Boggarts, Merrow... taking a trip to the British Isles, are we? Woo! My only concern is that Wizards will have to step lightly on Gaelic names, or else include a pronunciation guide.
Like how Wizards went easy on the names from the Kamigawa block?
the 5-color precon is very interesting...maybe the "new card type" WotC is keeping hush-hush is a new type of land or mana producer option other than lands. In fact, it might even tie into why we haven't seen any of the LOR basic land art yet...
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La Senda De Los Elementales :is: The Footpath Of the Elementary ones
Fluviovias Sirenideas :?: I have no clue... something about the Faith of the Sirens... I had no luck translating.
Milicia Kithkin :?: Well... what i got was A female military of Kithkin (a race?)
Banquete Papao :?: Another... hmmm. What I was able to gather was. A Father's Dinner.
Predacao Elfica :is: NOT Predator Elves or anything of that sort. It is actually a preface... or The Begining of the Elves, but not Elves at all. A city maybe? Elfica could be a person too... All I know is that Predacao or Deprededores is the begining or the start of something.
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Sorry to bust your bubble but those were the worst translations I saw to date . All of them dead wrong
Field marshall is wrong. The should make a Kitkin Lord. Field Marshall is the only lord that pumps up a class. Each Lord should pump up a race.
I was actually thinking about this when someone mentioned spirits (which made me think of snakes) in kamigawa and thallids in time spiral. It occurs to me that green and white both support the group over the individual, and so should get more support for tribal themes, it seems that green has actually be getting such. I think that with the way that white supports collectives, it's actually more appropriate for it to have a class lord, rather than a race one.
I do agree, however, that with all colours being represented by lords, and all the others being race based, Field Marshall does look a little out of place.
As an aside, does no-one actually read the thread? We know what merrow and boggarts are now. If that doesn't give you any other ideas, don't bother to mention it. Thank you.
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Than and then are very different words.
"I'm going to have more than Natalie Portman" is quite different from "I'm going to have more, then Natalie Portman".
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Well right now, I think the only white race lord we have is Auriok Steelshaper and even he only pumps humans when equipped IIRC.
Methinks you forget what Auriok Steelshaper actually pumps (soldiers and knights).
I'm not convinced that needs a "race lord", but the lack of any good race has definitely played a part in the printing of Field Marshal (which I love, and think is great). If Lorwyn is going to be a tribal block, I don't expect anything as facile as the ":1mana::symw::symw:, +1/+1 & a combat ability on a 2/2 body" model that most lords receive. I'd hope for something a lot more interesting for kithkin.
Also, could Boggart be the name for a new line of Horrors?
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"One skilled at battle takes a stand in the ground of no defeat
And so does not lose the enemy's defeat.
Therefore, the victorious military is first victorious and after that does battle.
The defeated military first does battle and after that seeks victory."
If anyone knows why G0-DRAW was banned I would love it if they would PM me. That guy was pure entertainment 100% of the time. Plus he never publicly responded to his Contraptions "Proof" that never panned out.
Methinks you forget what Auriok Steelshaper actually pumps (soldiers and knights).
I'm not convinced that needs a "race lord", but the lack of any good race has definitely played a part in the printing of Field Marshal (which I love, and think is great). If Lorwyn is going to be a tribal block, I don't expect anything as facile as the ":1mana::symw::symw:, +1/+1 & a combat ability on a 2/2 body" model that most lords receive. I'd hope for something a lot more interesting for kithkin.
Really? Oops, I thought it was Humans, Soldiers and Knights... nevermind then
There's one that gives a bonus to birds, isn't there?
Well, Ravnica had plenty of names with eastern European origins, so Gaelic shouldn't be much worse.
Heh, the whole Rav block thingy was planned to coincide with the debut of Russian language Magic cards...it would be cool if they started printing a limited run of Welsh or Gaelic cards. Too bad they didn't do this with Time Spiral, I would give my right foot for a playset of Welsh Dragonstorms with the Nasmith painting of the Vision of Myrddin.
So if the merfolk-esque subtheme and race is allied with W/U, would this be a shift away from their traditional semi-malevolent role in magic? The vodalians seemed to represent a purely blue flavor through pride and trickery. The rootwater clans seemed about as evil as they were helpful. There's also laquatus who was in cahoots with the blackest of mages. I know the azorious guild set up a template where W/U was certainly less than noble, but I would be interested to see what a more benevolent merfolk people would be capbable of in both gameplay and art/flavor text. I'm probably leaving out some trustworthy merdudes/ladies who've popped up over the years (I took a break from about masques until ravnica) so sorry if I left some of the friendlys out.
So if the merfolk-esque subtheme and race is allied with W/U, would this be a shift away from their traditional semi-malevolent role in magic? The vodalians seemed to represent a purely blue flavor through pride and trickery. The rootwater clans seemed about as evil as they were helpful. There's also laquatus who was in cahoots with the blackest of mages. I know the azorious guild set up a template where W/U was certainly less than noble, but I would be interested to see what a more benevolent merfolk people would be capbable of in both gameplay and art/flavor text. I'm probably leaving out some trustworthy merdudes/ladies who've popped up over the years (I took a break from about masques until ravnica) so sorry if I left some of the friendlys out.
