On the other hand, I am glad that the BFZ story is over, and that we can open a new chapter, preferably not facing "the greatest threat to the universe" for some time, settling for more human motives and schemes. And less tiresome, repeating complainers here.
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Yes. Guardian: Saviors of Kamigawa: Toshiro Umezawa is preparing to take down his old Hyozan Reckoner mate, Hidetsugu. Along the way he stops by a mahotsukai stronghold to get Kiku. He finds her dead drunk, the stronghold filled with dead mahotsukai and Soratami. The mahotuskai had used Kiku in a black magic ritual. Toshi and Kiku shared some words, then ended up ******* on one of the stronghold's altars/shrines/hondens.
Since Kiku was drunk, but acquiesced to Toshi, I didn't know how it'd be viewed or if it would be considered controversial.
This is a thread for magic fiction, and that's the Saviors of Kamigawa tie-in novel.
Yes. Guardian: Saviors of Kamigawa: Toshiro Umezawa is preparing to take down his old Hyozan Reckoner mate, Hidetsugu. Along the way he stops by a mahotsukai stronghold to get Kiku. He finds her dead drunk, the stronghold filled with dead mahotsukai and Soratami. The mahotuskai had used Kiku in a black magic ritual. Toshi and Kiku shared some words, then ended up ******* on one of the stronghold's altars/shrines/hondens.
Since Kiku was drunk, but acquiesced to Toshi, I didn't know how it'd be viewed or if it would be considered controversial.
Only that it was the other way around. If anything, Toshi acquiesced to Kiku. She was the one who initiated the act, he was actually rather reluctant.
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That was quite off-topic. If you want to discuss older lore things, perhaps a new thread would be more appropriate. (I'm trying my best not to sound condescending. I apologize if it comes off that way.)
I believe we should get the prelude stories for Shadows. All the lead-in and what-not. We might get a refresher on what happened last time on Innistrad, then some buildup, then the actual block story.
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"Shut up stupid Toshi." Or something like that lol.
I love dem Kamigawa books. Best MTG story IMO. Sad they killed off my favorite character Choryu though. Hope he gets a posthumous card. Except he's probably the least likely for that. Still, I really do think WOTC should evaluate Kamigawa as a plane again. Perhaps a discussion better had elsewhere though.
So... As for Shadows Over Inninstrad, the angels seem to have become less merciful than they were since Avacyn was released:
Those are humans killing an angel there, an angel whose wings are stained with blood, so, maybe Avacyn was "corrupted" by Griselbrand when both were locked within the Helvault? Or Liliana finally became a full blown douchebag and cursed her much like she did with Garruk using the Chain Veil just for fun? It's a common trope that the "great good" gets turned into a big bad because she was corrupted or infected by some other evil. Also, the angel in the card looks suspiciously similar to Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, maybe that's one of the angels under her command, and the RW angel became the Knight Templar and formed a rogue faction apart of the other angel flights.
In any case, it seems that angels are going from "goodness paragons" to "fanatical knight templars" that deem everybody "impure" and thus unworthy of exist. Boy, humans can't get a break on that plane, Inninstrad, along with New Phyrexia are officially the worse planes to live if you are human.
Also, we have Nahiri, who was missing for some centuries, coming to Inninstrad to blow up stuff, to take revenge on Sorin, exactly, why? Does she believe he released the Eldrazi on Zendikar or was still angry that Ugin and him didn't come to help her when the Eldrazi stirred from their slumber?
Also, we have this whole stuff with Inninstrad's Moon, what's the deal with it? Is the Moon some storage for mana like the Null Moon was in Dominaria? It somehow affects the plane enough to reverse worldwide power like the Cursemute, which Avacyn cast to "return to normal" everything on the plane, including transforming all the werewolves into Wolfir.
I like the idea of the greater good being so focused on the big picture that it ends up making enemies with those that're affected by whatever it does in service to the big picture.
So... As for Shadows Over Inninstrad, the angels seem to have become less merciful than they were since Avacyn was released:
Those are humans killing an angel there, an angel whose wings are stained with blood, so, maybe Avacyn was "corrupted" by Griselbrand when both were locked within the Helvault? Or Liliana finally became a full blown douchebag and cursed her much like she did with Garruk using the Chain Veil just for fun? It's a common trope that the "great good" gets turned into a big bad because she was corrupted or infected by some other evil. Also, the angel in the card looks suspiciously similar to Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, maybe that's one of the angels under her command, and the RW angel became the Knight Templar and formed a rogue faction apart of the other angel flights.
In any case, it seems that angels are going from "goodness paragons" to "fanatical knight templars" that deem everybody "impure" and thus unworthy of exist. Boy, humans can't get a break on that plane, Inninstrad, along with New Phyrexia are officially the worse planes to live if you are human.
