I really would like to see a Merfolk which can change lands like reef shaman. Than it's possible to build a deck with my favourite people.
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hey i have managed to evolve my axolotls by feeding them thyroid glands the thyroxine contained in these gland is enough to change these water dwelling creatures into land based creatures
Posted by: Tay Collins | January 20, 2010 6:45 AM
Tay, that's not evolution. It's metamorphosis. Evolution means descent with heritable modification – individuals cannot evolve, unless they're Pokemon.
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White: Samite Healer (Savanah Lions is too overpowered).
Black: Drudge Skeleton (sorry about Rotting Goblin, but goblins are NOT black icnoic characters)
Savannah Lions are actually underpowered now in an environment of 3/3 two drops.
Green: Llanowar Elves (we allready know that).
White: Samite Healer (Savanah Lions is too overpowered).
Black: Drudge Skeleton (sorry about Rotting Goblin, but goblins are NOT black icnoic characters)
Red: Raging Goblin (Mogg Fanatic is too powerfull)
Blue: Flying Men (Merfolk of the pearl trident is too underpowered)
What do you think?
It won't be Samite Healer as that costs 1W and they are all confirmed to be 1 drops. And Red is confirmed to have spark elemental, and black is confirmed to have the goblin. The only two that are unknown are white and blue.
Any way those creatureshapers are very powerfull cards. I wanna play red or white in my Faery Magic deck. Red puts 3/1 blocker to destroy creatures for R,t
Any way those creatureshapers are very powerfull cards. I wanna play red or white in my Faery Magic deck. Red puts 3/1 blocker to destroy creatures for R,tand a discarded card
Any way those creatureshapers are very powerfull cards. I wanna play red or white in my Faery Magic deck. Red puts 3/1 blocker to destroy creatures for R,t
I was wondering when someone was going to realise that it doesnt say anything at playing these abilities at Sorcery speed. These become Combat tricks along with thier other obvious uses.
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Mentor cost you a total of :symg::symg::symg::symg::symg::symg:, Crier cost you a total of :5mana::symw::symw::symw::symw:.
While I don't want to insinuate that one is strictly better than the other, I'd just like to point out that in your example you do leave off the card cost. For the elves, you've discarded 5 cards, while for the Crier, you've only discarded 3 and still come out 1 token ahead. I think the card cost is at least a little more significant than the mana cost.
but a savanah lion producer at uncommon is still pretty pushing it on the power level scale, i could accept if it was making suntail hawks, but savanah lions?
Think it'd be okay. You'd have to discard a card every turn. Usually, you don't want to discard Knights and the like for a 2/1 vanilla in later turns. Sulfur Elemental, which is getting played in Standard, would just shut it down cold.
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While I don't want to insinuate that one is strictly better than the other, I'd just like to point out that in your example you do leave off the card cost. For the elves, you've discarded 5 cards, while for the Crier, you've only discarded 3 and still come out 1 token ahead. I think the card cost is at least a little more significant than the mana cost.
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That depends on what cards you discard and how long it'll be before you can get those cards back. Its really annoying that nowadays cards in the graveyard don't want to stay there.
While I don't want to insinuate that one is strictly better than the other, I'd just like to point out that in your example you do leave off the card cost. For the elves, you've discarded 5 cards, while for the Crier, you've only discarded 3 and still come out 1 token ahead. I think the card cost is at least a little more significant than the mana cost.
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You are not counting that the tokens made by the mentor are far better because they help you out putting a big fattie trampler that could wipe out the entire tokens made by a single crier.
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My guess for the blue creature would be Imagecrafter. If white does get suntail hawk, they are not going to have blue get flying men. Also Imagecrafter makes alot of sense in an enviornment full of slivers.
On the other hand they could give blue an iconic artifact creature instead, kinda like how they shifted primal clay into blue. Maybe Steel Wall. That'd be sweet.
If your dead set on each creature being truly iconic, then you'll have to concede that blue gets a vanilla 1/1. You'll just have to wonder if they'll given them the merfolk, the wizard, or the spirt.
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My guess for the blue creature would be Imagecrafter. If white does get suntail hawk, they are not going to have blue get flying men. Also Imagecrafter makes alot of sense in an enviornment full of slivers.
On the other hand they could give blue an iconic artifact creature instead, kinda like how they shifted primal clay into blue. Maybe Steel Wall. That'd be sweet.
If your dead set on each creature being truly iconic, then you'll have to concede that blue gets a vanilla 1/1. You'll just have to wonder if they'll given them the merfolk, the wizard, or the spirt.
I doubt imagecrafter.
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Awesome! The Llanwoar guy seems pretty cool. I have a feeling something nutty will happen with this guy (esp. in Ext or the Vintage formats), but I'd have to think for a while to come up with anything in Standard.
Awesome! The Llanwoar guy seems pretty cool. I have a feeling something nutty will happen with this guy (esp. in Ext or the Vintage formats), but I'd have to think for a while to come up with anything in Standard.
Something nutty? You have to discard a card to make it work, and you only get a non hasted 1/1 llanowar elf. Yes, discarding a card can be big (in any format), but you can do it more effectively with many other cards. There's not infinite combo that can be easily pulled off with these guys that ppl would chose to play in Extended or Vintage.
