Meet thraximundar. a cunning goblin in the cruel colors of grixis, a true sadisting monster.
now Meet Ulamog's Crusher... the only thing that thraximundar can do that this guy can't is grow bigger over many turns...
not to mention this guy is collorless, yes he costs one more but ANY deck can play it as long as it can reach the required mana.
don't get me wrong eldrazi look pretty cool but mechanics wise r&d they really f'd up. solely by making them collorless.
want a counterspell in red-green? no worries Kozilek, the Great Distortion got you covered
eldrazi RUIN the color pie and they are collorless without the added effect of costing more mana than a normal creature would do.
my second problem is how big eldrazi's are more cruel than grixis, freaking grixis!
now i understand that a spell costing more than 8 mana should be a game ender
but something like Void Winnower is just straight up wrong
honestly i would love eldrazi wasn't it for the fact annihilator 2 and up are complete BS and the ways the ones who can protect themselves are even more BS
all in all so far my "favorite" eldrazi is Kozilek, the Great Distortion simply because it's only annihilator is menace which makes you at least choose between either 2 creatures or 12 damage, not both like the other ones do. and the way it protects itself is quite easy to break trough, especially compared to the other ones.
The first wave of Eldrazi did it "right" , as they are all super expensive, to a degree that a normal deck really cannot realistically play them at all.
In formats with crazy mana acceleration, especially in Sol Ring and its abomination of friends, colorless becomes trivial and even easier to ramp than colors.
The big and expensive Eldrazi are "fine" if you pay a lot of cards to actually cast them.
The real issue with Annihilator is that it eats lands, thats what makes the mechanic truly problematic in the first couple of turns.
Later on, the mechanic works fine, as its mend to end a game, providing a steady flow of destruction when Eldrazi actually attack, which is exactly what they are supposed to be doing (They bring the apocalypse to worlds).
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The cheap Eldrazi kinda ruined all the Eldrazi stood for, making them small is a very poor design choice, and it makes them way too similar to existing cards in actual colors.
Having truly huge "colorless" fatties was a good thing to have, as normally your expensive creature is just killed by a 1 mana removal spell or countered while cast , so Eldrazi worked quite well around that to provide a truly BIG creature that had a reason to use all the mana acceleration to actually cast them (but then again, cheating them in play is always an issue, so theres that).
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The big Eldrazi give you a reason to end a game when you can, do it quick, if you know you have a hard time in the late game.
Cards like Void Winnower are fantastic cards on their own, as they provide an angle that magic normally doesnt explore, odd/even manacosts are normally not considered in deck building, but suddenly its a thing.
Eldrazi have to feel special at higher rarity, they should be as "alien" as possible and do truly crazy stuff.
my second problem is how big eldrazi's are more cruel than grixis, freaking grixis!
The Eldrazi are not cruel, they just are. Is a lion eating a gazelle cruel? No, that's just what lions do. Same with the Eldrazi eating a plane. It's just their nature.
Emrakul is the only one who has specifically demonstrated anything like intelligence as we know it. Emrakul possessed Tamiyo and told Jace that she "didn't want to play any more", like the two Zendikar storylines and the Shadows over Innistrad storyline were just games to her.
all in all so far my "favorite" eldrazi is Kozilek, the Great Distortion simply because it's only annihilator is menace which makes you at least choose between either 2 creatures or 12 damage, not both like the other ones do.
Only the original wave of Eldrazi (from ROE) have annihilator, and even then, only 10 of them have it. (Bane of Bala Ged sort of has it, as well.) Most eldrazi don't protect themselves in any way either; that's almost exclusively the Eldrazi titans Kozilek, Ulamog, and Emrakul. Of the 138 Eldrazi creature cards, only a handful protect themselves. And of the ones that do, most of them are non-Eldrazi that were reshaped by Emrakul.
Although the cards are overpowered, they are not so overpowered that they fall into the category of ruination that is not solvable in the future. For example, Emrakul, the Aeons is overpowered to the extent that it is banned in Commander, and it is only ever cheated into play in the most stringent of Vintage and Legacy play. They have pushed the envelope, and what becomes possible at the multicolor, triple color, or even maybe 7 mana spectrum is now expanded. Next section; Bane of Bala Ged section, what can you get for 6 mana, or maybe 5 mana... inclusive of planeswalkers. Their flavor is pretty win, and is also historical even if you don't like that history. Let's say... mistake on a scale of 7 out of 10. Look at the M11 Titans. That is too much, too, but also it's not for the barest of outliers. Typically you could just Disenchant or Shatter a creature as ridiculous as that, so you are completely correct. Let's say "100% put on the brakes, and also, pretty played out for existing at all" is how you would have to evaluate the possibility of these being increased to the point that you quit Magic. Design would know beyond a shadow of a doubt what the takeaway from Eldrazi winter is, far be it from only kitchen table. Eldrazis don't bestow, they don't evoke, and they don't morph. That's something. Is that not something? You can get an Avenger of Zendikar and a Craterhoof Behemoth in the ramp section and population wise that section will only improve, and multicolor would include marquee cards usually. You will probably not quit Magic, I am guessing, am I right?
