= $416.67 seems like a starting point at least, in my eyes
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Someone might be able to paint over the heavy damage to make it at least look like a real card.
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Alternate art makes it "heavy damaged" , but you are not losing anything here, but might upgrade the card from a horrific mess to an actual playable card.
Would totally go an find a good artist that can paint over the damage, easily a very well invested money that might drastically improve the cards value (you still have to clearly label it as "heavy damaged" and clearly say its "repaired" ; but its still a real magic card).
If the result of the repair looks good, its a vast improvement.
----
Otherwise finding people that buy these cards will be very limited.
Id pay you like 100 bucks and then try to fix the card (its like buying a car that is a complete mess, you really wont get anything for it, but a lot more if you invest some money to repair its most brutal damages, at least for the eye).
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but every time you purchase heavily damaged cards you're automatically buying into a much lower liquidity.
When it comes to expensive cards such as these, people want to buy cards from SCG's idea of heavily played to NM. Anything above NM, like pristine cards becomes low liquidity again. It's not that people won't buy NM+ cards, it's that its going to be hard to find people to pay the extra premium for that extra little bit of condition.
So back to your problem at hand. Most gameshops won't even buy cards of that condition at any price. They can't sell it! So why cause yourself difficulty? There's a reason shops take the position they do. If you have a few hundred bucks to spare, shop elsewhere. Or just keep saving for a nicer mox.
I'm not disagreeing with you.
Considering all the factors such as the decreasing fluidity of cards of this nature on the market, does the OP have much of a choice? If we figure he offers $400 for that card then pays another say... $400 to a decent, experienced, artist to "repair" this card, he's still ahead by half. Not unreasonable if we assume all he wants is a legal*, playable in sleeves, card.
The OP hasn't said what he wants to do with this card. That's why I can't disagree with you. I would offer similar advice myself.
* I'm not entirely sure how much of a MtG card can be defaced before it's no longer considered a viable MtG card.
Imo the #1 question is - is this legally playable in a sleeve? If the answer is yes, then I'd say it's still a pretty valuable commodity to anyone trying to play vintage, maybe $1000, but if it's not legally playable, then it's a $50 collector's item. I'd probably want to get a judge to take a look at it, ideally in person, before making any kind of decision.
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I wouldn't try to dig into the mathematical breakdown too much. I saw a card with about 1/6th of the face damaged to unreadable and quick head math put it at about a $400 card if the ceiling is $2500 for a NM and you offer 1/6th of that value for it. It's a coincidence but not without justification, it's reasonable in my eyes. Maybe offering $100 for it is too generous but this is anyone's guess as to what the card is worth. What it's worth is how much it takes to convince its current owner to let go of it.. Buying it could be a warm pizza and a 30 rack if it were some of the people I know
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I'm still wondering what the answer was about game legality in a sleeve.
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