Also, we have Nahiri, who was missing for some centuries, coming to Inninstrad to blow up stuff, to take revenge on Sorin, exactly, why? Does she believe he released the Eldrazi on Zendikar or was still angry that Ugin and him didn't come to help her when the Eldrazi stirred from their slumber?
Also, we have this whole stuff with Inninstrad's Moon, what's the deal with it? Is the Moon some storage for mana like the Null Moon was in Dominaria? It somehow affects the plane enough to reverse worldwide power like the Cursemute, which Avacyn cast to "return to normal" everything on the plane, including transforming all the werewolves into Wolfir.
My have the tables turned. I know that B players comment how they are often portrayed as villains so I guess it's my colors' turn..
While I feel uncomfortable with the portrayal of W as evil it's probably cuz that's my core colour so I guess I'll just take my turn like everyone else lol
Good thing I'm Azban...I think? I'm sure I'll enjoy Innistrad regardless. If it weren't for my love for Sorin I might actually cheer on Nahiri lol!
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So... As for Shadows Over Inninstrad, the angels seem to have become less merciful than they were since Avacyn was released:
Those are humans killing an angel there, an angel whose wings are stained with blood, so, maybe Avacyn was "corrupted" by Griselbrand when both were locked within the Helvault? Or Liliana finally became a full blown douchebag and cursed her much like she did with Garruk using the Chain Veil just for fun? It's a common trope that the "great good" gets turned into a big bad because she was corrupted or infected by some other evil. Also, the angel in the card looks suspiciously similar to Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, maybe that's one of the angels under her command, and the RW angel became the Knight Templar and formed a rogue faction apart of the other angel flights.
In any case, it seems that angels are going from "goodness paragons" to "fanatical knight templars" that deem everybody "impure" and thus unworthy of exist. Boy, humans can't get a break on that plane, Inninstrad, along with New Phyrexia are officially the worse planes to live if you are human.
Also, we have Nahiri, who was missing for some centuries, coming to Inninstrad to blow up stuff, to take revenge on Sorin, exactly, why? Does she believe he released the Eldrazi on Zendikar or was still angry that Ugin and him didn't come to help her when the Eldrazi stirred from their slumber?
Also, we have this whole stuff with Inninstrad's Moon, what's the deal with it? Is the Moon some storage for mana like the Null Moon was in Dominaria? It somehow affects the plane enough to reverse worldwide power like the Cursemute, which Avacyn cast to "return to normal" everything on the plane, including transforming all the werewolves into Wolfir.
My have the tables turned. I know that B players comment how they are often portrayed as villains so I guess it's my colors' turn..
While I feel uncomfortable with the portrayal of W as evil it's probably cuz that's my core colour so I guess I'll just take my turn like everyone else lol
Good thing I'm Azban...I think? I'm sure I'll enjoy Innistrad regardless. If it weren't for my love for Sorin I might actually cheer on Nahiri lol!
Well speaking as a Temur player, it is nice not to be shoe-horned into this false good-evil dichotomy. I am perfectly fine being the morally neutral wizard.
If there's going to be some sort of mystery to be solved in Shadows over Innistrad then I really, really hope WotC is not going to screw everything up again by revealing the critical plot point in the cards or in the fat pack booklet. Better solution would be to reveal it in the Official Magic Fiction (Uncharted Realms) article and then reveal it to everyone else at the start of the Eldritch Moon booklet. At least then everybody would be truly excited when the big reveal comes. They could set up a some sort of cliffhanger on the final crucial SoI plot point card and then reveal it's true meaning much later as the story progresses.
If the big secret is not revealed in cards but it's revealed in FP booklet then please people, don't discuss or reveal it here. I think I and many others want to be surprised when the time comes. I managed to avoid Oath of the Gatewatch booklet but it didn't help because they printed Fall of the Titans which basically revealed the big climax. I really do hope that this won't happen again.
You are an optimistic one. The best you can hope for is people using spoiler tags, maybe make a separate thread for the discussion. But I do not expect that to hold more than a week or two. Too many people and too many channels to control.
But I agree that if there is some mystery to be solved, they should really approach it differently than in BFZ/OGW.
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Mods, is there any consideration being given to creating a new Magic Fiction thread for each block? Having nearly 150 pages of discussion feels overwhelming.
Perhaps a new Thread for the Shadows over Innistrad block, with the first thread updated with each week's story? This may give a better cohesion to the boards. Also, when we need to refer to a previous story, it'd be easier to locate past discussions by block rather than go through four thousand posts.
Any thoughts on this?
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Mods, is there any consideration being given to creating a new Magic Fiction thread for each block? Having nearly 150 pages of discussion feels overwhelming.
