On the third page of Journey to the Eye, part deux, Sarkhan Vol, holding a hedron, says: "Still this is no mere stone. A mason's block. A masters tool."
Might hedrons be some form of tool, as opposed to monuments to, prisons for, or Eldrazi themselves? Little mana-bond disruptors that cause the roil?
Later: "You! False God! I've killed your kind before. You can't rule in the pit of night."
A reference to Karona (who looks nothing like a four eyed lizard, mind you) or a curse akin to "Urza's Eyes" ? Or, since Sarkhan left his mind at the door, can we disregard this as nonsensical and insignificant?
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I'd probably dismiss a lot of Vol's rantings as just that: rantings. However, there are a few things that he says amid the "draconic overload" which are profound. I don't remember any of them This might be one but i dont know.
As for hedrons being bond-disruption devices, it may have stake in telling why Chandra's magic was so impotent [at least initially]. In addition, weren't the hedrons supposedly MADE by the Eldrazi or something? If so, couldn't they be made for that exact reason, so that the Eldrazi could be ultimately more powerful in comparison upon awakening? It seems quite plausible.
The more power hedron theory seems plausible. It sounds better than "They must be prisons, look at the expansion symbol," but that's just me. If it weakened other magic (i.e. non Eldrazi magic) Wizards could represent that mechanically with "Hedron. Xx spells costs more," etc. Slowing the game to your own lethargic, just-woke-up-from-ancient-slumber Eldrazi pace would be a flavourful control archetype/method.
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The hedron's seem to enhance creatures that have them, and elves steal them, so I don't know how negative they could be. I am speaking only based on card art.
Sarkhan's text in that comic is going to be riddles at most, nonsense at worst.
It seems likely that the hedrons were created by the Eldrazi, since we don't know of any other major civilization that was known to have lived on Zendikar.
We know that hedrons are what cause the weird gravity effects, like floating trees and other impossible geologic formations. I believe small ones can also be used to point towards other hedrons, like a compass. But their effects seem to be unpredictable, at times; some seem to "reverse polarity" and emit a repulsive effect, while at other times have an attractive one.
I fully expect to get better explanations when the Eldrazi are fully revealed.
"You! False God! I've killed your kind before. You can't rule in the pit of night."
A reference to Karona (who looks nothing like a four eyed lizard, mind you) or a curse akin to "Urza's Eyes" ? Or, since Sarkhan left his mind at the door, can we disregard this as nonsensical and insignificant?
NOTE: First thread... please be gentle.
Yeah, toss all thoughts of Karona out the door. Everyone would prefer to just forget anything she ever did. I don't think anybody at wizards would willfully and purposefully bring her mess back into anything.
It's most likely just to be taken that he killed a big lizard which he probably equates as being a false god, given his relationship with dragons.
"You! False God! I've killed your kind before. You can't rule in the pit of night."
This is probably referring to Nicol Bolas. Nicol Bolas is a self-proclaimed god, Sarkhan has killed dragons before and the pit of night would probably be Grixis.
However this also doesn't make sense because I thought Sarkhan would be aware of what happened to Nicol Bolas at the end of Alara Unbroken. But, then again, he sort of did lose of his marbles somewhere in the multiverse.
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Later: "You! False God! I've killed your kind before. You can't rule in the pit of night."
A reference to Karona (who looks nothing like a four eyed lizard, mind you) or a curse akin to "Urza's Eyes" ? Or, since Sarkhan left his mind at the door, can we disregard this as nonsensical and insignificant?
NOTE: First thread... please be gentle.
Probably not, there are better false gods than Karona. And Sarkahn worships dragons, I doubt he's referring to Bolas. If anything it could be a very odd reference to Yawgmoth, who was by all means a false god, who ruled in a pit of pure black magic(night). It could be something entirely different though, a creature doesn't need to actually have god-like powers in order to set themselves up as a false god.
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Isn't Vol Bolas' slave atm?
that would help explain if he knew about the end of Alara Unbroken
Yes, plus Vol was in Alara when the fight was happening.
