I highly doubt that Wizards would print that blue counterspell - it is really, really good, almost too good. combos with any 187 creature, of which there are many in t2 right now, and it's even more insane with stuff like eternal witness and flametongue kavu.
That being said, I sort of like these cards, but some don't make much sense, such as the Kithkin that benefits from the existence of a Giant. I don't see tribes working together. Especially the (almost) smallest and the largest guys. Obviously the name would help heaps.
Correct me if I am wrong, but havn't we seen Lorwyn art with Giants and Kithkin together? I seem to remember some sort of promotional art with a Kithkin in the foreground being aided by a giant in the background. I also seem to remember reading something along those lines.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but havn't we seen Lorwyn art with Giants and Kithkin together? I seem to remember some sort of promotional art with a Kithkin in the foreground being aided by a giant in the background. I also seem to remember reading something along those lines.
To be fair, there's only one art released so far that contains both giants and Kithkin, which was the Xth tips & tricks art in which the Kithkin is fleeing a giant. I agree that this seems rather fishy, and as much as I want the counterspell to be real (competitive Faeries, hell yeah!) I think it just has too much synergy with a lot of other cards in the format that already are used in counter-based control without said synergy. I'm not going to scream fake or anything, but some confirmation of this would be awesome.
I would like to think that these are real. The rarities seem to be right for the power-level of the card, and the abilities are nothing that seem way out of flavor.
The tribal enchantment is kind of cool. It might be tech against some aggro decks; i.e. making a few 4cc drops that all have pro RDW.
The soldier might be really good in limited, especially if there are low cost giants. A 3/2 First striker that can attack T3 is very good.
That counterspell is on the power level of Remand, maybe a bit higher. It sends a card back to your hand instead of the spell back to your opponent's.
I like the Portent-type card too. It's no Brainstorm, obviously, but it's not shabby.
The elemental guy is snazzy too. If there are a lot of elementals (or those Shapeshift guys!), this could power out some narsty stuff early, and chump block afterwards.
I feel that the shapeshift guys will be very powerful in this set (at least in limited). Look at our soldier common. T3, you play a Grizzly bear, but it makes your guy a 3/2 First striker. You can also Champion these cards with anything, return them with the Warren Pilferer to give him haste, sac one to Fodder launch, tap it to Summon the School or pump your Battlewand Oak. Those are all interactions with this Grizzly bear with only cards that have been spoiled thusfar. Oh yeah, and it has deathtouch with the Packmaster out. :D:cool:
It is good evidence to note that an ability that was put on a Legendary creature, printed as a rare, and a one of the kind creature would now be relegated to a common bear and keyworded.
It seems kind of fishy, I would agree.
Keep in mind that Mistform Ultimus was printed during a time when all Legendary cards, by printing policy, had to be rares (or at least all were at the time - Kamigawa later showed that it didn't matter anymore, just like back in Legends). That said, I wouldn't count these cards out yet.
Not only that, but like Chronmaster said: this is the block for these guys. If the green one is real, I'd expect to see a 2/2 for 2cc in all colors. Or perhaps with variable P/Ts and abilities.
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as was pointed out earlier, maybe it is just a case of "broken english."
the blogger stated:
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I made it from the imagination"
Maybe, he meant
"Please please please please do not believe that i made it from the imagination."
...i'm just thowin' it out there....
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Creature - Elemental Shaman (c)
T: Add two mana in any combination of colors to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to play Elemental spells or activated abilities of Elementals.
1/1
(Like a Vedalken Engineer)
This information matches up exactly with what was said about elementals in the InQuest article. Specifically, that they would be able to generate mana of all colors only usable to play elemental spells and abilities.
The blog post was made before that information became available on the site. Could the blog post have been edited in the interim? Was it? If not, there's evidence of the veracity of at least that card.
Ok, so can anyone with at least rudimentary knowledge of Japanese google up that magazine the OP mentions. It's called "Game Japan". Maybe they have an advertisement or something like that...
Using my leet Japanese skills (more commonly referred to as ability to use the "Translate this page" function of Google) it appears that the latest issue of the magazine does include an article about Magic, but it doesn't say any more than that.
I'm not as impressed by the counter as most people. Turn 2 it's basically a dead card, and that's when I like my counters open. I think blink is better off without it.
I'm not as impressed by the counter as most people. Turn 2 it's basically a dead card, and that's when I like my counters open. I think blink is better off without it.