What would someone want to discard to this if the discarded card didn't have madness/flashback? A land? So you replace one mana source with a more vulnerable one that can not be used immediately, but you do get the a 1/1 that can attack...I'd say that's not a huge advantage.
Its a good flavor card. Its a good limited card. It'll go great in a lot of casual decks. But competitively, everyone would rather drop an actual llanowar elf and have 3 mana on turn two than drop the trainer on turn 1, discard a card to make an elf turn 2, and have 4 mana on turn 3 (which you still have with the other scenario.
I think the red one, if it does make spark elementals and possibly the black one will have a chance at seeing constructed play, since the creatures they make can have a much larger immediate impact (plus red and black have a larger number of madness cards in this block/t2).
That depends on what cards you discard and how long it'll be before you can get those cards back. Its really annoying that nowadays cards in the graveyard don't want to stay there.
You are not counting that the tokens made by the mentor are far better because they help you out putting a big fattie trampler that could wipe out the entire tokens made by a single crier.
Those are both valid points, and not to be discounted. I think strictly from a cost standpoint to what you get, the Crier can be the better deal, especially the longer you go. Not all decks make use of the graveyard, and not all use fatties. (Heck, even ones that do use fatties may find themselves overrun before they can get them out.) The utiility of Llanowar Elves tokens, though, is certainly undeniable. If I had to guess I'd put the Crier as generally the stronger of the two in Limited, and the Spellshaper as better in Constructed.
So the Legion does use the "All Sliver creatures..." templating. Something smells fishy...
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the token creature is going to be sick since there is one for each color it is going to help madness alot i just need either a realy good one for black or red and ill be happy....
the token creature is going to be sick since there is one for each color it is going to help madness alot i just need either a realy good one for black or red and ill be happy....
Savannah Lions stops being an amazing card when it is slowed down considerably.
I fail to see how it is 'too good' to make 2/1 tokens.
You misunderstood me. I never said producing lions was amazing or, god forbid, broken. None of these cards will be that big a deal, I'm just saying Svannah lions is much better than Festering goblin and Llanowar elf.
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Posted by: Tay Collins | January 20, 2010 6:45 AM
Tay, that's not evolution. It's metamorphosis. Evolution means descent with heritable modification – individuals cannot evolve, unless they're Pokemon.
Posted by: David Marjanović | January 20, 2010 8:55 AM
Savannah Lions are actually underpowered now in an environment of 3/3 two drops.
Drudge Skelles cost 2.
It won't be Samite Healer as that costs 1W and they are all confirmed to be 1 drops. And Red is confirmed to have spark elemental, and black is confirmed to have the goblin. The only two that are unknown are white and blue.
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While I don't want to insinuate that one is strictly better than the other, I'd just like to point out that in your example you do leave off the card cost. For the elves, you've discarded 5 cards, while for the Crier, you've only discarded 3 and still come out 1 token ahead. I think the card cost is at least a little more significant than the mana cost.
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Think it'd be okay. You'd have to discard a card every turn. Usually, you don't want to discard Knights and the like for a 2/1 vanilla in later turns. Sulfur Elemental, which is getting played in Standard, would just shut it down cold.
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That depends on what cards you discard and how long it'll be before you can get those cards back. Its really annoying that nowadays cards in the graveyard don't want to stay there.
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On the other hand they could give blue an iconic artifact creature instead, kinda like how they shifted primal clay into blue. Maybe Steel Wall. That'd be sweet.
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Something nutty? You have to discard a card to make it work, and you only get a non hasted 1/1 llanowar elf. Yes, discarding a card can be big (in any format), but you can do it more effectively with many other cards. There's not infinite combo that can be easily pulled off with these guys that ppl would chose to play in Extended or Vintage.
What would someone want to discard to this if the discarded card didn't have madness/flashback? A land? So you replace one mana source with a more vulnerable one that can not be used immediately, but you do get the a 1/1 that can attack...I'd say that's not a huge advantage.
Its a good flavor card. Its a good limited card. It'll go great in a lot of casual decks. But competitively, everyone would rather drop an actual llanowar elf and have 3 mana on turn two than drop the trainer on turn 1, discard a card to make an elf turn 2, and have 4 mana on turn 3 (which you still have with the other scenario.
I think the red one, if it does make spark elementals and possibly the black one will have a chance at seeing constructed play, since the creatures they make can have a much larger immediate impact (plus red and black have a larger number of madness cards in this block/t2).
Those are both valid points, and not to be discounted. I think strictly from a cost standpoint to what you get, the Crier can be the better deal, especially the longer you go. Not all decks make use of the graveyard, and not all use fatties. (Heck, even ones that do use fatties may find themselves overrun before they can get them out.) The utiility of Llanowar Elves tokens, though, is certainly undeniable. If I had to guess I'd put the Crier as generally the stronger of the two in Limited, and the Spellshaper as better in Constructed.
just makes sence to me seeing how the token is a copy of the real card.
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You misunderstood me. I never said producing lions was amazing or, god forbid, broken. None of these cards will be that big a deal, I'm just saying Svannah lions is much better than Festering goblin and Llanowar elf.
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