Perhaps a new Thread for the Shadows over Innistrad block, with the first thread updated with each week's story? This may give a better cohesion to the boards. Also, when we need to refer to a previous story, it'd be easier to locate past discussions by block rather than go through four thousand posts.
Any thoughts on this?
I think it is a very good idea. This forum here contains Magic Origins + BFZ storyline, so it is the perfect timing to make this change of creating new separate threads. And not to state the obvious, but already doing so: new threads encourage new people. Of course you can jump in a thread with more than 100+ like the Reserved List discussion and that will not matter much, but in the storyline people want to be involved from the start, so creating new threads at the beggining of each block might bring new posters.
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I just finished the Uncharted realms for Oath of the Gatewatch and I am deeply disappointed. I can't see any threat going forward that will be credible now that Kozilek and Ulamog were dispatched with such ease. I begin to wonder why Wizards even bothered creating such over the top lovecraftian horrers, if they were going to just discard them like a Saturday morning cartoon villains.
I feel like the whole Eldrazi storyline entered a slippery, zig-zaggy descent with Oath of the Gatewatch. The Eldrazi were..... well. Unfathomable. They were black holes. They bent reality, they were massive, and thier only purpose seemed to be to consume. They were, as people stated, entropy. A force that, while appearing evil and senseless, you somehow know had a role to play. A vital job. This all ended when Oath stories begun.
Suddenly Kozi can laugh? Has the will to punish his enemies? Has apparnt sadism? These are not traits of an unfathomable force of nature. They are..... human traits, pretty much. That was in the fourth story if memory serves. Then suddenly, fast forward to the second to last story, and now Kozi is being described as incomprehensible again. " Not a trickster - a trick". Not a sentient being..... an occurance of nature.
My point is it seems there is confusion amongst the storywriters about what the Eldrazi are. Sentient badguys with familiar traits, or unfathomable forces of nature.
I was reading through the Art Book in more detail finally, and had a question on Zendikar as a plane...
The Eldrazi shift reality and impact gravity. The Roil arose to fight off the Eldrazi and the Roil has magical properties. Zendikar has powerful mana. The hedrons can have different effects on mana.
Are the floating landmasses properties of Zendikar's own mana, or a result of the Eldrazi who slumbered there (either through their effects or the Roil)? And, with the Titans gone, will the floating landmasses plummet?
Did we ever get clarification on Zendikar's gravity-defying rocks?
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I feel like the whole Eldrazi storyline entered a slippery, zig-zaggy descent with Oath of the Gatewatch. The Eldrazi were..... well. Unfathomable. They were black holes. They bent reality, they were massive, and thier only purpose seemed to be to consume. They were, as people stated, entropy. A force that, while appearing evil and senseless, you somehow know had a role to play. A vital job. This all ended when Oath stories begun.
Suddenly Kozi can laugh? Has the will to punish his enemies? Has apparnt sadism? These are not traits of an unfathomable force of nature. They are..... human traits, pretty much. That was in the fourth story if memory serves. Then suddenly, fast forward to the second to last story, and now Kozi is being described as incomprehensible again. " Not a trickster - a trick". Not a sentient being..... an occurance of nature.
My point is it seems there is confusion amongst the storywriters about what the Eldrazi are. Sentient badguys with familiar traits, or unfathomable forces of nature.
While I would essentialy agree with your opinon on BFZ's storyline, I don't think you picked up a good example. The story you are referring to tells things from the perspective of Tazri, who is consumed by the madness-inducing effects of Kozilek. Basically we have nothing to say that the titan actually laughed or experienced joy in killing gideon multiple times, we just have the distorted opinon of a person who is basically going crazy. I would say that story in particular, more than any other in the storyline, shows the eldrazi as the real mind-bending monsters/unstoppable forces of nature they were suppose to be.
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This is what I hope and yet I'm also curious about Ezuri. His would make for an interesting story.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
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The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
Wait what? Are you in the right thread?
Since Kiku was drunk, but acquiesced to Toshi, I didn't know how it'd be viewed or if it would be considered controversial.
This is a thread for magic fiction, and that's the Saviors of Kamigawa tie-in novel.
Only that it was the other way around. If anything, Toshi acquiesced to Kiku. She was the one who initiated the act, he was actually rather reluctant.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
I believe we should get the prelude stories for Shadows. All the lead-in and what-not. We might get a refresher on what happened last time on Innistrad, then some buildup, then the actual block story.
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I love dem Kamigawa books. Best MTG story IMO. Sad they killed off my favorite character Choryu though. Hope he gets a posthumous card. Except he's probably the least likely for that. Still, I really do think WOTC should evaluate Kamigawa as a plane again. Perhaps a discussion better had elsewhere though.
