I would also like it if me and you got the same number of prizes.
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Originally Posted by Massive Marc
You know back in the old days, when there wasn't EDH, these "griefer" cards in decks were the norm. If you played a Winter Orb when you're opponents were tapped out, it was a good play. Now, you get people tell you they wanna punch you ? It's really sad how carebare this format is, to the point that some loser has to rip up your cards.
When you say Top 8 Split, do you mean all remaining competitors in the Top 8 choose to split the total prize, or do you mean two of the (more than two) remaining competitors choose to split their winnings?
If the former, it's pretty easy. You ask "does everyone want to split the Top X prizes?" If everyone says yes, then you're good to go, either to keep playing for the title or to go home. Usually, a judge can help with this.
If the latter, it's a bit more tricky. Here's how I see it:
There are two facts that each player might know about in a conversation like this:
a) how the prizes will be distributed between them, and
b) what the match result will be (in terms of conceding or drawing)
If both players know both facts before the match is over, then we have a problem.
So let's go through a few common scenarios:
1. Aardvark and Nutella choose to prize split without discussing prizes. After that, Artichoke chooses to concede. No problem, because Nutella doesn't know about the concession until the match has ended.
2. Aardvark and Nutella choose to prize split without discussing prizes. After that, Aardvark asks Nutella to concede (or draw). Problem, because both players would know both facts if Nutella said yes.
3. Aardvark and Nutella choose to draw, or one chooses to concede to the other. After that, anything they discuss is no problem because, the match result has been decided.
Hopefully that helps.
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I was talking to a level 1 at states about common newbie mistakes that can escalate into Very Bad Things, and improperly determining a winner/bribery was easily the top issue he ran into.
As far as splitting between the whole top8, azn addressed it fairly well. As far as individual prize matches go, The key is to discuss things in terms of winner/loser/draw, not me/you. Asking "wanna split prizes 50/50 no matter the result?" is fine. "winner gets the PT invite, loser gets all the packs?" is fine. "I'll give you some of my prizes if you scoop to me" is not.
If you want to orchestrate a prize split and don't know how to word it without risking a DQ, call a judge to help.
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I would like to draw.
I would also like it if me and you got the same number of prizes.
You know back in the old days, when there wasn't EDH, these "griefer" cards in decks were the norm. If you played a Winter Orb when you're opponents were tapped out, it was a good play. Now, you get people tell you they wanna punch you ? It's really sad how carebare this format is, to the point that some loser has to rip up your cards.
If the former, it's pretty easy. You ask "does everyone want to split the Top X prizes?" If everyone says yes, then you're good to go, either to keep playing for the title or to go home. Usually, a judge can help with this.
If the latter, it's a bit more tricky. Here's how I see it:
There are two facts that each player might know about in a conversation like this:
a) how the prizes will be distributed between them, and
b) what the match result will be (in terms of conceding or drawing)
If both players know both facts before the match is over, then we have a problem.
So let's go through a few common scenarios:
1. Aardvark and Nutella choose to prize split without discussing prizes. After that, Artichoke chooses to concede. No problem, because Nutella doesn't know about the concession until the match has ended.
2. Aardvark and Nutella choose to prize split without discussing prizes. After that, Aardvark asks Nutella to concede (or draw). Problem, because both players would know both facts if Nutella said yes.
3. Aardvark and Nutella choose to draw, or one chooses to concede to the other. After that, anything they discuss is no problem because, the match result has been decided.
Hopefully that helps.
Do you know any judges who always impress you with their work ethic, knowledge, or attitude? Nominate them to be the next Judge of the Week!
As far as splitting between the whole top8, azn addressed it fairly well. As far as individual prize matches go, The key is to discuss things in terms of winner/loser/draw, not me/you. Asking "wanna split prizes 50/50 no matter the result?" is fine. "winner gets the PT invite, loser gets all the packs?" is fine. "I'll give you some of my prizes if you scoop to me" is not.
If you want to orchestrate a prize split and don't know how to word it without risking a DQ, call a judge to help.
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