During Kami I would have said no way to that rumor... but right now for the sake of power creep!!?! I can easily beleive that spell is real. Remember they have just printed the best creature in ages Tarmogoyfso why not the best discard spell? And about discard what have been good recently ? Nothing at all except mass dicard à la persecuteI so HOPE this is real Confirmation pleaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeee !!!! Sadly it would become THE chase rare so expect to pay a lot
so far it is a toss between goblins and kithkin, the 1/1 that grows as gobbos die has pushed it above for the moment but the 2/2 ww kithkin lord might just push that over
I buy that idea. The kithkin have barely been revealed in comparison to the rest of the tribes. Need to see the rest of the set.
[card=Dismal Failure]"Two magi could trade spells all day and never crown a victor.
The real battle is not one of power but of will.
If your confidence breaks, so too shall you." —Venser[/card]
me too, all i have wanted was duress reprinted, or ostrisice. the reason black control/discard isn't really playable right now is the lack of good first turn hand disruption
mmmh, im starting to be skeptical myself..... And i dont have Hydro to back me up. Either i struck gold, or am terribly mistaken.
This card better be real, or i'll probably get beat up XD. the thread is steaming, since it was made today and already has 9 pages. lol
the whole thead is funny if you read it throught.
At first people were going: "oh cool, it looks like distress, or duress, but duress is better "
Then people started: "oh, but on legacy this card will rock"
Then, deck speculations on how to use them and abuse them
Then :" no, this card is too powerfull, Wizard would never...."
Now, after the initial momentum has wared off, peolple are calling fake
I will not try to convince you that this cards are not fake, since i am not 100% sure myself and dont have enough solid proof to back it up. we`ll see....
Hydro, i thought you already had the complete spoiler, and were just teasing us.....
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mmmh, im starting to be skeptical myself..... And i dont have Hydro to back me up. Either i struck gold, or am terribly mistaken.
This card better be real, or i'll probably get beat up XD. the thread is steaming, since it was made today and already has 9 pages. lol
the whole thead is funny if you read it throught.
At first people were going: "oh cool, it looks like distress, or duress, but duress is better "
Then people started: "oh, but on legacy this card will rock"
Then, deck speculations on how to use them and abuse them
Then :" no, this card is too powerfull, Wizard would never...."
Now, after the initial momentum has wared off, peolple are calling fake
I will not try to convince you that this cards are not fake, since i am not 100% sure myself and dont have enough solid proof to back it up. we`ll see....
Hydro, i thought you already had the complete spoiler, and were just teasing us.....
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No not really. And he has outside sources telling him stuff.
I hope that info is right and we are just mistaken somewhere along the lines of skepticism. Because it would rock right now if it were true. So we are hoping that it is. Even if the info is somewhat off, its still some noteworthy power to point out they made a variant of duress again.
[card=Dismal Failure]"Two magi could trade spells all day and never crown a victor.
The real battle is not one of power but of will.
If your confidence breaks, so too shall you." —Venser[/card]
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but I believe this could be the reason why Blackmail wasn't in 10th Edition. Distress replaces Castigate, this replaces Blackmail.
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but I believe this could be the reason why Blackmail wasn't in 10th Edition. Distress replaces Castigate, this replaces Blackmail.
I believe it.
Except, this is alot better then Distress because its basicly Distress for a self shock.
Its like printing cancel in 10th then printing this:
:symu::symu:
Instant
Counter target spell.
You lose 2 life.
Scry 1.
There's no doubt that it is on the powerful end of the curve, if not overpowered. However, I wouldn't put it past Wizards - this is the sort of card that they do print occasionally. It pushes the envelope, but in a Standard environment with relatively few combo decks it isn't going to be too meta-warping.
As far as Extended, Legacy, and Vntage are concerned, this card is an interesting animal. Duress and Cabal Therapy already exist, and the fact is tha every additional "1-mana discard" you add to your deck is less valuable than the previous one - the law of diminishing returns. I can see a lot of decks replacing Duress or Therapy with this, but that in and of itself doesn't make it too good to print. And frankly, I don't think there are many decks that will play this AND Therapy AND Duress all at the same time.
