You misunderstood me. I never said producing lions was amazing or, god forbid, broken. None of these cards will be that big a deal, I'm just saying Svannah lions is much better than Festering goblin and Llanowar elf.
I disagree. Assuming that the white shaper does indeed produce Lions, I think the Llanowar Elf shaper is considerably better. The real Savannah Lions card is as strong as it is FAST; it's a 2/1 on turn 1, when you've usually got nothing better to play. In later turns, Savannah Lions gets progressively worse. The Lion shaper is much slower than Savannah Lions, and the Elf shaper just seems better with the things you can do with it in the G/B dredge deck.
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if you'd pay attention i said i need a realy good one from one of the two colors.... just cause there making one doesn't mean it'll be good cause the casting cost is a huge issue if it is above two mana to put out and more than one to create then it wont help me cause i cant drop nightshade assasin the next turn or possibly reckless wurm....
think about somethings... but i believe they'll be one drops and animate for one...
but thanks for bashing my intellegence....
Apparently it does say sliver creature in the text box.
I'm glad there are some people who could read that picture, becaus eI sure can't. I would guess that Rebecca Guay did the art for it though, but I hope not. Most of her new stuff isn't as good as Gaea's Blessing, which I'm assuming around the standard she had back then.
Elspeth "we must fight to protect order and justice!"
Tezzeret "No! he will break all my artifacts and stomp my head!"
Vol "powerful dragon must be brought to heel!"
Ajani "**** this Im outta *planeswalks to lorwyn* wow what hell is this place?"
Little lorwyn goblin "this be the place of bad art and Tribes!!!"
All other Alara planeswalkers "hey where did ajani go???"
Rebecca Guay was a good artist, but i dont really think shes right for Slivers. Angels sure, slivers...not really.
if anyone can read the flavor text, do let us in on what it says.
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Ron Spears did Sliver Legion. It is a Sliver as well, so it gets the bonus as well. The flavor text is: "Hidden within the clicking, chittering swarm is a unique mind, still young, but growing more aware as time goes by."
Trevor Hairsine did the Llanowar Mentor.
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So the Legion does use the "All Sliver creatures..." templating. Something smells fishy...
I stand by what I said before: I don't know what they're smoking.
Could just be a general change in templating. They can do stuff like that mid block, right? I don't think this means any functional changes to how slivers work (like non-creature slivers) in Future Sight. It will probably be accompanied by a rules update.
I stand by what I said before: I don't know what they're smoking.
Could just be a general change in templating. They can do stuff like that mid block, right? I don't think this means any functional changes to how slivers work (like non-creature slivers) in Future Sight. It will probably be accompanied by a rules update.
Most sets always come with rules updates, but the sound of non-creature slivers is interesting...a sliver land...Lol.
Anyway, Been toying with the Legion pic...Right now, All I can make of is the words Hidden beneath the...
The llanowar guy is really good in BR dregde (t2)
and seems OK in UG Madness, dont think that needs another discard outlet
Turn 1: Land, Elfshaper
Turn 2: Land, Madness Rootwalla, something for G
Turn 3: Land, Madness Wurm,
guess thats only good if u dont draw mongrel.
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Creature - Infantry Mentor/Trainer (U): W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Infantry Veteran with ": Target attacking creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn." into play.
1/1
Remember The Catapult Squad:
(mentioned earlier almost impossible to happen)
Creature - Javelineer Mentor/Trainer (U): W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Icatian Javelineer with ": Remove a javelin counter from Icatian Javelineers: Icatian Javelineer deals 1 damage to target creature or player." into play.
1/1
(more likely to happen)
Creature - Infantry Mentor/Trainer (U): W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Crossbow Infantry with ": Crossbow Infantry deals 1 damage to target attacking or blocking creature." into play.
1/1
First strike generator
(more possible than Savannah Lions)
Creature - Wolf Mentor/Trainer (U): W :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Tundra Wolves with "First Strike" into play.
1/1
or
Creature - Soldier Mentor/Trainer (U): W :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Serra Zealot with "First Strike" into play.
1/1
or worst
Creature - Scout Mentor/Trainer (U): W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Icatian Scout with ", : Target creature gains first strike until end of turn." into play.
