Hi everyone,
I had an unexpected interaction today at arena and wanted to understand as I like knowing how rules work.
My opponent had a "Leyline of the Void" and a 2/2, I had a 1/1(cauldron familiar) and then played "Massacre Girl".
"Massacre Girl" triggered giving everything -1/-1 and killed my 1/1. After it died and put into my graveyard it is exiled as expected but Massacre Girl did not trigger again.
I am not sure how "Leyline of the Void" works with on death affects? Do we assume they are exiled instead of dying?
After it died and put into my graveyard it is exiled as expected but Massacre Girl did not trigger again.
Not "after". "Instead." It never went to your graveyard, so there was no reason for that ability to trigger.
614. Replacement Effects
614.1. Some continuous effects are replacement effects. Like prevention effects (see rule 615),
replacement effects apply continuously as events happen—they aren’t locked in ahead of time. Such
effects watch for a particular event that would happen and completely or partially replace that event
with a different event. They act like “shields” around whatever they’re affecting.
614.1a Effects that use the word “instead” are replacement effects. Most replacement effects use the
word “instead” to indicate what events will be replaced with other events.
614.6. If an event is replaced, it never happens. A modified event occurs instead, which may in turn
trigger abilities. Note that the modified event may contain instructions that can’t be carried out, in
which case the impossible instruction is simply ignored.
700.4. The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.”
Massacre Girl sets up what is known as a "Dies" trigger. Meaning it specifically looks for creatures moving from the battlefield to the graveyard. Leyline of the Void has a replacement effect that changes going to the graveyard to going to exile. When something is replaced the original event never happens so when your 1/1 was sent to the graveyard, it never actually went to the graveyard it went straight to exile. Because of this there was no creature that died so MG didn't trigger. So yes Leyline of the Void shuts down all dies triggers.
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I had an unexpected interaction today at arena and wanted to understand as I like knowing how rules work.
My opponent had a "Leyline of the Void" and a 2/2, I had a 1/1(cauldron familiar) and then played "Massacre Girl".
"Massacre Girl" triggered giving everything -1/-1 and killed my 1/1. After it died and put into my graveyard it is exiled as expected but Massacre Girl did not trigger again.
I am not sure how "Leyline of the Void" works with on death affects? Do we assume they are exiled instead of dying?
[c]Massacre Girl[/c] -> Massacre Girl
[c]Cauldron Familiar[/c] -> Cauldron Familiar
Not "after". "Instead." It never went to your graveyard, so there was no reason for that ability to trigger.
That's not an assumption, that's an explicit statement. "If a card would be put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead."
Massacre Girl sets up what is known as a "Dies" trigger. Meaning it specifically looks for creatures moving from the battlefield to the graveyard. Leyline of the Void has a replacement effect that changes going to the graveyard to going to exile. When something is replaced the original event never happens so when your 1/1 was sent to the graveyard, it never actually went to the graveyard it went straight to exile. Because of this there was no creature that died so MG didn't trigger. So yes Leyline of the Void shuts down all dies triggers.