Like everyone else, I remain skeptical but hopeful.
As an additional cost to play this card, return a creature you control to its owner's hand. Counter target spell.
You can't even play this card unless there's a creature in play, which dramatically limits its usefulness in the early game. Abusable as this additional cost may be with Venser, Shaper Savant and similar stuff, it's still strictly worse than Counterspell for any control deck that does not build around its synnergies. That's a big "or something" you're trying to pass down on us...
The proposed Neo-Duress is stricly better than Duress, as it can hit creature cards as well for an insignificant additional cost. I don't think Wizards would so obsolete a card that already sees heavy play as it is.
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Not saying that this would be printed but... some folks here sure seem to overrate the influence of older/eternal formats on modern set design. It's called Standard for a reason.
I would hope this card (assuming/hoping it is real) would be printed as a uncommon and not as a rare. I feel it's affect doesn't justify rare status, but it's not that much different than Extirpate as far as power-level and playability (if anything it's better).
The proposed Neo-Duress is stricly better than Duress, as it can hit creature cards as well for an insignificant additional cost. I don't think Wizards would so obsolete a card that already sees heavy play as it is.
Sorry, but i can't stand when someone uses "strictly better" to describe a card (and I'm sure it's been said multiple times in this thread so I don't mean to single you out). What happens if I'm at 2 life and I need to cast this to make sure my only creature survives to my next turn to swing for lethal damage? Would you rather resolve the 4th Neo-Duress (losing 8 life) or the 4th Duress verse an aggressive aggro deck? In Vintage and Legacy, resolving one of these means one less spell that needs to be cast for a lethal Tendrils of Agony or Empty the Warrens (yes, you forced them to discard an important spell but most storm based decks are resilient or would hide behind a Brainstorm). Yes, Neo-Duress would be great, played in nearly every deck that runs black in standard. Yes, it has a great effect that isn't as narrow as Duress, and certainly not as narrow as Ostracize. But no, it is not strictly better than Duress. In my opinion it is close to the same power level as Duress, quite powerful but very well costed
UU
Counter target spell.
Return a creature you control to it's owner's hand.
*or something like that...*
I never thought about Familiar's Ruse (the above card) and Neo-Dureess together but what if this is part of a cycle? Functional reprints of heavily played cards that would be a little to powerful today printed at the same mana-cost but with a drawback?
Neo-Duress = Duress + Ostracize
Familiar's Ruse = Counterspell
Now I would think Hydro would have hinted at this by now, but maybe it's one of the things he's holding back?
Not saying that this would be printed but... some folks here sure seem to overrate the influence of older/eternal formats on modern set design. It's called Standard for a reason.
Yeah, but unlike you, there are people both in and outside of WiZos who recognize the fun and value of the Eternal formats. While obviously Standard is taken account since it is very important for tournaments and the like, the Eternal formats are always paid attention to (or at least, that's what WiZos say)...this is without taking into consideration Extended, where both Duress and Cabal Therapy will rotate out of when Lorwyn is released.
While Chalice was a fair card Trinisphere was so degenerate they had to restrict it in T1.
Those two are unique cause they really had no T2 application whatsoever.
Chalice still felt a ripple through the environment they kind of realized hmm maybe we just work on regular cards. Then if they happen to be a splash in Legacy or Vintage thats fine.
Anyways I see this being a very very powerful card in the older formats if true but not so much to break those formats. Could be wrong but its just a slightly better Duress nothing to be fearful of.
We aren't even sure this guys source is true so its not like this super duress is even confirmed.
Neo-Duress looks like it's missing a very important line of text, like the one on Familiar's Ruse...... otherwise it is just stupid stupid stupid good.