I'll agree it's not good in current blink builds. Building around it is what makes it nuts; especially because building around it will yield an archtype that is competitive even without it. The key would be to build a WUG aggro-control. Off the top of my head, 4 Birds, 4 Wall of Roots, 4 Venser, 4 Mystic Snake, 4 Blink, 4 of this counter, 4 Delay, some Cloudskates, some Rune Snags, some Loxodon Warhammers, a Teferi or two, some manlands, and some Tarmogoyfs thrown in the mix. Hell, I guess you don't even really need the blinks, but they make a great splash. The result would be almost as aggressive and much more controlling than BUG control, which at the moment is ravaging Standard with its efficiency (at least, around where I play). If this card is real, expect to see it cropping up in most decks playing blue.
But I digress. I agree that his first statement is ambiguous, however if he meant "Don't believe me, I'm making these up" he probably wouldn't have gone on to say that they were from this magazine. Even despite that, and the oddity of the Kithkin flavor-wise and the keywording of Mistform Ultimus' ability, I'm drifting towards the "believers". These are all certainly printable cards.
Hmm. . . IMO, this guy's a mastermind! You can tell by the evil cackling devils at the top, he devised the blog with the soul purpose of confusing us poor posters to the point that an entire speculations discussion pops up trying to decide the credibility of his post. More than half of them are probably false.
If you search the poster's post history, it's clear that he's not a faker; he's provided a few tidbits of information from Japan before. However, even knowing that he's a good user and not a faker, the question, though, is still whether these cards are just ones he made up for fun (like people in the Card Creation Forum) or actual cards he saw.
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My read on that, with the devil smilies he gives, is that he was being sarcastic about we should not believing him, and that we actually SHOULD believe him. Given that he's not an intentional faker, I'm inclined to believe him.
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Instant (u)
As an additional cost to play this, return a creature you control.
Counter target spell.
Whoa! This counterspell is ridiculous good with all the CIP effects in today's environment. Its "drawback" can often be an advantage. On top of that, imagine playing this in response to removal: you GUARANTEE saving your creature, since the cost is paid immediately, even if your opponent has countermagic in hand to counter this card. Looks like yet another Standard season where blue is one of the best colors...
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Creature - Shapeshifter (c)
Shapeshift (this cards is every creature type always)
2/2
(It is Mistform Ultimus)
It's unclear whether the poster meant that "shapeshift" is a keyword (maybe he was just saying that the ability seemed to him like shapeshifting). If he did, then I don't like that "shapeshift" appears to be a keyword. I mean, how often is that ability going to show up to justify its use as a keyword? And it's going to be a bit confusing with the Shapeshifter type (maybe it's a wrong Excite translation, and it's actually some other word, like "Mimetic" or something?).
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Tribal Enchant - Giant (r)
Each creature with the highest converted mana cost has Protection (all color)
I imagine that cleaned up, the text would read something like:
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Tribal Enchantment - Giant
rare
Each creature with the highest converted mana cost among all creatures has protection from all colors.
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Well, the giant enchantment is odd. It costs two, but you probably don't want to play it until late, where it can protect your win condition. Best in control vs. aggro matchups where you can ensure that your win condition is going to be bigger-costing than their creatures, but want it to stick past removal and such. Only other real use I see for it is in decks where you can play creatures for less mana than they actually cost (the bringers, avatars, or reanimated dudes, for example. Could be a great addition to resurectionakroma, angel of fury decks.).
The kithkin is interesting. It has the potential to be a very efficient creature, but like the orge/demon interaction from kamigawa, it's usefulness is limited by how cheaply you can get a giant into play. If there's a good 3 cmc giant, the two (and brion stoutarm) are probably gonna be paired up in the next generation of BDW decks.
The counterspell actually really underwhelms me. Sure, it has a lot of potential interactions, but I remember counterspell too well to get excited about the exact same card plus a drawback. If it was U or 1U I would feel a little more enthusiastic about it, but UU for a counterspell that you can't play well till around turn 4 or so, just meh. Could be useful with Cloud of Fairies in a legacy/vintage fish deck or something, I dunno.
It's interesting to see Bone Harvest and Portent in not-slowtrip form. The first is a backbreaking limited bomb, potentially playable in constructed. The second has always played second string to Brainstorm, but will probably see some play as the Sleight of Hand replacement.
The red elemental Vedalken Engineer seems interesting, getting a two-mana boost for 2 is very powerful, especially since it also very well fixes you. Inquest was right, "mono"-red five color elemental decks are going to be very possible if there is more of this sort of thing.