Remember, just because the decks are two colors does not mean the creature types are spread across both colors.
Kithkin are clearly only white, and if the theme of the set is to 'bleed' tribes like that (which is too similar to Ravnica to be true, IMO)...that shouldn't be the case.
Boggarts don't fit red flavor at all. They fit much more into the line of something Blue, if they were to be bled out of Black.
The Elves as described in the novel blurb do not sound black at all. If anything they sound White or Blue. (Extremely authoritarian, with lovely hints at mind control)
As for White Merfolk...I don't see it.
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As much as imps have characteristically sucked throughout the game of M:tG (Chimney Imp), I'd like to see them get the tribal treatment, and hopefully a good one. I'm not that excited to see goblins return for a second helping of tribal. (Yes, I'm assuming that Lorwyn will be tribal, although it's not proven.)
I really hope they make the tribes less "tribe dependent" than before. You don't need other beasts for Ravenous baloth to be good, but you need other zombies to make Soulless one count for anything. I truly hate tribal themes. Didn't Onslaught teach them that forcing tribal stuff is just bad? Draft decks turn into tribal decks, sealed decks turn into tribal decks and standard gets 1-2 tribal decks while the other tribes suck. Maybe I'm wrong and Lorwyn turns out to be great, but right now there's nothing that excites me. Well, maybe the elementals :D.
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Well the masques ones were land-walking merfolk (IIRC they grew legs to walk on land) I can't quite remember the name of that clan though... But they seem aristocratic from what I remember of the cards.
EDIT: Well, in the time it took me to post that, the conversation moved on
btw, not all imps have sucked... what about Stinkweed Imp and Putrid Imp?
"One skilled at battle takes a stand in the ground of no defeat
And so does not lose the enemy's defeat.
Therefore, the victorious military is first victorious and after that does battle.
The defeated military first does battle and after that seeks victory."
I'm not leaning towards actual white merfolk cards as much as I'm wondering if their pairing with white would indicate them to be a new, more caring mersociety. White activation costs on blue creatures seems like it'd even be a stretch because as you said:
Given that we have a past pattern of magic plotlines that seem to be utilizing different colors in both antagonistic and protagonistic roles, I would say that this block might put green in the bad guy role.
The book description certainly supports it, and green has not been in that role yet plot-wise.
If this is true it could mean a very interesting block, especially with the new mechanics shift in R&D. Green vigilance, black haste, exciting!
I've been thinking about the possiblity of white merfolk (and other 'off colored' creatures) and even though at first it seemed like a bad idea... I've actually been able to accept it.
If the colors represent values and ideals, then there is no reason why a merfolk can't hold the values and ideals of the color white (or black for that mater). If they ever made that underwater block, that many people have imagined that they eventually will, not everything would be blue in that world. Just because it lives in the water it doesn't follow that they HAVE to be blue mana in nature.
I think they're supposed to be more like pranksters.
Quoting again from Wikipedia:
In British folklore, a boggart (or bogart, bogan, bogle or boggle) is a household spirit, sometimes mischievous, sometimes helpful. In Northern England, at least, there was the belief that the boggart should never be named, for when the boggart was given a name, it would not be reasoned with or persuaded and become uncontrollable and destructive.
That is the most intriguing part of what youre saying. Uncontrollable and destructive sounds very red to me and can probably bleed a bit into black
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I really hope they make the tribes less "tribe dependent" than before. You don't need other beasts for Ravenous baloth to be good, but you need other zombies to make Soulless one count for anything. I truly hate tribal themes. Didn't Onslaught teach them that forcing tribal stuff is just bad? Draft decks turn into tribal decks, sealed decks turn into tribal decks and standard gets 1-2 tribal decks while the other tribes suck. Maybe I'm wrong and Lorwyn turns out to be great, but right now there's nothing that excites me. Well, maybe the elementals :D.
yeah, the tribal theme in this set is really kind of... not doing it..for me. I truly hate tribal because, well it kind of limits the possibilities thjat the set could otherwise have.
Remember, just because the decks are two colors does not mean the creature types are spread across both colors.
Kithkin are clearly only white, and if the theme of the set is to 'bleed' tribes like that (which is too similar to Ravnica to be true, IMO)...that shouldn't be the case.
I would have to disagree with you here man - they like to change up some fundamentals each time they redo a theme. (i.e. IPA vs. Rav block)
What's the most obvious thing that the next tribal block would be to me if someone had asked before I'd seen these? Tribes that span multiple colors.
Now Elementals covering all 5 and Kithkin being reserved to one is a suprise to me however.
Has anyone else noted that there is three theme decks with White and thee with Black in them? It may just be me, but maybe that whole night/day light/darkness good/evil sub-theme is still in Lorwyn that was speculater quite a while ago.
Also a side note on things people may not have considered- Maybe its not really a tribal theme but an anti-tribal theme. Cards that hate on other tribes when played and such....just a thought.
Like how Wizards went easy on the names from the Kamigawa block?
the 5-color precon is very interesting...maybe the "new card type" WotC is keeping hush-hush is a new type of land or mana producer option other than lands. In fact, it might even tie into why we haven't seen any of the LOR basic land art yet...