1/1
Creature - Resistance Mentor/Trainer (U): W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Resistance Fighter with "
Sacrifice Resistance Fighter: Target creature deals no combat damage this turn." into play.
1/1
Creature - Guard Mentor/Trainer (U): W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Honor Guard with " W : HonorGuard gets +0/+1 until end of turn. " into play.
1/1
Ron Spears did Sliver Legion. It is a Sliver as well, so it gets the bonus as well. The flavor text is: "Hidden within the clicking, chittering swarm is a unique mind, still young, but growing more aware as time goes by."
Trevor Hairsine did the Llanowar Mentor.
Great Stuff, Bedford! Any other tidbits in the article itself?
Great Stuff, Bedford! Any other tidbits in the article itself?
Not really, just the pictures and a blurb on stuff we already know, like when the prerelease is and when it is released. But by the time the next Scrye is out, the prerelease will already be there.
I'm keeping an eye out for Game Trade magazine, to see if it has anything.
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Its funny how u said that its more likely to happen when it is not going to happen. The creature shapers shape 1 drops, crossbow infantry is a 2 drop so therefore it won't happen. As to what I think about the others they are all possible, but my fav would be icatian javelineers.
Icatian javelineers isnt really a possiblity. Its text seames to fill up the text box currently and they will need to add atleast 2 lines to make it have the abillities...
the new sliver legend would definitely find a home in my deck. Llanowar Mentor dredge would abuse this one and a nice drop 1 for TSB.
Here is my take one the White Creature Shapper... aside from the Savannah lions there was a time there was a usable drop one White creature, Tundra Wolves. Sure Savannah lions had the top priority back then but it could be subbed (low budget deck) by the Tundra Wolves. Ball Lightning, Yavimaya Ants who?
Anyways i never saw suntail hawk played in a deck either. just my 2 cents.
I noticed that the Llanowar Mentor is an elf. Without seeing any of the other spellshapers, it's not possible to be sure, but it looks like they will share the creature type of the dudes they make. If the artifact one indeed makes slivers, and is a sliver itself, that means it would give it's ability to all slivers. This would allow some serious shenanigans with Dormant Sliver. As long as you could cough up the mana, you could filter through as many cards as you want, creating little slivers along the way.
Shouldn't the Legion give Sliver Creatures the bonus from other Silver Creatures? Cause if I can get Sliver non-creature permanents, its gonna get real ugly real fast. "Yup all my lands are slivers, but not creatures. So yea all my slivers get another +8/+8."
Shouldn't the Legion give Sliver Creatures the bonus from other Silver Creatures? Cause if I can get Sliver non-creature permanents, its gonna get real ugly real fast. "Yup all my lands are slivers, but not creatures. So yea all my slivers get another +8/+8."
out of curiosity, how WOULD one go about getting sliver non-creature permanents? Or does this mean we're gonna see a Sliver version of Myr Matrix?
and is it just me or does Sliver Legion look like a giant floating brain made out of Slivers?
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Wow, the Sliver art looks, um, bleh. I like Ron Spears work, but this seems like he was phoning it in. Knowing me, I'll pull like 5 and no one will want them from me (like my 7 red Akromas).
I like the Elf Spellshaper; interesting twist. Rumor season is here!
Wow, the Sliver art looks, um, bleh. I like Ron Spears work, but this seems like he was phoning it in. Knowing me, I'll pull like 5 and no one will want them from me (like my 7 red Akromas).
I'll take them! Oddly I couldn't find a way to make a sliver permanent that is not a creature. At least not yet, never know what the future holds.
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I disagree. Assuming that the white shaper does indeed produce Lions, I think the Llanowar Elf shaper is considerably better. The real Savannah Lions card is as strong as it is FAST; it's a 2/1 on turn 1, when you've usually got nothing better to play. In later turns, Savannah Lions gets progressively worse. The Lion shaper is much slower than Savannah Lions, and the Elf shaper just seems better with the things you can do with it in the G/B dredge deck.
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if you'd pay attention i said i need a realy good one from one of the two colors.... just cause there making one doesn't mean it'll be good cause the casting cost is a huge issue if it is above two mana to put out and more than one to create then it wont help me cause i cant drop nightshade assasin the next turn or possibly reckless wurm....
think about somethings... but i believe they'll be one drops and animate for one...
but thanks for bashing my intellegence....
