Guys, planeswalkers are not going to be Vanguard/MTGO Avatars. We already have something that fills that role: Vanguard/MTGO Avatars. Whatever planeswalkers do, it's something distinctly different from that.
Guys, planeswalkers are not going to be Vanguard/MTGO Avatars. We already have something that fills that role: Vanguard/MTGO Avatars. Whatever planeswalkers do, it's something distinctly different from that.
Yeah, but it's extremely difficult to find Vanguards since they were in actuality promo cards, and not everyone plays MTGO. It's possible they do function much like Avatars, but with a different spin so paper players can enjoy them in current formats, and MTGO players can enjoy them in a different style.
Guys, planeswalkers are not going to be Vanguard/MTGO Avatars. We already have something that fills that role: Vanguard/MTGO Avatars. Whatever planeswalkers do, it's something distinctly different from that.
I don't know about you, but I've never seen a Vanguard card. They are promos, they are rare, they are pricey and they are irrelevant to sanctioned play, so there's really no point in owning one. However, bringing "Vanguards" back into the game through sets would be smart, as players would have them in their boosters/theme decks/tournement packs anyway. My call is that they'll be Vanguard-esque but that they must be in your deck and will have a casting cost (all thanks to the "They're coming!" poster).
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Yeah, but it's extremely difficult to find Vanguards since they were in actuality promo cards, and not everyone plays MTGO.
Right, but if they wanted to bring back that mechanic, they'd call it the same thing. In fact, when it was brought back on MTGO after years of absence it was called the same thing.
The fact is that Vanguard was never really a very popular idea; even on MTGO the specific format created by Momir is way more popular than playing Vanguard as intended. It would be a terrible choice to try to reintroduce it as part of a push for a "brand new card type" -- it would kill a lot of the hype generated by pushing the new card type (since it would be revealed to be something completely not new, after all) and it would frustrate people who didn't like the Vanguard variant and now had to deal with it constantly in Sanctioned play.
My call is that they'll be Vanguard-esque but that they must be in your deck and will have a casting cost (all thanks to the "They're coming!" poster).
So... like... enchantments? The thing that made Vanguard cards unique was that they started the game in play; none of their effects were particularly unique in any other way.
Guys, planeswalkers are not going to be Vanguard/MTGO Avatars. We already have something that fills that role: Vanguard/MTGO Avatars. Whatever planeswalkers do, it's something distinctly different from that.
Ditto. The two big problems with avatar-like planeswalkers (besides the point Char made here that they would not be new) are two-fold (at least). FIrst, how do you manage avatar-like effects with them being cast in the middle of the game, and moreso, being removed from play in the middle of the game. This could create potentially horrifyingly complicated interaractions that human players and human judges of differing abilities would have to sort out. We may hate the shufflers on MTGO, but we all rely on their rules algorythms to sort out the complcated aspects of gameplay. The second issue is related. If they were to add that level of complexity, it would hamper tournament play. Judges are going to be stretched regardless of what the planeswalker mechanics are, but something that confusing would just lock down sanctioned events. 50 minute matches would yield too many draws etc. Unless they do not allow PWs in sanctioned play, but that doesn't seem likely either.
I'm still asserting that Planeswalkers can play spells from your hand (with some limitations like # of times per turn, they use your resources, etc.), have special abilities based on those spells they play (VERY STRONGLY hinted in Jace's profile) and will otherwise behave like creatures, meaning P/T, combat participation, and so on. In other words, I think the type line will say "Planeswalker Creature - Whatever".
Example:
Darac Awrred
2UUU
Planeswalker Creature - Human Wizard
2/2
If a spell CARDNAME plays would draw cards, it draws that many cards plus 1. He brings obsession to the research compulsion.
I also think "The Five" will be a rare cycle in Lorwyn. If they're going to be supposedly complex rules wise, that'll be almost necessary.
I don't think these will be "Planeswalker Creature"s, but just "Planeswalker"s.
GenCon does indeed start today. Doors on the main exhibit hall open to the public at 9 or 10am I seem to remember. But believe me, there is just too much to look at and is far too crowded for anyone to just run in, take pictures, and run out, then run to their hotel and upload pictures to the laptop they hopefully brought. If anyone actually is there from these forums, I don't expect to see anything until late afternoon.
