My deepest gratitiude to the powers that bring us this info, it's been a fantastic season for spoilage so far!
So, more cards, this time for the Kithkin clan... I should point out that the name on the Knight is an educated guess based on what I've been told about this card... and what we know about the names... (Thanks to our hard-working number crunchers ;))
Kinsbaile Balloonist 3W Creature - Kithkin Soldier Flying Whenever Kinsbaile Balloonist attacks, you may have target creature gain flying until end of turn. 2/2 common
Limited filler... nothing much to add here except, what's the next card:
Knight of Meadowgrain WW Creature - Kithkin knight First strike Lifelink 2/2 Uncommon
Now, this is more like it: Granted, Lifelink isn't protection, that's certain, but it is a great ability, especially when it's slapped on an efficiently costed body. Without first strike this would have been quite below the standard for white, but it does have first strike, so I'd expect this to be a strong part of a kithkin deck's early game both in block and should they make and appearance in standard also.
Knight of Meadowgrain is, IMO, one of the best uncommon cards for the Kithkin tribe, and coupled with uncommon gems like the Goldmeadow Stalwart, commons like the mighty Oblivion ring, and rares by way of the impressive Thoughweft Trio, builds a strong core of establishing cards to base a deck around.
I only hope you're still enjoying the rumors and spoilage from us all here at 'Salvation willing to put in the effort and risk to bring you news of this exciting set. With just over a week to go before the PR, and only around 100 or so cards left to discover, we're well on track for an early 'fully spoiled' completion of this remarkable stand alone expansion.
The baloonist is bad, but the knight is so good that I don't mind.
Efficient and troublesome, it will certainly see play in any kithkin deck and probably in some non-tribal ones too over the next 2 years.
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I would like nothing more than to reveal this fellow first turn as I play the kithkin Isamaru.
And both being uncommon, they will not be impossoible to come by in either limited play or (obviously) constructed. It seems like Kithkin may in fact be able to mount some decent WW strategy.
I agree about Knight of Meadowgrain: very strong in an aggro deck especially against the mirror. If tribes do become a relevant part fo Standard I expect this one to be fairly prominent. No longer is Kithkin the "worst tribe"...
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Knight of Meadowgrain WW Creature - Kithkin knight First strike Lifelink 2/2 Uncommon
Knight of Meadowgrain is, IMO, one of the best uncommon cards for the Kithkin tribe, and coupled with uncommon gems like the Goldmeadow Stalwart, commons like the mighty Oblivion ring, and rares by way of the impressive Thoughweft Trio, builds a strong core of establishing cards to base a deck around.
When I start playing Magic, I asked my neighbour why steadfast guard was good. He told me it was a 2/2 for WW with first strike. He asked me, search a card which obsoletes this one. So I did, and I didn't really succeded.
Meanwhile, he quitted, money issues, cardborder issues, etc. If I show him this card, he pobably tell me an other reason too why he did stop.
I only hope you're still enjoying the rumors and spoilage from us all here at 'Salvation willing to put in the effort and risk to bring you news of this exciting set.
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hey i have managed to evolve my axolotls by feeding them thyroid glands the thyroxine contained in these gland is enough to change these water dwelling creatures into land based creatures
Posted by: Tay Collins | January 20, 2010 6:45 AM
Tay, that's not evolution. It's metamorphosis. Evolution means descent with heritable modification – individuals cannot evolve, unless they're Pokemon.
Posted by: David Marjanović | January 20, 2010 8:55 AM
Nice cards. The baloonist looks quite good in Limited. Granted, Kithkin aren't known for having the fatest creature around, but it's still a good ability. The Knight looks good in limited and constructed. A bit worse than Knight of the Holy Nimbus (which saw play), but with the benefit of being tribal. Probably the best two-drop Kithkin we've seen.
Edit: Forgot about Gaddock in the 2 CC slot. Maybe the Knight it's the second-best two drop, but that's still pretty good.
Nice, the Knight is exactly the power level I was hoping for. They are definitely very powerful against red decks, providing a way to stem the tides of even the scariest Ball Lightning type creatures, and squeaking out a little life for you in the process.
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Really cool cards. The Knight might see some constructed play because with various pump effects (please reveal the 2/2 kithkin "lord" for 2, please ) , his abilities get even better.
For Aggro, the life gain isn't that important, however...
Definitely high pick in limited if you're already in white.
The Balloonist is quite cool (in limited!) because if you draft aggro with evasion, you give another of your early threats which can't attack anymore due to blockers evasion every turn. Not a first-pick, but I'd still almost always include it if I draft aggro.
Two nice cards for limited. The Knights will most certainly see play in constructed, although apparently I'm valuing them less than most people here. He really shines in the mirror match, but doesn't do much versus control. Gaddock Teeg aside, I foresee the Kithkin having a hard time playing against control decks.
I don't think Kithkin was ever the worst tribe-- it's gotta be Giants, with no creature under 1,000,000 mana. Still a lot of cards left to be spoiled though.
