Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from green and from black.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card and untap all lands you control.
Equip - 2
can't give you a reliable source but wait and see.
The big problem I see with this is that both of its abilities way too often will be doing nothing.
Specter abilities are chronically useless when both players have entered topdeck mode.
Untapping all of your lands only does something if you have cards/abilities to play both before and after combat.
Once both players have hit topdeck mode, this is going to do nothing all day.
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I like it! "Untap all lands you control" is a pretty sweet ability to put onto equipment. The discard part is kind of a throwaway, but it will help eke out an advantage.
It's certainly better than Body and Mind, but not as good as the original two. We're definitely not going to see Sword of Fire and Ice levels of power on an equipment ever again, that card was a mistake.
If this is real, it is disgustingly good. Card advantage and tempo with every hit, relevant protections, +2/+2. Very very solid card that should see quite a bit of play.
Not bad, really balanced effect not really game breaking since it wouldn't affect the game majorly. But this card will fuel up the price for Stoneforge mystic which is already plenty strong due to number of great equips that we have for this set. The discard a card part should have been randomly discard, oh well.
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#2 - Give it protection from removal and counter?
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The big problem I see with this is that both of its abilities way too often will be doing nothing.
Specter abilities are chronically useless when both players have entered topdeck mode.
Untapping all of your lands only does something if you have cards/abilities to play both before and after combat.
Once both players have hit topdeck mode, this is going to do nothing all day.
Except provide a power and toughness boost and give it protection from two very relevant colors in Standard right now. Seems good to me.
Protection from black removal and green ramp decks, makes your critter into a specter and it costs nothing to play (AKA you get your lands back after hitting with it).
Some people have been seriously spoiled by magic to not like this.
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You know the untap effect would have been a LOT better on the U/G sword, where producing a token to sac for Black effects would have been sweet on this one.
Discard a card is pretty week, but pro black isn't week at all, esp since this sword is like an auto include against most infect decks.
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Out of the blackness and stench of the engulfing swamp emerged a shimmering figure. Only the splattered armor and ichor-stained sword hinted at the unfathomable evil the knight had just laid waste.
This seems a little better than people are giving it credit for... the prot green/black card definitely wasn't going to be better than SoFI or SoLS, because prot green/black just isn't better.
But honestly... I think the abilities on this card are better than Light/Shadow. Card Advantage is awesome. I can't figure out what to do with the untapped lands yet, but I'd rather have that than 3 life.
Obviously this sword doesn't touch SoFI, but I really hope none of them are straight up better than SoFI. I don't want a broken sword.
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I'll be sad if people don't start calling The Chain Veil "Fleetwood Mac."
This is a really solid sword. in commander, untapping your lands is absolutely huge. Far superior to sword of body and mind as the pro-green sword of choice.
the discard is only really useful against control decks, but then the untap-effect encourages you to overcommit. its not exactly "free to play" since it costs 5 mana to play+equip, at which point your already in topdeck mode and wouldnt need to extra mana anyways
sure it gives protection from the new doom blade, but black already has the new zenith + consume the meek, so wouldnt being immune to jace-bounce be better? generating card advanatge by making a 2/2 every turn seems better
This card is very strong. It pushes damage past Grave Titan when the game might have been lost. Better than SoBaM for sure, if just for the protection.
Does this means that the next set name will be New Phyrexia? They will print out the pro white/red sword in that set and pro white/red means "anti-metalcraft". Anti-metalcraft means Phyrexia, hence Phyrexia wins.
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Nope, I saw exactly this train of thoughts in Speculation several times.
Still not quite sure what to think of this, game-wise. Also, I will believe it when I see the scan (or an independent source confirms it).
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The card seems unexciting but I mean in a fast deck like WWQ it could be good as, although its not very consistent, when it does go off its fast enough that the specter ability will be relevant because your opponent will still have cards in hand and with the few lands the deck runs, you'll really get value out of your turns by being able to keep up emerge unscathed mana or what have you post combat where the deck typically ends up tapping out all of its 2 or 3 lands precombat for equipment shinanigans.
Also if infect does move into the top tier of the metagame, this will find its way into people's side boards simply for the +2/+2 pro. B/G and who knows, maybe even still as B, and particularly G are so prevalent in the current meta, albeit not together.
Have we seen anything so far to lead us to believe that they wont print both swords in Besieged? If this set is about war, then shouldn't both sides be armed?
On topic: I really like this sword. Mostly for EDH, but definitely for standard too. With stoneforge mystic to get it out early enough, the discard may put your opponent into topdeck mode before you. Winning is usually easier at that point.
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Artifact - Equipment (M)
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from green and from black.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card and untap all lands you control.
Equip - 2
can't give you a reliable source but wait and see.
bit disappointing have to say.
Confirmed, image attached. -viper
Specter abilities are chronically useless when both players have entered topdeck mode.
Untapping all of your lands only does something if you have cards/abilities to play both before and after combat.
Once both players have hit topdeck mode, this is going to do nothing all day.
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It's certainly better than Body and Mind, but not as good as the original two. We're definitely not going to see Sword of Fire and Ice levels of power on an equipment ever again, that card was a mistake.
discarding a card is ok and expected
untapping lands isnt that great. at least you can re-equip to an untapped creature afterwards... butstill weak
doesnt do anything late game
As was said with Bear Umbra this plays perfectly with something like Hellkite Charger.
I will gladly take a copy of this from each of you who is disappointed in it.
Except provide a power and toughness boost and give it protection from two very relevant colors in Standard right now. Seems good to me.
Some people have been seriously spoiled by magic to not like this.
Discard a card is pretty week, but pro black isn't week at all, esp since this sword is like an auto include against most infect decks.
But honestly... I think the abilities on this card are better than Light/Shadow. Card Advantage is awesome. I can't figure out what to do with the untapped lands yet, but I'd rather have that than 3 life.
Obviously this sword doesn't touch SoFI, but I really hope none of them are straight up better than SoFI. I don't want a broken sword.
sure it gives protection from the new doom blade, but black already has the new zenith + consume the meek, so wouldnt being immune to jace-bounce be better? generating card advanatge by making a 2/2 every turn seems better
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Nope, I saw exactly this train of thoughts in Speculation several times.
Still not quite sure what to think of this, game-wise. Also, I will believe it when I see the scan (or an independent source confirms it).
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Also if infect does move into the top tier of the metagame, this will find its way into people's side boards simply for the +2/+2 pro. B/G and who knows, maybe even still as B, and particularly G are so prevalent in the current meta, albeit not together.
On topic: I really like this sword. Mostly for EDH, but definitely for standard too. With stoneforge mystic to get it out early enough, the discard may put your opponent into topdeck mode before you. Winning is usually easier at that point.