I doubt Karona is involved, mainly because every single Magic player would storm MTG central and force them to read AU non-stop for a whole month until their brains were mush! Plus it just doesn't make sense, anyone who knew Karona is probably dead by now except maybe a few religions that worshipped her, possibly.
As for the Hedrons all we know is they are a monument to an old Empire, which obviously refers to the Eldrazi. What they are exactly we won't find out til Rise of the Eldrazi.
Well from the card Nature's Claim we get this illuminating bit of text...
"On this plane, the use of magic can provoke a ferocious reprisal from nature. Whoever the Eldrazi were, their relics left Zendikar forever enraged." —Jace Beleren
Note: This is from Jace. An outsider. I think it's pretty safe to assume the Hedron's were created by the Eldrazi.
What is the purpose of a Hedron... don't know. They could be used to turn Zendikar into a large machine, suitable for taking over the multiverse, or they could be batteries of magic, taming Zendikar's wild magic.
The Eldrazi themselves certainly qualify as false gods. When they were still around, didn't they enslave the other humanoid races? I remember that the vampires at least were at one time Eldrazi slaves, similar to the situation under the Primeval Dragons.
Yes, plus Vol was in Alara when the fight was happening.
I doubt Karona is involved, mainly because every single Magic player would storm MTG central and force them to read AU non-stop for a whole month until their brains were mush! Plus it just doesn't make sense, anyone who knew Karona is probably dead by now except maybe a few religions that worshipped her, possibly.
As for the Hedrons all we know is they are a monument to an old Empire, which obviously refers to the Eldrazi. What they are exactly we won't find out til Rise of the Eldrazi.
Oh come one, we can do worse than that. We should make them read Prophecy and Scourge back to back solidly for a week. That should melt their brains much much faster.
Chances are it's something completely different and new.
Wizards? Do something new and different!? That's like saying voting will make a difference! HA!
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I would say that with the game itself and with the setting of the worlds portrayed by the game that they do innovative work at best and interesting work at worst. It's only the novels that I feel are pretty generic shared-world fantasy.
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I would say that with the game itself and with the setting of the worlds portrayed by the game that they do innovative work at best and interesting work at worst. It's only the novels that I feel are pretty generic shared-world fantasy.
The novels too, keep it pretty innovative...
Mirrodin was an action story.
Kamigawa was an Asian adventure story.
Ravnica was a mystery novel.
Time spiral was... well i don't know what Time spiral was.
Lorwyn was a... well it should have been a fairy tale...
Alara reborn was... well i don't know.
^ Anyways, they've kind of been in a funk of not having clearly defined genres for the past few books, but before that, they've been great at giving each novel a unique feel.
Well from the card Nature's Claim we get this illuminating bit of text...
"On this plane, the use of magic can provoke a ferocious reprisal from nature. Whoever the Eldrazi were, their relics left Zendikar forever enraged." —Jace Beleren
Note: This is from Jace. An outsider. I think it's pretty safe to assume the Hedron's were created by the Eldrazi.
What is the purpose of a Hedron... don't know. They could be used to turn Zendikar into a large machine, suitable for taking over the multiverse, or they could be batteries of magic, taming Zendikar's wild magic.
I am thinking that the Eldrazi created them as a Mana storage device yes, to feed off of them. Recently they have been called "titan aether parasites" so it would make sense if they live on Zendikar that the Hedrons were created as a feeding tool for their hunger, so they do not eat and destroy the mana of Zendikar...after all they need a home to live on.
I dunno, this all seems a little contrived and too Marvel-Galactus to me. hopefully I am reading it wrong!
Mirrodin was an action story.
Kamigawa was an Asian adventure story.
Ravnica was a mystery novel.
Time spiral was... well i don't know what Time spiral was.
Lorwyn was a... well it should have been a fairy tale...
Alara reborn was... well i don't know.
^ Anyways, they've kind of been in a funk of not having clearly defined genres for the past few books, but before that, they've been great at giving each novel a unique feel.
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
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Anyways, they have tried to shake things up from time to time in the stories, it's just that they've fallen into the trap of "designing the same set over and over again".
Sure, an artifact block is great every once in awhile... but every year... year in and year out? No thinks.
You've got to shake things up every year and try new concepts for flavor products.