I would defiantly play that card in Legcay but I dont think it would be all that great in standard. Spending Mana and life to maybe get a decent 1 for 1 just doesnt seem that great. I would rather just have a terror for their EOT or a damnation or a creature that turns side ways. Sure it will have its uses for stoping combo decks and for aggro deck that need a better answer to wrath of god, but i dont think it would go into every black deck in standard.
I think the neo duress is very printable. Wizards has to make powerful cards somewheres and using the statement that "Wizards isnt making discard that good anymore" is wrong. MaRo has said on many occasions that Magic is constantly shifting directions which would make it so that one day discard will be pointless and the next it will be the nuts.
this is without taking into consideration Extended, where both Duress and Cabal Therapy will rotate out of when Lorwyn is released.
Let me rephrase. I do acknowledge wiz will print a token card here and there aimed at older formats. What I don't see is them holding back on a powerful card idea in standard, simply because it would be "over"powered in older formats, or that older formats don't need "yet another" of said card. The fact that "this would universally replace Duress in vintage because the 2 life is irrelevant there" has no bearing on whether they'd print the card or not.
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Sed's gut is almost always right when it comes to things like this... so I'm erring on the side of wishful, but doubtful.
I have seen nothing, and I mean nothing either way on this card, and the suggested others... sorry I can't be of any mroe help than that.
Perhaps one of the many legendary rumor gods viewing this thread will enlighten me soon.
sigh...
well thats info for us at least, though i'm sure another 100 odd posts will come
1 thing i haven't seen mentioned is that it could be 1b not just b, of course then its just a bad uncommon
i do agree that we should get "one of those who know" to tell us yes or no soon (i hope)
however i would just like the original one to be reprinted, that way we wouldnt have 8x duress in extended and problem solved.
that card would be sick
I buy that idea. The kithkin have barely been revealed in comparison to the rest of the tribes. Need to see the rest of the set.
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—Venser[/card]
me too, all i have wanted was duress reprinted, or ostrisice. the reason black control/discard isn't really playable right now is the lack of good first turn hand disruption
This card better be real, or i'll probably get beat up XD. the thread is steaming, since it was made today and already has 9 pages. lol
the whole thead is funny if you read it throught.
At first people were going: "oh cool, it looks like distress, or duress, but duress is better "
Then people started: "oh, but on legacy this card will rock"
Then, deck speculations on how to use them and abuse them
Then :" no, this card is too powerfull, Wizard would never...."
Now, after the initial momentum has wared off, peolple are calling fake
I will not try to convince you that this cards are not fake, since i am not 100% sure myself and dont have enough solid proof to back it up. we`ll see....
Hydro, i thought you already had the complete spoiler, and were just teasing us.....
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No not really. And he has outside sources telling him stuff.
I hope that info is right and we are just mistaken somewhere along the lines of skepticism. Because it would rock right now if it were true. So we are hoping that it is. Even if the info is somewhat off, its still some noteworthy power to point out they made a variant of duress again.
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—Venser[/card]
I believe it.
Except, this is alot better then Distress because its basicly Distress for a self shock.
Its like printing cancel in 10th then printing this:
:symu::symu:
Instant
Counter target spell.
You lose 2 life.
Scry 1.
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I'd play the balls off of that particular spell. I see your point, as well.
They make better versions of core set cards all the time. I'm not sure what your point is, I never compared Distress and Neo Duress.
All I said was that they may have taken blackmail out of the core set to not give black 8 playable 1-mana discard spells.
UU
Counter target spell.
Return a creature you control to it's owner's hand.
*or something like that...*
So... I don't think the fact Distress is in Xth is really a good arguement against it.
Just the fact it's increadably powerful, far more so then I think they'd print anymore, seems enough for me.
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And don't forget about the Duress variants such as Venarian Glimmer and Lost Hours.
It just makes Distress moreso undesirable.
