So I was recently at my LGS and I had a Narset, Parter of Veils in play, on my opponents turn he cast 3 Manamorphose and drew 3 cards with Narset in play. My opponent was more experienced than I am so I assumed he knew of Narset's static only allowing you to draw 1 card each turn. So he went on to tell me that since Narset was my card that I was responsible for her "triggered" ability therefor he gets to keep the 3 cards he drew with Narset in play. Was this the correct ruling or should I have been able to pick three cards from his hand to place at the bottom of his deck ?
So I was recently at my LGS and I had a Narset in play, on my opponents turn he cast 3 Manamorphose and drew 3 cards with Narset in play. My opponent was more experienced than I am so I assumed he knew of Narset's static only allowing you to draw 1 card each turn. So he went on to tell me that since Narset was my card that I was responsible for her "triggered" ability therefor he gets to keep the 3 cards he drew with Narset in play. Was this the correct ruling or should I have been able to pick three cards from his hand to place at the bottom of his deck ?
You should have called a judge and had them resolve it. It is the responsibility of both players that the game of magic is played correctly. The opponent being wrong about the ability being a trigger is irrelevant, whenever an error is made call a judge to fix the problem.
The appropriate fix is typically to take three cards from their hand and shuffle them into their library. However, it is important to call a judge because this could be a pattern indicative of cheating.
So I was recently at my LGS and I had a Narset in play, on my opponents turn he cast 3 Manamorphose and drew 3 cards with Narset in play. My opponent was more experienced than I am so I assumed he knew of Narset's static only allowing you to draw 1 card each turn. So he went on to tell me that since Narset was my card that I was responsible for her "triggered" ability therefor he gets to keep the 3 cards he drew with Narset in play. Was this the correct ruling or should I have been able to pick three cards from his hand to place at the bottom of his deck ?
My understanding is that since it it not a 'may' on your part, there is no situation where he gets the cards. the judge would make the call about putting them back and shuffling, picking 3, etc, how to deal with it, but he does not get to draw the cards. you should definitely keep track of the ability, but it's like Chalice of the Void , it's not a 'may', it's not optional, and it does not depend on any action from you. once he was reminded or otherwise became aware that Narset was in play, he was either wrong if he is not a particularly experienced player, or trying to cheat if he is.
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you should definitely keep track of the ability, but it's like Chalice of the Void , it's not a 'may', it's not optional, and it does not depend on any action from you. once he was reminded or otherwise became aware that Narset was in play, he was either wrong if he is not a particularly experienced player, or trying to cheat if he is.
It is important to note that this is different than Chalice. In the case of Chalice, you still need to remember your own trigger; not being a "may" doesn't change things here. It does potentially change the resolution the judge may offer, but that doesn't matter much in OP's situation.
You are not responsible for reminding your opponent of your triggers but, as user_938036 mentioned above, this is not a trigger and it is thus both players' responsibility to play by the rules set by Narset. Ignoring it can be determined to be cheating (after a thorough investigation of course). But, as mentioned, a judge should be called. You mentioned a judge was not present, but someone is always acting as a judge (usually the TO or store owner if no actual judge is present) so you may want to talk to them about this so you know who to go to next time and to make sure things like this don't happen in the future. Or, as much as you can guarantee that without a certified judge.
Okay well thanks for the input here everyone, I pretty much figured he wasn't exempt but the guy I played before him also asked for a judge and he was referred to the person who said that it was my fault alone that I didn't catch him drawing cards with Narset in play. So if the person that the employee refers you to is saying something is one way there wasn't much I could do. Next time I'll know though and can pull this post up if need be.
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The appropriate fix is typically to take three cards from their hand and shuffle them into their library. However, it is important to call a judge because this could be a pattern indicative of cheating.
My understanding is that since it it not a 'may' on your part, there is no situation where he gets the cards. the judge would make the call about putting them back and shuffling, picking 3, etc, how to deal with it, but he does not get to draw the cards. you should definitely keep track of the ability, but it's like Chalice of the Void , it's not a 'may', it's not optional, and it does not depend on any action from you. once he was reminded or otherwise became aware that Narset was in play, he was either wrong if he is not a particularly experienced player, or trying to cheat if he is.
You are not responsible for reminding your opponent of your triggers but, as user_938036 mentioned above, this is not a trigger and it is thus both players' responsibility to play by the rules set by Narset. Ignoring it can be determined to be cheating (after a thorough investigation of course). But, as mentioned, a judge should be called. You mentioned a judge was not present, but someone is always acting as a judge (usually the TO or store owner if no actual judge is present) so you may want to talk to them about this so you know who to go to next time and to make sure things like this don't happen in the future. Or, as much as you can guarantee that without a certified judge.