Apparently it does say sliver creature in the text box.
I'm glad there are some people who could read that picture, becaus eI sure can't. I would guess that Rebecca Guay did the art for it though, but I hope not. Most of her new stuff isn't as good as Gaea's Blessing, which I'm assuming around the standard she had back then.
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I stand by what I said before: I don't know what they're smoking.
Could just be a general change in templating. They can do stuff like that mid block, right? I don't think this means any functional changes to how slivers work (like non-creature slivers) in Future Sight. It will probably be accompanied by a rules update.
Most sets always come with rules updates, but the sound of non-creature slivers is interesting...a sliver land...Lol.
Anyway, Been toying with the Legion pic...Right now, All I can make of is the words Hidden beneath the...
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and seems OK in UG Madness, dont think that needs another discard outlet
Turn 1: Land, Elfshaper
Turn 2: Land, Madness Rootwalla, something for G
Turn 3: Land, Madness Wurm,
guess thats only good if u dont draw mongrel.
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The that could happen for white
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Creature - Infantry Mentor/Trainer (U):
W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Infantry Veteran with ": Target attacking creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn." into play.
1/1
Remember The Catapult Squad:
(mentioned earlier almost impossible to happen)
Creature - Javelineer Mentor/Trainer (U):
W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Icatian Javelineer with ": Remove a javelin counter from Icatian Javelineers: Icatian Javelineer deals 1 damage to target creature or player." into play.
1/1
(more likely to happen)
Creature - Infantry Mentor/Trainer (U):
W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Crossbow Infantry with ": Crossbow Infantry deals 1 damage to target attacking or blocking creature." into play.
1/1
First strike generator
(more possible than Savannah Lions)
Creature - Wolf Mentor/Trainer (U):
W :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Tundra Wolves with "First Strike" into play.
1/1
or
Creature - Soldier Mentor/Trainer (U):
W :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Serra Zealot with "First Strike" into play.
1/1
or worst
Creature - Scout Mentor/Trainer (U):
W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Icatian Scout with ", : Target creature gains first strike until end of turn." into play.
1/1
Creature - Resistance Mentor/Trainer (U):
W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Resistance Fighter with "
Sacrifice Resistance Fighter: Target creature deals no combat damage this turn." into play.
1/1
Creature - Guard Mentor/Trainer (U):
W , :symtap:, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token named Honor Guard with " W :
Honor Guard gets +0/+1 until end of turn. " into play.
1/1
what do you think?
Great Stuff, Bedford! Any other tidbits in the article itself?
Not really, just the pictures and a blurb on stuff we already know, like when the prerelease is and when it is released. But by the time the next Scrye is out, the prerelease will already be there.
I'm keeping an eye out for Game Trade magazine, to see if it has anything.
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Icatian javelineers isnt really a possiblity. Its text seames to fill up the text box currently and they will need to add atleast 2 lines to make it have the abillities...
Btw. Metallic Sliver + creature shaping = Volrath (or maybe Tenser)?
sliver queen should have won the you choose the legend over akroma. In that way, we could have seen a
1. timeshifted sliver queen for timespiral (thus making wtc screw their "reserve list")
2. plane shifted sliver queen (or sliver king)
3. future sight sliver queen.
But no... akroma had to win
Do you know what this means? There's going to be Sliver artifacts/enchantments/lands!
Madness, I tell you!
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Here is my take one the White Creature Shapper... aside from the Savannah lions there was a time there was a usable drop one White creature, Tundra Wolves. Sure Savannah lions had the top priority back then but it could be subbed (low budget deck) by the Tundra Wolves. Ball Lightning, Yavimaya Ants who?
Anyways i never saw suntail hawk played in a deck either. just my 2 cents.
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out of curiosity, how WOULD one go about getting sliver non-creature permanents? Or does this mean we're gonna see a Sliver version of Myr Matrix?
and is it just me or does Sliver Legion look like a giant floating brain made out of Slivers?
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I'll take them! Oddly I couldn't find a way to make a sliver permanent that is not a creature. At least not yet, never know what the future holds.
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