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As far as Extended, Legacy, and Vntage are concerned, this card is an interesting animal. Duress and Cabal Therapy already exist, and the fact is tha every additional "1-mana discard" you add to your deck is less valuable than the previous one - the law of diminishing returns. I can see a lot of decks replacing Duress or Therapy with this, but that in and of itself doesn't make it too good to print. And frankly, I don't think there are many decks that will play this AND Therapy AND Duress all at the same time.
Like everyone else, I remain skeptical but hopeful.
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ehhh... no. Familiar's Ruse reads:
As an additional cost to play this card, return a creature you control to its owner's hand. Counter target spell.
You can't even play this card unless there's a creature in play, which dramatically limits its usefulness in the early game. Abusable as this additional cost may be with Venser, Shaper Savant and similar stuff, it's still strictly worse than Counterspell for any control deck that does not build around its synnergies. That's a big "or something" you're trying to pass down on us...
The proposed Neo-Duress is stricly better than Duress, as it can hit creature cards as well for an insignificant additional cost. I don't think Wizards would so obsolete a card that already sees heavy play as it is.
So next time you want to make an avvy with Rosewater pissing on something, take a deep breath and consider pasting Forsythe's face there instead...
Sorry, but i can't stand when someone uses "strictly better" to describe a card (and I'm sure it's been said multiple times in this thread so I don't mean to single you out). What happens if I'm at 2 life and I need to cast this to make sure my only creature survives to my next turn to swing for lethal damage? Would you rather resolve the 4th Neo-Duress (losing 8 life) or the 4th Duress verse an aggressive aggro deck? In Vintage and Legacy, resolving one of these means one less spell that needs to be cast for a lethal Tendrils of Agony or Empty the Warrens (yes, you forced them to discard an important spell but most storm based decks are resilient or would hide behind a Brainstorm). Yes, Neo-Duress would be great, played in nearly every deck that runs black in standard. Yes, it has a great effect that isn't as narrow as Duress, and certainly not as narrow as Ostracize. But no, it is not strictly better than Duress. In my opinion it is close to the same power level as Duress, quite powerful but very well costed
I never thought about Familiar's Ruse (the above card) and Neo-Dureess together but what if this is part of a cycle? Functional reprints of heavily played cards that would be a little to powerful today printed at the same mana-cost but with a drawback?
Neo-Duress = Duress + Ostracize
Familiar's Ruse = Counterspell
Now I would think Hydro would have hinted at this by now, but maybe it's one of the things he's holding back?
Yeah, but unlike you, there are people both in and outside of WiZos who recognize the fun and value of the Eternal formats. While obviously Standard is taken account since it is very important for tournaments and the like, the Eternal formats are always paid attention to (or at least, that's what WiZos say)...this is without taking into consideration Extended, where both Duress and Cabal Therapy will rotate out of when Lorwyn is released.
Look at how Chalice of the Void and Trinisphere worked.
While Chalice was a fair card Trinisphere was so degenerate they had to restrict it in T1.
Those two are unique cause they really had no T2 application whatsoever.
Chalice still felt a ripple through the environment they kind of realized hmm maybe we just work on regular cards. Then if they happen to be a splash in Legacy or Vintage thats fine.
Anyways I see this being a very very powerful card in the older formats if true but not so much to break those formats. Could be wrong but its just a slightly better Duress nothing to be fearful of.
We aren't even sure this guys source is true so its not like this super duress is even confirmed.
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I think the neo duress is very printable. Wizards has to make powerful cards somewheres and using the statement that "Wizards isnt making discard that good anymore" is wrong. MaRo has said on many occasions that Magic is constantly shifting directions which would make it so that one day discard will be pointless and the next it will be the nuts.
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Let me rephrase. I do acknowledge wiz will print a token card here and there aimed at older formats. What I don't see is them holding back on a powerful card idea in standard, simply because it would be "over"powered in older formats, or that older formats don't need "yet another" of said card. The fact that "this would universally replace Duress in vintage because the 2 life is irrelevant there" has no bearing on whether they'd print the card or not.