Not really, unless they changed things. Even then, I doubt they'd let anyone plug in cameras or scanners to a public terminal. But I've worked GenCon three years in a row and every time I found stuff to share with Salvation, I had to go out of my way to post the stuff. I was usually the ONLY person to do so as well (which shows that even people who cared enough to post didn't want to go through the effort until after the Con was over and they were back home). Even though I had a laptop and a small portable scanner with me last year, the convention center charged way too much to use their wireless internet... so I had to walk a couple miles back to my hotel, which wasn't going to happen without fighting the crowds.
Well, Tribal wasn't exactly an 100% new card type, as it's been printed in Future Sight, but we have seen no Planeswalkers yet. I'm certain we'll see both in Lorwyn. It just wouldn't make sense if Tribal wasn't a card type in a new tribal block...
Well, if you look at the art for bound in silence looks like perpetual midsummer to me...
Well, whoever does end up getting pics will be given instant fame and fortune....well, fame at least....and a pat on the back...
Here's WOTC's coverage of GenCon... might be seeing something this weekend about Lowryn. There is a tiny bit of the art wall in one pic. Also, that crowd at the exhibit hall door doesn't begin to give justice to how CRAZY that morning rush can be. I've almost been knocked over a couple times.
Yeah, but it's extremely difficult to find Vanguards since they were in actuality promo cards, and not everyone plays MTGO. It's possible they do function much like Avatars, but with a different spin so paper players can enjoy them in current formats, and MTGO players can enjoy them in a different style.
I don't know about you, but I've never seen a Vanguard card. They are promos, they are rare, they are pricey and they are irrelevant to sanctioned play, so there's really no point in owning one. However, bringing "Vanguards" back into the game through sets would be smart, as players would have them in their boosters/theme decks/tournement packs anyway. My call is that they'll be Vanguard-esque but that they must be in your deck and will have a casting cost (all thanks to the "They're coming!" poster).
Thanks to PotN at Solar Flare Studios for the awesome sig!
Right, but if they wanted to bring back that mechanic, they'd call it the same thing. In fact, when it was brought back on MTGO after years of absence it was called the same thing.
The fact is that Vanguard was never really a very popular idea; even on MTGO the specific format created by Momir is way more popular than playing Vanguard as intended. It would be a terrible choice to try to reintroduce it as part of a push for a "brand new card type" -- it would kill a lot of the hype generated by pushing the new card type (since it would be revealed to be something completely not new, after all) and it would frustrate people who didn't like the Vanguard variant and now had to deal with it constantly in Sanctioned play.
So... like... enchantments? The thing that made Vanguard cards unique was that they started the game in play; none of their effects were particularly unique in any other way.
Ditto. The two big problems with avatar-like planeswalkers (besides the point Char made here that they would not be new) are two-fold (at least). FIrst, how do you manage avatar-like effects with them being cast in the middle of the game, and moreso, being removed from play in the middle of the game. This could create potentially horrifyingly complicated interaractions that human players and human judges of differing abilities would have to sort out. We may hate the shufflers on MTGO, but we all rely on their rules algorythms to sort out the complcated aspects of gameplay. The second issue is related. If they were to add that level of complexity, it would hamper tournament play. Judges are going to be stretched regardless of what the planeswalker mechanics are, but something that confusing would just lock down sanctioned events. 50 minute matches would yield too many draws etc. Unless they do not allow PWs in sanctioned play, but that doesn't seem likely either.
I doubt it's avatars. Not sure what it will be.
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I don't think these will be "Planeswalker Creature"s, but just "Planeswalker"s.
Well, if you look at the art for bound in silence looks like perpetual midsummer to me...
Well, whoever does end up getting pics will be given instant fame and fortune....well, fame at least....and a pat on the back...
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Here's WOTC's coverage of GenCon... might be seeing something this weekend about Lowryn. There is a tiny bit of the art wall in one pic. Also, that crowd at the exhibit hall door doesn't begin to give justice to how CRAZY that morning rush can be. I've almost been knocked over a couple times.