I actually kind of like the Balloonist. It's the sort of limited card that makes you think about just how high you want to pick it, and if it belongs in your deck. It could be a strong drop to finish the beats in the air (when you give some fattie flying), or it could be an overcosted card that doesn't do anything but mess up your tempo-- depending on the deck. It's a solid skill-testing card.
in isolation this is weaker than both Knight of the Holy Nimbus and Silver Knight (and probably on par with White Knight).
However, the relevant creature type never hurts, especially when it lets you bring IsamaruKithkin online. Also, Lorywnn is looking to make the format very creature based. If there's one thing this knight does very well, it's win damage races. Will definitly be used in block, and, based on the strength of other kithkin, most likely in Constructed as well
Edit: Accidentally said black Knight... Black Knight is awesome, being way ahead of the curve for it's colour. White Knight is decent... but cruel edict effects can get around it. Red can't really solve silver knight at all
A friend of mine says that the reason that a lot of creatures in white weenie - and even in boros deck wins - are mainstays is because even though they're small, they're hard to get rid of using common spot removal found in red and black.
That kithkin "lord" better be cheap... lol I want my meadowgrain to get a size boost to stave of those Tarfires. That or there better be a Kithkin version of Benevolent Unicorn.
I'm happy though that Militia's Pride will allow me to keep a few meadowgrain's in my hand and keep my offense going.
Man, everybody is really trashing on the baloonist, but I think he's pretty nice, but then again I'm really a limited player. Giving another one of your creatures evasion for nothing other than attacking is pretty darn good, especially if you're flying something like a big fat white giant over their line. And 4cc for a 2/2 flyer is very par for the course. I liked kithkin before, but it seems clear that wizards is making flying a significant part of their arsenal as well, which is really just what they needed to be one of the strongest limited tribes. The problem with the weenie approach in draft is that it lacks reach, but kithkin don't seem to have that problem nearly as much. Bravo. Here's hoping the quality continues. Wizards is trying really hard to rehabilitate white.
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That Knight is really cool. White has some interesting and fun variations on the Grizzly Bear. This isn't quite Silver Knight, but he may or may not be better than Knight of the Holy Nimbus. I won't be playing Kithkin anytime soon, but I'm happy this card is seeing print.
Black Knight has to be the best knight, simply because he is black and has protection from the color with the best targetted removal..
only a limited amout of decks play red as removal.. most play white for swords to plowshares
Don't you mean:
Black Knight has to be the best knight, simply because he is black and has protection from the best targeted removal?
White has the best, but black has many more. So it's more likely to face such a card.
Edit: The flyer is nice though. It's funny but to high costed.
But 2W would have been too low costed in my oppinion. It's still a common after all.
and most black removal target only non-black creatures...
Could be, but I don't look at black removal that much. I just look at my bro's MBC and he doesn't have that problem. Thanks for pointing that out tho.
Edit2: Hydro, will we get another spoilerspree like last week, when over 40 cards were spoiled? Because I was planning to take a book and read something But if it is spoiler-evening, I'll rather stay awake.
Black Knight has to be the best knight, simply because he is black and has protection from the best targeted removal?
White has the best, but black has many more. So it's more likely to face such a card.
Edit: The flyer is nice though. It's funny but to high costed.
But 2W would have been too low costed in my oppinion. It's still a common after all.
and most black removal target only non-black creatures...
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The balloonist is an awesome limited common. 2/2 fliers are good cards. 2/2 fliers with relevant abilities are even better. 2/2 fliers that let your big ground pounders also gain flying and break open a stalled board are awesome. I look forward to playing with this guy over the next six months.
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I like the Knight, but will is see play over the Knight from TS that auto-regenerates? (I forget the name at the moment) Is Wizards throwing us a lot of little White guys and expecting us to say "Oh, White Weenie?" I still have to see if there's more business spells in Lorwyn before I say WW is back.
I cant even begin to thank hydro and the salvation crew for a rumor season like this. Fantastic work, but be careful guys.
The 2 drop Kith is pretty damn good. With any fore of pump he makes racing in aggro decks a little one sided. The balloonist is pretty bad but I can see his uses in limited. Nothing like making you huge craw wurmish thing gain flying for the win.
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Sweetness. I hope I get a chance to crack a nice pool of Kithkin in sealed at the prerelease, it's definitely one of the tribes I'm really looking forward to.
So, more cards, this time for the Kithkin clan... I should point out that the name on the Knight is an educated guess based on what I've been told about this card... and what we know about the names... (Thanks to our hard-working number crunchers ;))
Kinsbaile Balloonist
3W
Creature - Kithkin Soldier
Flying
Whenever Kinsbaile Balloonist attacks, you may have target creature gain flying until end of turn.