As for grizzly ultimus, it seems kind of sad to me. This effect was a big deal, big enough to make legendary last time around. Now it's on (likely a common) a otherwise vanilla 2/2 for 2?
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I'm interested in seeing a cycle of slow-trips turned cantrips, assuming these are real, which seems likely.
I also am rather underwhelmed by that counter. You can't really use it turn 2, especially with the UU casting cost. Additionally, its only good in aggro deck/maybe midrange since control is never going to have enough creatures around to make it worth it (unless were talking about that delightful Merrow token generating spell in some sort of fish-opposition.) A good card, for sure, but not "broken" as people have said.
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I'm interested in seeing a cycle of slow-trips turned cantrips, assuming these are real, which seems likely.
Hm... This would indeed be interesting. The problem is, all of the green, white, and red effects are either antiquated (things like Formation), or the same (or very similar) effects already exist as regular cantrips (like flare).
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Hmmm. I am feeling rather skeptical of these cards. They're an unusually un-representative set of previews for one of the Japanese magazines to receive (and there's no name listed for what magazine they stem from). The counterspell is ludicrously strong -- it's almost trivial to design the deck in which the drawback is actually a benefit. The kithkin/giant team-up is odd and doesn't seem particularly to match any info we have so far about how tribal cards function in this set. And the common Mistform Ultimus seems unlikely at best.
At the moment, I'm leaning towards these being cards he made up, to go along with the "real" cards from the Bar.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but havn't we seen Lorwyn art with Giants and Kithkin together? I seem to remember some sort of promotional art with a Kithkin in the foreground being aided by a giant in the background. I also seem to remember reading something along those lines.
To be fair, there's only one art released so far that contains both giants and Kithkin, which was the Xth tips & tricks art in which the Kithkin is fleeing a giant. I agree that this seems rather fishy, and as much as I want the counterspell to be real (competitive Faeries, hell yeah!) I think it just has too much synergy with a lot of other cards in the format that already are used in counter-based control without said synergy. I'm not going to scream fake or anything, but some confirmation of this would be awesome.
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The tribal enchantment is kind of cool. It might be tech against some aggro decks; i.e. making a few 4cc drops that all have pro RDW.
The soldier might be really good in limited, especially if there are low cost giants. A 3/2 First striker that can attack T3 is very good.
That counterspell is on the power level of Remand, maybe a bit higher. It sends a card back to your hand instead of the spell back to your opponent's.
I like the Portent-type card too. It's no Brainstorm, obviously, but it's not shabby.
The elemental guy is snazzy too. If there are a lot of elementals (or those Shapeshift guys!), this could power out some narsty stuff early, and chump block afterwards.
I feel that the shapeshift guys will be very powerful in this set (at least in limited). Look at our soldier common. T3, you play a Grizzly bear, but it makes your guy a 3/2 First striker. You can also Champion these cards with anything, return them with the Warren Pilferer to give him haste, sac one to Fodder launch, tap it to Summon the School or pump your Battlewand Oak. Those are all interactions with this Grizzly bear with only cards that have been spoiled thusfar. Oh yeah, and it has deathtouch with the Packmaster out. :D:cool:
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The counterspell is a bit eerie, because I thought that up earlier today.
Keep in mind that Mistform Ultimus was printed during a time when all Legendary cards, by printing policy, had to be rares (or at least all were at the time - Kamigawa later showed that it didn't matter anymore, just like back in Legends). That said, I wouldn't count these cards out yet.
Not only that, but like Chronmaster said: this is the block for these guys. If the green one is real, I'd expect to see a 2/2 for 2cc in all colors. Or perhaps with variable P/Ts and abilities.
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I believe this might be "Favor of the Mighty."
He posted several other cards nobody has ever heard of, using Excite translate, without question marks all over them.
He said he was making it all up.
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perhaps he means "please don't believe i made these from my imagination" or "please don't think these are fake"
anyway they seem real to me, why would he put them side by side with the cards we already know are real?
the blogger stated:
"Please Please Please Please Please do not believe
I made it from the imagination"
Maybe, he meant
"Please please please please do not believe that i made it from the imagination."
...i'm just thowin' it out there....
Edit: tp13 beat me to it.
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The blog post was made before that information became available on the site. Could the blog post have been edited in the interim? Was it? If not, there's evidence of the veracity of at least that card.
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Using my leet Japanese skills (more commonly referred to as ability to use the "Translate this page" function of Google) it appears that the latest issue of the magazine does include an article about Magic, but it doesn't say any more than that.