Scott McGough should write some URs yo
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Those are humans killing an angel there, an angel whose wings are stained with blood, so, maybe Avacyn was "corrupted" by Griselbrand when both were locked within the Helvault? Or Liliana finally became a full blown douchebag and cursed her much like she did with Garruk using the Chain Veil just for fun? It's a common trope that the "great good" gets turned into a big bad because she was corrupted or infected by some other evil. Also, the angel in the card looks suspiciously similar to Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, maybe that's one of the angels under her command, and the RW angel became the Knight Templar and formed a rogue faction apart of the other angel flights.
In any case, it seems that angels are going from "goodness paragons" to "fanatical knight templars" that deem everybody "impure" and thus unworthy of exist. Boy, humans can't get a break on that plane, Inninstrad, along with New Phyrexia are officially the worse planes to live if you are human.
Also, we have Nahiri, who was missing for some centuries, coming to Inninstrad to blow up stuff, to take revenge on Sorin, exactly, why? Does she believe he released the Eldrazi on Zendikar or was still angry that Ugin and him didn't come to help her when the Eldrazi stirred from their slumber?
Also, we have this whole stuff with Inninstrad's Moon, what's the deal with it? Is the Moon some storage for mana like the Null Moon was in Dominaria? It somehow affects the plane enough to reverse worldwide power like the Cursemute, which Avacyn cast to "return to normal" everything on the plane, including transforming all the werewolves into Wolfir.
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C Call of Emrakul - G vs R DD: Elves vs. Goblins - W vs B DD: Divine vs. Demonic - WUB Esper Artifice - RGW Aura Dancers
WUBRG Wrath of the Reaper King - WB Men of Faith - B Mercenaries - UB Phyrexian Assault 2.0 - WU Artifacts of Empires
BR Skeleton Warriors - RG Night of The Howlpack - B Bog Murderers - BR Eldrazi Assault - BGU Ulamog's Swarm
My have the tables turned. I know that B players comment how they are often portrayed as villains so I guess it's my colors' turn..
While I feel uncomfortable with the portrayal of W as evil it's probably cuz that's my core colour so I guess I'll just take my turn like everyone else lol
Good thing I'm Azban...I think? I'm sure I'll enjoy Innistrad regardless. If it weren't for my love for Sorin I might actually cheer on Nahiri lol!
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
Well speaking as a Temur player, it is nice not to be shoe-horned into this false good-evil dichotomy. I am perfectly fine being the morally neutral wizard.
You are an optimistic one. The best you can hope for is people using spoiler tags, maybe make a separate thread for the discussion. But I do not expect that to hold more than a week or two. Too many people and too many channels to control.
But I agree that if there is some mystery to be solved, they should really approach it differently than in BFZ/OGW.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
Perhaps a new Thread for the Shadows over Innistrad block, with the first thread updated with each week's story? This may give a better cohesion to the boards. Also, when we need to refer to a previous story, it'd be easier to locate past discussions by block rather than go through four thousand posts.
Any thoughts on this?
Read my other stories as well (some ongoing):
Reaper King (a horror story), Kaalia of the Vast (an origin story), Sequels for Innistrad (Alternative sequels for Inn), Grey Areas (Odric's fanfic), Royal Succession (goblins),The Tracker's Message (eldrazi on Innistrad) and Ugin and his Eye (the end of OGW).
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Good idea. splitting the storyline threads into blocks should make it easier to track posts about individual stories.
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Suddenly Kozi can laugh? Has the will to punish his enemies? Has apparnt sadism? These are not traits of an unfathomable force of nature. They are..... human traits, pretty much. That was in the fourth story if memory serves. Then suddenly, fast forward to the second to last story, and now Kozi is being described as incomprehensible again. " Not a trickster - a trick". Not a sentient being..... an occurance of nature.
My point is it seems there is confusion amongst the storywriters about what the Eldrazi are. Sentient badguys with familiar traits, or unfathomable forces of nature.
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The Eldrazi shift reality and impact gravity. The Roil arose to fight off the Eldrazi and the Roil has magical properties. Zendikar has powerful mana. The hedrons can have different effects on mana.
Are the floating landmasses properties of Zendikar's own mana, or a result of the Eldrazi who slumbered there (either through their effects or the Roil)? And, with the Titans gone, will the floating landmasses plummet?
Did we ever get clarification on Zendikar's gravity-defying rocks?
Read my other stories as well (some ongoing):
Reaper King (a horror story), Kaalia of the Vast (an origin story), Sequels for Innistrad (Alternative sequels for Inn), Grey Areas (Odric's fanfic), Royal Succession (goblins),The Tracker's Message (eldrazi on Innistrad) and Ugin and his Eye (the end of OGW).