2/2
common
Limited filler... nothing much to add here except, what's the next card:
Knight of Meadowgrain
WW
Creature - Kithkin knight
First strike
Lifelink
2/2
Uncommon
Now, this is more like it: Granted, Lifelink isn't protection, that's certain, but it is a great ability, especially when it's slapped on an efficiently costed body. Without first strike this would have been quite below the standard for white, but it does have first strike, so I'd expect this to be a strong part of a kithkin deck's early game both in block and should they make and appearance in standard also.
Knight of Meadowgrain is, IMO, one of the best uncommon cards for the Kithkin tribe, and coupled with uncommon gems like the Goldmeadow Stalwart, commons like the mighty Oblivion ring, and rares by way of the impressive Thoughweft Trio, builds a strong core of establishing cards to base a deck around.
I only hope you're still enjoying the rumors and spoilage from us all here at 'Salvation willing to put in the effort and risk to bring you news of this exciting set. With just over a week to go before the PR, and only around 100 or so cards left to discover, we're well on track for an early 'fully spoiled' completion of this remarkable stand alone expansion.
Enjoy, and please discuss.
Efficient and troublesome, it will certainly see play in any kithkin deck and probably in some non-tribal ones too over the next 2 years.
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I would like nothing more than to reveal this fellow first turn as I play the kithkin Isamaru.
And both being uncommon, they will not be impossoible to come by in either limited play or (obviously) constructed. It seems like Kithkin may in fact be able to mount some decent WW strategy.
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Knight could be funny, but I wish it had some sort of protection instead of lifelink -.-
When I start playing Magic, I asked my neighbour why steadfast guard was good. He told me it was a 2/2 for WW with first strike. He asked me, search a card which obsoletes this one. So I did, and I didn't really succeded.
Meanwhile, he quitted, money issues, cardborder issues, etc. If I show him this card, he pobably tell me an other reason too why he did stop.
I sure do.
Posted by: Tay Collins | January 20, 2010 6:45 AM
Tay, that's not evolution. It's metamorphosis. Evolution means descent with heritable modification – individuals cannot evolve, unless they're Pokemon.
Posted by: David Marjanović | January 20, 2010 8:55 AM
the knight is great, could team up with the knight of the holy nimbus or whatever it's called.
All in all, lifelink it has, protection it doesn't
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Edit: Forgot about Gaddock in the 2 CC slot. Maybe the Knight it's the second-best two drop, but that's still pretty good.
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For Aggro, the life gain isn't that important, however...
Definitely high pick in limited if you're already in white.
The Balloonist is quite cool (in limited!) because if you draft aggro with evasion, you give another of your early threats which can't attack anymore due to blockers evasion every turn. Not a first-pick, but I'd still almost always include it if I draft aggro.
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I actually kind of like the Balloonist. It's the sort of limited card that makes you think about just how high you want to pick it, and if it belongs in your deck. It could be a strong drop to finish the beats in the air (when you give some fattie flying), or it could be an overcosted card that doesn't do anything but mess up your tempo-- depending on the deck. It's a solid skill-testing card.
However, the relevant creature type never hurts, especially when it lets you bring IsamaruKithkin online. Also, Lorywnn is looking to make the format very creature based. If there's one thing this knight does very well, it's win damage races. Will definitly be used in block, and, based on the strength of other kithkin, most likely in Constructed as well
Edit: Accidentally said black Knight... Black Knight is awesome, being way ahead of the curve for it's colour. White Knight is decent... but cruel edict effects can get around it. Red can't really solve silver knight at all
That kithkin "lord" better be cheap... lol I want my meadowgrain to get a size boost to stave of those Tarfires. That or there better be a Kithkin version of Benevolent Unicorn.
I'm happy though that Militia's Pride will allow me to keep a few meadowgrain's in my hand and keep my offense going.
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Black Knight has to be the best knight, simply because he is black and has protection from the color with the best targetted removal..
only a limited amout of decks play red as removal.. most play white for swords to plowshares
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That Knight is really cool. White has some interesting and fun variations on the Grizzly Bear. This isn't quite Silver Knight, but he may or may not be better than Knight of the Holy Nimbus. I won't be playing Kithkin anytime soon, but I'm happy this card is seeing print.
Don't you mean:
Black Knight has to be the best knight, simply because he is black and has protection from the best targeted removal?
White has the best, but black has many more. So it's more likely to face such a card.
Edit: The flyer is nice though. It's funny but to high costed.
But 2W would have been too low costed in my oppinion. It's still a common after all.
Could be, but I don't look at black removal that much. I just look at my bro's MBC and he doesn't have that problem. Thanks for pointing that out tho.
Edit2: Hydro, will we get another spoilerspree like last week, when over 40 cards were spoiled? Because I was planning to take a book and read something But if it is spoiler-evening, I'll rather stay awake.
and most black removal target only non-black creatures...
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On another topic, the Hobbits-erm... Kithkin are becoming a fascinating (and may I say powerfull?) tribe.
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The 2 drop Kith is pretty damn good. With any fore of pump he makes racing in aggro decks a little one sided. The balloonist is pretty bad but I can see his uses in limited. Nothing like making you huge craw wurmish thing gain flying for the win.
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