Very flavorful, and I'm excited for it. Finally not PW vs. PW for once in a while. Probably will be sold for 20 bucks so I will definitely pick one up. I'm with the dragon all the way though knights < dragons.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the Duel Deck's expansion symbol looks just like this?
Yeah, anyway, great idea, should make a fun deck. I love dragons, I love knights, looks like this is a must-buy.
THANK YOU, I knew it was very similar to something put I just couldn't think of it.
I'm going to wait until I see some kind of a deck list before I decide on this.
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To everyone saying Rafiq is the mythic knight, I have two reasons why he shouldn't be.
1 Three Colours I am pretty sure they want a straight up mono color vs mono color.
2 Exalted is hardly usable in a Knight deck I mean honestly how many exalted Knights are there. Four. I think it is more likely to be similar to a White weenie archetype.
3 Knights are stupid Dragons FTW!!!!!
And I bet Hunted Dragon is in the deck with a great probability of Waylay just for the nostalgia feel.
Maybe they'll errata it back to Ball Whitening too! Although assuming there will be a Goblin offensive they'd still be useful as blockers.
The dragon art certainly looks like B-Hell, but the original art is more humanoid. The new one is missing the bony "chest". In fact, the Fischer art almost looks like a balrog.
You know, the more I think about it the more I think Dragonstorm could be the mythic. It's a one-of in the deck, so the deck won't be built around it and unfun, while the deck is most likely going to use some sort of ramp along the lines of Seething Song and Brightstone Ritual (Somebody said early goblins?). Dstorm would never really be more than three at the best, and even with no storming, it's half of a Tooth and Nail.
How many Dragon precons have they released so far, again...?
The only foils I can think of that would have a truly imposing feel are Bogardan Hellkite and Dragon Tyrant. I'd love to see the latter with some new art.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
Hoping to see an old friend of mine in this deck. He's helped me out too much to NOT be included (ok, he's not in my crazy dragon deck, but that's because I mostly run 7 mana dragons and board removal, and he doesnt help in either... but I do love him)
If the dragon deck has goblins as a theme, then I hope Voracious Dragon is also included.
Unless A new Mythic comes out in Besieged, our choices for dragon mythic are Bogardan Hellkite, Karrthus, Dragon Broodmother (This one would be the best in my opinion), Hellkite Overlord (Although I doubt it'll be jund colors) Malfegor, or Skithiryx...
Out of these, I think Broodmother and Bogardan Hellkite are most likely, however, remember that in the past they have taken older cards and made them mythic... however, this would sorta suck, as I cant think of many really good older dragons. Maybe Kilnmouth, but since they already printed him as rare for Archenemy, this could suck.
Talking about the mythic for the knight deck, unless some uber-knight is printed in the next few months, I don't think the mythic will be a knight at all. I see two potential routes:
No knight is complete without a holy sword to help him smite evil (Arthur is nothing without Excalibur.) And what better sword than Sword of Fire and Ice? It's powerful without being broken, well-liked, hasn't appeared lately, and if Sword of Mind and Body is indication, an appropriate mythic-level card.
Alternatively, what about Akroma's Memorial getting promoted to mythic. It's powerful, well-liked, hasn't been reprinted lately, and has a knightly-flavor. Plus, it's got Akroma in it, which means people would probably buy the thing no matter what the knight deck looks like.
My concern is most dragons tend to be rare and (often) not too good so I am very curious as to what would be in that deck since we only get about 4 rares per deck (and one mythic). The dragon art feels like a Dragon Tyrant or Bogardan Hellkite. I would regret it if Shivan Dragon didn't make the list since he's an old friend. We will probably see something like Day of the Dragons, Crucible of Fire and Form of the Dragon in this as well. Hunted Dragon feels like it should be in since it makes 2/2 white Knights AND gives Ravnica love. Here's to hoping for Niv-Mizzet, The Firemind.
Talking about the mythic for the knight deck, unless some uber-knight is printed in the next few months, I don't think the mythic will be a knight at all. I see two potential routes:
No knight is complete without a holy sword to help him smite evil (Arthur is nothing without Excalibur.) And what better sword than Sword of Fire and Ice? It's powerful without being broken, well-liked, hasn't appeared lately, and if Sword of Mind and Body is indication, an appropriate mythic-level card.
Alternatively, what about Akroma's Memorial getting promoted to mythic. It's powerful, well-liked, hasn't been reprinted lately, and has a knightly-flavor. Plus, it's got Akroma in it, which means people would probably buy the thing no matter what the knight deck looks like.