I am thinking that the Eldrazi created them as a Mana storage device yes, to feed off of them. Recently they have been called "titan aether parasites" so it would make sense if they live on Zendikar that the Hedrons were created as a feeding tool for their hunger, so they do not eat and destroy the mana of Zendikar...after all they need a home to live on.
I dunno, this all seems a little contrived and too Marvel-Galactus to me. hopefully I am reading it wrong!
I hope they don't try this after all the ribbing we've given them about Bolas eating up all the mana... I could just see it now...
Well Bolas tried to eat up all the mana in Alara... how can we make the Eldrazi eviler? ... Ummm, they can try to eat up all the mana in the multiverse.
[five hours of victory partying]
I hope they don't try this after all the ribbing we've given them about Bolas eating up all the mana... I could just see it now...
Well Bolas tried to eat up all the mana in Alara... how can we make the Eldrazi eviler? ... Ummm, they can try to eat up all the mana in the multiverse.
[five hours of victory partying]
god that would be horrible. especially after they made that big hullabaloo to de power planeswalkers because they were becoming too godlike and impossible to connect with/kill off without world changing events. it'd be pretty irritating if they started making the villains increasingly more powerful to the point where they were only capable of effecting the worlds through catastrophic events...
Please stop giving creative ideas! You know thisis now going to be a part of his nom nom nom plan, right? The first nom, Alara's Maelstrom. The second nom, Liliana's face. The third nom, squid ala Zendikar. I didn't know Bolas was such a foodie!
You know it's entirely possible that Vol and Jace believe that the Hedrons are Eldrazi artifacts, and that they're simply wrong about it. Without knowing how Sorin and company sealed the Eldrazi, it's hard to guess.
It seems more likely to me, based on some of the hints we had during Zendikar from more impartial sources, that the hedrons are a part of the prison of the Eldrazi, and that they probably are draining the Eldrazi's power. That's what causes Zendikar to be so strange. It seems odd that Sorin and company would go through so much effort to seal the Eldrazi, but leave them a way to connect with Zendikar. We know hedrons can be destroyed after all, so going and smashing the majority of them couldn't have been that hard.
Edit: If Bolas, the effective dragon god of magic, eats/merges with the old-god analogs of the Eldrazi, I think Bioware will sue for copywrite violation. Isn't that pretty much the story behind Dragon Age?
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"Still this is no mere stone. A mason's block. A masters tool."
Might hedrons be some form of tool, as opposed to monuments to, prisons for, or Eldrazi themselves? Little mana-bond disruptors that cause the roil?
Later:
"You! False God! I've killed your kind before. You can't rule in the pit of night."
A reference to Karona (who looks nothing like a four eyed lizard, mind you) or a curse akin to "Urza's Eyes" ? Or, since Sarkhan left his mind at the door, can we disregard this as nonsensical and insignificant?
NOTE: First thread... please be gentle.
As for hedrons being bond-disruption devices, it may have stake in telling why Chandra's magic was so impotent [at least initially]. In addition, weren't the hedrons supposedly MADE by the Eldrazi or something? If so, couldn't they be made for that exact reason, so that the Eldrazi could be ultimately more powerful in comparison upon awakening? It seems quite plausible.
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It seems likely that the hedrons were created by the Eldrazi, since we don't know of any other major civilization that was known to have lived on Zendikar.
We know that hedrons are what cause the weird gravity effects, like floating trees and other impossible geologic formations. I believe small ones can also be used to point towards other hedrons, like a compass. But their effects seem to be unpredictable, at times; some seem to "reverse polarity" and emit a repulsive effect, while at other times have an attractive one.
I fully expect to get better explanations when the Eldrazi are fully revealed.
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Yeah, toss all thoughts of Karona out the door. Everyone would prefer to just forget anything she ever did. I don't think anybody at wizards would willfully and purposefully bring her mess back into anything.
It's most likely just to be taken that he killed a big lizard which he probably equates as being a false god, given his relationship with dragons.
This is probably referring to Nicol Bolas. Nicol Bolas is a self-proclaimed god, Sarkhan has killed dragons before and the pit of night would probably be Grixis.