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Meet thraximundar. a cunning goblin in the cruel colors of grixis, a true sadisting monster.
Thraximundar isn't a goblin. He's seven feet tall and rides a Dreg Reaver into battle.
blech! forgot that was a zombie assasin, i dont use that card that often as i don't have the support for it. confused it with a big scary goblin. my bad.
my second problem is how big eldrazi's are more cruel than grixis, freaking grixis!
The Eldrazi are not cruel, they just are. Is a lion eating a gazelle cruel? No, that's just what lions do. Same with the Eldrazi eating a plane. It's just their nature.
Emrakul is the only one who has specifically demonstrated anything like intelligence as we know it. Emrakul possessed Tamiyo and told Jace that she "didn't want to play any more", like the two Zendikar storylines and the Shadows over Innistrad storyline were just games to her.
well i don't think that is a hardly fair analysis, ofcourse a lion eating it's prey is cruel even if it's in their nature, is it not cruel if a serial killer murders someone even if it's in that person's nature? ofcourse it's cruel!
and i compared this cruelty to nicol bolas, the guy who is so evil and cruel he is in grixis, the color comination that is ment to be the definition of cruelty. an early game eldrazi titan from a deck focused on getting them out early is extremely cruel, because you don't have that many permanents yet. and then suddenly compared to that nicol bolas abducting your creatures and destroying anything not a creature isn't as cruel anymore. and this is mostly a problem game-mechanics wise. flavor wise i have no objections.
all in all so far my "favorite" eldrazi is Kozilek, the Great Distortion simply because it's only annihilator is menace which makes you at least choose between either 2 creatures or 12 damage, not both like the other ones do.
Only the original wave of Eldrazi (from ROE) have annihilator, and even then, only 10 of them have it. (Bane of Bala Ged sort of has it, as well.) Most eldrazi don't protect themselves in any way either; that's almost exclusively the Eldrazi titans Kozilek, Ulamog, and Emrakul. Of the 138 Eldrazi creature cards, only a handful protect themselves. And of the ones that do, most of them are non-Eldrazi that were reshaped by Emrakul.[/quote]
good information.
You will probably not quit Magic, I am guessing, am I right?
OFCOURSE NOT! i am hopelessely addicted to having some commander fun with friends. besides, cards like these that get on my nerves i simply don't play and play against.
my second problem is how big eldrazi's are more cruel than grixis, freaking grixis!
The Eldrazi are not cruel, they just are. Is a lion eating a gazelle cruel? No, that's just what lions do. Same with the Eldrazi eating a plane. It's just their nature.
Emrakul is the only one who has specifically demonstrated anything like intelligence as we know it. Emrakul possessed Tamiyo and told Jace that she "didn't want to play any more", like the two Zendikar storylines and the Shadows over Innistrad storyline were just games to her.
well i don't think that is a hardly fair analysis, ofcourse a lion eating it's prey is cruel even if it's in their nature, is it not cruel if a serial killer murders someone even if it's in that person's nature? ofcourse it's cruel!
and i compared this cruelty to nicol bolas, the guy who is so evil and cruel he is in grixis, the color comination that is ment to be the definition of cruelty. an early game eldrazi titan from a deck focused on getting them out early is extremely cruel, because you don't have that many permanents yet. and then suddenly compared to that nicol bolas abducting your creatures and destroying anything not a creature isn't as cruel anymore. and this is mostly a problem game-mechanics wise. flavor wise i have no objections.
Cruelty requires an understanding that what you are doing is causing suffering in others, and a callous indifference to that suffering. In the real world, while many animals (including lions) are sentient, only humans are sapient, and so we are the only beings we know of that are capable of cruelty. Emrakul demonstrated sapience, but also appeared to have a childlike innocence, not comprehending that what she was doing was inflicting harm; such a character is also incapable of cruelty.
now Meet Ulamog's Crusher... the only thing that thraximundar can do that this guy can't is grow bigger over many turns...
not to mention this guy is collorless, yes he costs one more but ANY deck can play it as long as it can reach the required mana.
don't get me wrong eldrazi look pretty cool but mechanics wise r&d they really f'd up. solely by making them collorless.
want a counterspell in red-green? no worries Kozilek, the Great Distortion got you covered
eldrazi RUIN the color pie and they are collorless without the added effect of costing more mana than a normal creature would do.
my second problem is how big eldrazi's are more cruel than grixis, freaking grixis!
HA you tought Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker was evil?
oh boy you haven't met It That Betrays.
or Kozilek, Butcher of Truth ( sacrificing 4 permanents AND having to take 12 damage in the face? what were they thinking?)
now i understand that a spell costing more than 8 mana should be a game ender
but something like Void Winnower is just straight up wrong
honestly i would love eldrazi wasn't it for the fact annihilator 2 and up are complete BS and the ways the ones who can protect themselves are even more BS
all in all so far my "favorite" eldrazi is Kozilek, the Great Distortion simply because it's only annihilator is menace which makes you at least choose between either 2 creatures or 12 damage, not both like the other ones do. and the way it protects itself is quite easy to break trough, especially compared to the other ones.