Sorry to bust your bubble but those were the worst translations I saw to date . All of them dead wrong
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Though you're right that they might go with Boggart's Banquet just for the alliteration...
I was actually thinking about this when someone mentioned spirits (which made me think of snakes) in kamigawa and thallids in time spiral. It occurs to me that green and white both support the group over the individual, and so should get more support for tribal themes, it seems that green has actually be getting such. I think that with the way that white supports collectives, it's actually more appropriate for it to have a class lord, rather than a race one.
I do agree, however, that with all colours being represented by lords, and all the others being race based, Field Marshall does look a little out of place.
As an aside, does no-one actually read the thread? We know what merrow and boggarts are now. If that doesn't give you any other ideas, don't bother to mention it. Thank you.
"I'm going to have more than Natalie Portman" is quite different from "I'm going to have more, then Natalie Portman".
Actually I think they would be Black or Red. They arent entirely stable creatures.
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If anyone knows why G0-DRAW was banned I would love it if they would PM me. That guy was pure entertainment 100% of the time. Plus he never publicly responded to his Contraptions "Proof" that never panned out.
I'm not convinced that needs a "race lord", but the lack of any good race has definitely played a part in the printing of Field Marshal (which I love, and think is great). If Lorwyn is going to be a tribal block, I don't expect anything as facile as the ":1mana::symw::symw:, +1/+1 & a combat ability on a 2/2 body" model that most lords receive. I'd hope for something a lot more interesting for kithkin.
And so does not lose the enemy's defeat.
Therefore, the victorious military is first victorious and after that does battle.
The defeated military first does battle and after that seeks victory."
Could be, but I think its the new name for Goblins (like Akki in Kamigawa) in this set. We have a pretty good Goblin tribe already going now.
But then again, it could be entirely new.
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If anyone knows why G0-DRAW was banned I would love it if they would PM me. That guy was pure entertainment 100% of the time. Plus he never publicly responded to his Contraptions "Proof" that never panned out.
Really? Oops, I thought it was Humans, Soldiers and Knights... nevermind then
There's one that gives a bonus to birds, isn't there?
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Heh, the whole Rav block thingy was planned to coincide with the debut of Russian language Magic cards...it would be cool if they started printing a limited run of Welsh or Gaelic cards. Too bad they didn't do this with Time Spiral, I would give my right foot for a playset of Welsh Dragonstorms with the Nasmith painting of the Vision of Myrddin.
Remember, just because the decks are two colors does not mean the creature types are spread across both colors.
Kithkin are clearly only white, and if the theme of the set is to 'bleed' tribes like that (which is too similar to Ravnica to be true, IMO)...that shouldn't be the case.
Boggarts don't fit red flavor at all. They fit much more into the line of something Blue, if they were to be bled out of Black.
The Elves as described in the novel blurb do not sound black at all. If anything they sound White or Blue. (Extremely authoritarian, with lovely hints at mind control)
As for White Merfolk...I don't see it.
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As much as imps have characteristically sucked throughout the game of M:tG (Chimney Imp), I'd like to see them get the tribal treatment, and hopefully a good one. I'm not that excited to see goblins return for a second helping of tribal. (Yes, I'm assuming that Lorwyn will be tribal, although it's not proven.)
what is different in lorwyn that we got 1 more precon then normal?
i think it might be important...
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btw, not all imps have sucked... what about Stinkweed Imp and Putrid Imp?
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And so does not lose the enemy's defeat.
Therefore, the victorious military is first victorious and after that does battle.
The defeated military first does battle and after that seeks victory."
I'm not leaning towards actual white merfolk cards as much as I'm wondering if their pairing with white would indicate them to be a new, more caring mersociety. White activation costs on blue creatures seems like it'd even be a stretch because as you said:
The book description certainly supports it, and green has not been in that role yet plot-wise.
If this is true it could mean a very interesting block, especially with the new mechanics shift in R&D. Green vigilance, black haste, exciting!
If the colors represent values and ideals, then there is no reason why a merfolk can't hold the values and ideals of the color white (or black for that mater). If they ever made that underwater block, that many people have imagined that they eventually will, not everything would be blue in that world. Just because it lives in the water it doesn't follow that they HAVE to be blue mana in nature.
That is the most intriguing part of what youre saying. Uncontrollable and destructive sounds very red to me and can probably bleed a bit into black
We already have 1 green leprechaun (aisling leprechaun) why not another
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yeah, the tribal theme in this set is really kind of... not doing it..for me. I truly hate tribal because, well it kind of limits the possibilities thjat the set could otherwise have.
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I would have to disagree with you here man - they like to change up some fundamentals each time they redo a theme. (i.e. IPA vs. Rav block)
What's the most obvious thing that the next tribal block would be to me if someone had asked before I'd seen these? Tribes that span multiple colors.
Now Elementals covering all 5 and Kithkin being reserved to one is a suprise to me however.
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
Also a side note on things people may not have considered- Maybe its not really a tribal theme but an anti-tribal theme. Cards that hate on other tribes when played and such....just a thought.