However this also doesn't make sense because I thought Sarkhan would be aware of what happened to Nicol Bolas at the end of Alara Unbroken. But, then again, he sort of did lose of his marbles somewhere in the multiverse.
that would help explain if he knew about the end of Alara Unbroken
Probably not, there are better false gods than Karona. And Sarkahn worships dragons, I doubt he's referring to Bolas. If anything it could be a very odd reference to Yawgmoth, who was by all means a false god, who ruled in a pit of pure black magic(night). It could be something entirely different though, a creature doesn't need to actually have god-like powers in order to set themselves up as a false god.
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I doubt Karona is involved, mainly because every single Magic player would storm MTG central and force them to read AU non-stop for a whole month until their brains were mush! Plus it just doesn't make sense, anyone who knew Karona is probably dead by now except maybe a few religions that worshipped her, possibly.
As for the Hedrons all we know is they are a monument to an old Empire, which obviously refers to the Eldrazi. What they are exactly we won't find out til Rise of the Eldrazi.
"On this plane, the use of magic can provoke a ferocious reprisal from nature. Whoever the Eldrazi were, their relics left Zendikar forever enraged."
—Jace Beleren
Note: This is from Jace. An outsider. I think it's pretty safe to assume the Hedron's were created by the Eldrazi.
What is the purpose of a Hedron... don't know. They could be used to turn Zendikar into a large machine, suitable for taking over the multiverse, or they could be batteries of magic, taming Zendikar's wild magic.
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Oh come one, we can do worse than that. We should make them read Prophecy and Scourge back to back solidly for a week. That should melt their brains much much faster.
Wizards? Do something new and different!? That's like saying voting will make a difference! HA!
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WUBRGThe BroodGRBUW
WUGAllymillGUW
I would say that with the game itself and with the setting of the worlds portrayed by the game that they do innovative work at best and interesting work at worst. It's only the novels that I feel are pretty generic shared-world fantasy.
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The novels too, keep it pretty innovative...
Mirrodin was an action story.
Kamigawa was an Asian adventure story.
Ravnica was a mystery novel.
Time spiral was... well i don't know what Time spiral was.
Lorwyn was a... well it should have been a fairy tale...
Alara reborn was... well i don't know.
^ Anyways, they've kind of been in a funk of not having clearly defined genres for the past few books, but before that, they've been great at giving each novel a unique feel.
I dunno, this all seems a little contrived and too Marvel-Galactus to me. hopefully I am reading it wrong!
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
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Anyways, they have tried to shake things up from time to time in the stories, it's just that they've fallen into the trap of "designing the same set over and over again".
Sure, an artifact block is great every once in awhile... but every year... year in and year out? No thinks.
You've got to shake things up every year and try new concepts for flavor products.
I hope they don't try this after all the ribbing we've given them about Bolas eating up all the mana... I could just see it now...
Well Bolas tried to eat up all the mana in Alara... how can we make the Eldrazi eviler?
... Ummm, they can try to eat up all the mana in the multiverse.
[five hours of victory partying]
god that would be horrible. especially after they made that big hullabaloo to de power planeswalkers because they were becoming too godlike and impossible to connect with/kill off without world changing events. it'd be pretty irritating if they started making the villains increasingly more powerful to the point where they were only capable of effecting the worlds through catastrophic events...
...oh wait its trending that way.
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Please stop giving creative ideas! You know thisis now going to be a part of his nom nom nom plan, right? The first nom, Alara's Maelstrom. The second nom, Liliana's face. The third nom, squid ala Zendikar. I didn't know Bolas was such a foodie!
It seems more likely to me, based on some of the hints we had during Zendikar from more impartial sources, that the hedrons are a part of the prison of the Eldrazi, and that they probably are draining the Eldrazi's power. That's what causes Zendikar to be so strange. It seems odd that Sorin and company would go through so much effort to seal the Eldrazi, but leave them a way to connect with Zendikar. We know hedrons can be destroyed after all, so going and smashing the majority of them couldn't have been that hard.
Edit: If Bolas, the effective dragon god of magic, eats/merges with the old-god analogs of the Eldrazi, I think Bioware will sue for copywrite violation. Isn't that pretty much the story behind Dragon Age?