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We already knew about it from the Scrye article.
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I'll agree it's not good in current blink builds. Building around it is what makes it nuts; especially because building around it will yield an archtype that is competitive even without it. The key would be to build a WUG aggro-control. Off the top of my head, 4 Birds, 4 Wall of Roots, 4 Venser, 4 Mystic Snake, 4 Blink, 4 of this counter, 4 Delay, some Cloudskates, some Rune Snags, some Loxodon Warhammers, a Teferi or two, some manlands, and some Tarmogoyfs thrown in the mix. Hell, I guess you don't even really need the blinks, but they make a great splash. The result would be almost as aggressive and much more controlling than BUG control, which at the moment is ravaging Standard with its efficiency (at least, around where I play). If this card is real, expect to see it cropping up in most decks playing blue.
But I digress. I agree that his first statement is ambiguous, however if he meant "Don't believe me, I'm making these up" he probably wouldn't have gone on to say that they were from this magazine. Even despite that, and the oddity of the Kithkin flavor-wise and the keywording of Mistform Ultimus' ability, I'm drifting towards the "believers". These are all certainly printable cards.
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My read on that, with the devil smilies he gives, is that he was being sarcastic about we should not believing him, and that we actually SHOULD believe him. Given that he's not an intentional faker, I'm inclined to believe him.
Whoa! This counterspell is ridiculous good with all the CIP effects in today's environment. Its "drawback" can often be an advantage. On top of that, imagine playing this in response to removal: you GUARANTEE saving your creature, since the cost is paid immediately, even if your opponent has countermagic in hand to counter this card. Looks like yet another Standard season where blue is one of the best colors...
It's unclear whether the poster meant that "shapeshift" is a keyword (maybe he was just saying that the ability seemed to him like shapeshifting). If he did, then I don't like that "shapeshift" appears to be a keyword. I mean, how often is that ability going to show up to justify its use as a keyword? And it's going to be a bit confusing with the Shapeshifter type (maybe it's a wrong Excite translation, and it's actually some other word, like "Mimetic" or something?).
I imagine that cleaned up, the text would read something like:
[Card Name]
Tribal Enchantment - Giant
rare
Each creature with the highest converted mana cost among all creatures has protection from all colors.
It's not an "Enchant Giant creature" aura.
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The kithkin is interesting. It has the potential to be a very efficient creature, but like the orge/demon interaction from kamigawa, it's usefulness is limited by how cheaply you can get a giant into play. If there's a good 3 cmc giant, the two (and brion stoutarm) are probably gonna be paired up in the next generation of BDW decks.
The counterspell actually really underwhelms me. Sure, it has a lot of potential interactions, but I remember counterspell too well to get excited about the exact same card plus a drawback. If it was U or 1U I would feel a little more enthusiastic about it, but UU for a counterspell that you can't play well till around turn 4 or so, just meh. Could be useful with Cloud of Fairies in a legacy/vintage fish deck or something, I dunno.
It's interesting to see Bone Harvest and Portent in not-slowtrip form. The first is a backbreaking limited bomb, potentially playable in constructed. The second has always played second string to Brainstorm, but will probably see some play as the Sleight of Hand replacement.
The red elemental Vedalken Engineer seems interesting, getting a two-mana boost for 2 is very powerful, especially since it also very well fixes you. Inquest was right, "mono"-red five color elemental decks are going to be very possible if there is more of this sort of thing.
As for grizzly ultimus, it seems kind of sad to me. This effect was a big deal, big enough to make legendary last time around. Now it's on (likely a common) a otherwise vanilla 2/2 for 2?
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I also am rather underwhelmed by that counter. You can't really use it turn 2, especially with the UU casting cost. Additionally, its only good in aggro deck/maybe midrange since control is never going to have enough creatures around to make it worth it (unless were talking about that delightful Merrow token generating spell in some sort of fish-opposition.) A good card, for sure, but not "broken" as people have said.
Hm... This would indeed be interesting. The problem is, all of the green, white, and red effects are either antiquated (things like Formation), or the same (or very similar) effects already exist as regular cantrips (like flare).
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At the moment, I'm leaning towards these being cards he made up, to go along with the "real" cards from the Bar.
Tribal Enchant - Giant (r)
Each creature with the highest converted mana cost has Protection (all color)
I like the way this card works. You can't put it on your h.o.m.c. in play so it can still be easy to remove. Even funner if you put it on your opponent's best creature so if your gets removed it falls off.
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