In formats with crazy mana acceleration, especially in Sol Ring and its abomination of friends, colorless becomes trivial and even easier to ramp than colors.
The big and expensive Eldrazi are "fine" if you pay a lot of cards to actually cast them.
The real issue with Annihilator is that it eats lands, thats what makes the mechanic truly problematic in the first couple of turns.
Later on, the mechanic works fine, as its mend to end a game, providing a steady flow of destruction when Eldrazi actually attack, which is exactly what they are supposed to be doing (They bring the apocalypse to worlds).
----
The cheap Eldrazi kinda ruined all the Eldrazi stood for, making them small is a very poor design choice, and it makes them way too similar to existing cards in actual colors.
Having truly huge "colorless" fatties was a good thing to have, as normally your expensive creature is just killed by a 1 mana removal spell or countered while cast , so Eldrazi worked quite well around that to provide a truly BIG creature that had a reason to use all the mana acceleration to actually cast them (but then again, cheating them in play is always an issue, so theres that).
----
The big Eldrazi give you a reason to end a game when you can, do it quick, if you know you have a hard time in the late game.
Cards like Void Winnower are fantastic cards on their own, as they provide an angle that magic normally doesnt explore, odd/even manacosts are normally not considered in deck building, but suddenly its a thing.
Eldrazi have to feel special at higher rarity, they should be as "alien" as possible and do truly crazy stuff.
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Compared to 3 Eldrazi counterspells and 3 artifact counterspells that have nothing to do with Eldrazi and were printed years before Eldrazi existed.The Eldrazi are not cruel, they just are. Is a lion eating a gazelle cruel? No, that's just what lions do. Same with the Eldrazi eating a plane. It's just their nature.
Emrakul is the only one who has specifically demonstrated anything like intelligence as we know it. Emrakul possessed Tamiyo and told Jace that she "didn't want to play any more", like the two Zendikar storylines and the Shadows over Innistrad storyline were just games to her.
Only the original wave of Eldrazi (from ROE) have annihilator, and even then, only 10 of them have it. (Bane of Bala Ged sort of has it, as well.) Most eldrazi don't protect themselves in any way either; that's almost exclusively the Eldrazi titans Kozilek, Ulamog, and Emrakul. Of the 138 Eldrazi creature cards, only a handful protect themselves. And of the ones that do, most of them are non-Eldrazi that were reshaped by Emrakul.
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Although the cards are overpowered, they are not so overpowered that they fall into the category of ruination that is not solvable in the future. For example, Emrakul, the Aeons is overpowered to the extent that it is banned in Commander, and it is only ever cheated into play in the most stringent of Vintage and Legacy play. They have pushed the envelope, and what becomes possible at the multicolor, triple color, or even maybe 7 mana spectrum is now expanded. Next section; Bane of Bala Ged section, what can you get for 6 mana, or maybe 5 mana... inclusive of planeswalkers. Their flavor is pretty win, and is also historical even if you don't like that history. Let's say... mistake on a scale of 7 out of 10. Look at the M11 Titans. That is too much, too, but also it's not for the barest of outliers. Typically you could just Disenchant or Shatter a creature as ridiculous as that, so you are completely correct. Let's say "100% put on the brakes, and also, pretty played out for existing at all" is how you would have to evaluate the possibility of these being increased to the point that you quit Magic. Design would know beyond a shadow of a doubt what the takeaway from Eldrazi winter is, far be it from only kitchen table. Eldrazis don't bestow, they don't evoke, and they don't morph. That's something. Is that not something? You can get an Avenger of Zendikar and a Craterhoof Behemoth in the ramp section and population wise that section will only improve, and multicolor would include marquee cards usually. You will probably not quit Magic, I am guessing, am I right?
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blech! forgot that was a zombie assasin, i dont use that card that often as i don't have the support for it. confused it with a big scary goblin. my bad.
well most of those examples are A from the time R&D was mostly experimenting or B only counter blue.
well i don't think that is a hardly fair analysis, ofcourse a lion eating it's prey is cruel even if it's in their nature, is it not cruel if a serial killer murders someone even if it's in that person's nature? ofcourse it's cruel!
and i compared this cruelty to nicol bolas, the guy who is so evil and cruel he is in grixis, the color comination that is ment to be the definition of cruelty. an early game eldrazi titan from a deck focused on getting them out early is extremely cruel, because you don't have that many permanents yet. and then suddenly compared to that nicol bolas abducting your creatures and destroying anything not a creature isn't as cruel anymore. and this is mostly a problem game-mechanics wise. flavor wise i have no objections.
Only the original wave of Eldrazi (from ROE) have annihilator, and even then, only 10 of them have it. (Bane of Bala Ged sort of has it, as well.) Most eldrazi don't protect themselves in any way either; that's almost exclusively the Eldrazi titans Kozilek, Ulamog, and Emrakul. Of the 138 Eldrazi creature cards, only a handful protect themselves. And of the ones that do, most of them are non-Eldrazi that were reshaped by Emrakul.[/quote]
good information.
OFCOURSE NOT! i am hopelessely addicted to having some commander fun with friends. besides, cards like these that get on my nerves i simply don't play and play against.
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