I don't think a picture of a dragon staring down a sword would look very exciting on the box of the Duel Deck. If it really will be an Equipment, the art will have to focus on the knight holding it, which isn't a great idea. It worked with Urza's Rage because it showed Urza, well... raging.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
Guess what guys? There is not going to be a dragon that is from the first dragon from the vaults i would bet. I can see some dragons like kilnmouth dragon and maybe the dragonmaster outcast and the guy who lowers dragon costs. It will be cool but i expect to see cards from the new set too
So I guess that they've gone right out and confirmed Bogardan Hellkite as the Dragon mythic rare. Super lame.
The art, however, is a hell of a lot better than the bucktoothed original.
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I don't understand why so many people want Rafiq as the MR, since it'd most likely make the Knights deck an unfocused mess like the Coalition deck in PvtC. I'd much rather have something like Vengeful Dreams or even Pentarch Paladin get promoted and have a more focused deck with better overall structure and better cards across all rarities than get a mediocre Mythic from a recent set with an ability that will almost certainly end up having little to no synergy with the rest of the deck and a bunch of low-end mana-fixing and bleh support across three colours.
Oh, and it'd be really nice to have more basic lands that were only available in the old borders get new-bordered again. Maybe Portal 3 basic land art, if wishful thinking can be answered...
People want Rafiq because of his power level and nostalgia from when he was awesome not-too-long-ago in standard. I could see Pentarch Paladin getting bumped up to mythic. The card you mentioned to reduce the casting cost of dragon spells is Dragonspeaker Shaman and since he was an uncommon I agree he is in. I'd bet that the Archenemy: Scorch the World with Dragonfire (link: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/469 ) will be a strong indicator of what will be in the duel deck. This makes the third thing that dragons are a central theme of (From the Vaults, Archenemy and now this). I'll add that I agree a mythic artifact would be a let down since the art will feature a weapon vs a dragon.
We want rafiq because that means there is a decent chance of getting Knight of the Relinquary too, thus making the deck as good of a money investment as the PW decks are. Well almost as good, depending on the dragon side.
Hellkite Charger would be a good choice. I honestly could see it getting play in standard if folks weren't so preoccupied with mythics.
I know! It even has an infinite combo centered around it! Back before mythics, this guy would have Probably seen a nice standard run.
In reply to the people saying dragons tend not to be all that good, just remember such cards as Kokusho, Bogardan Hellkite, Broodmate Dragon and Two Headed Dragon (from what I understand, he was used with Fires of Yavimaya)
These are going to be casual decks and dragons dominate casual.
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I want alt art Fledgling Dragon ( that would be sick )
also the knights deck could have swords to plowshare
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THANK YOU, I knew it was very similar to something put I just couldn't think of it.
I'm going to wait until I see some kind of a deck list before I decide on this.
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1 Three Colours I am pretty sure they want a straight up mono color vs mono color.
2 Exalted is hardly usable in a Knight deck I mean honestly how many exalted Knights are there. Four. I think it is more likely to be similar to a White weenie archetype.
3 Knights are stupid Dragons FTW!!!!!
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Maybe they'll errata it back to Ball Whitening too! Although assuming there will be a Goblin offensive they'd still be useful as blockers.
The dragon art certainly looks like B-Hell, but the original art is more humanoid. The new one is missing the bony "chest". In fact, the Fischer art almost looks like a balrog.
Also, Expect Dragonspeaker Shaman to ramp and Crucible of Fire to pump the hell out of those hatchlings and whelps.
The only foils I can think of that would have a truly imposing feel are Bogardan Hellkite and Dragon Tyrant. I'd love to see the latter with some new art.
I wonder what the foil would be for the Knights... Pentarch Paladin? Paladin en-Vec? Southern Paladin?
That said, I think the dragon shown will be an older hit, such as Shivan Hellkite, but it looks a bit like Bogardan Hellkite...
If the dragon deck has goblins as a theme, then I hope Voracious Dragon is also included.
Unless A new Mythic comes out in Besieged, our choices for dragon mythic are Bogardan Hellkite, Karrthus, Dragon Broodmother (This one would be the best in my opinion), Hellkite Overlord (Although I doubt it'll be jund colors) Malfegor, or Skithiryx...
Out of these, I think Broodmother and Bogardan Hellkite are most likely, however, remember that in the past they have taken older cards and made them mythic... however, this would sorta suck, as I cant think of many really good older dragons. Maybe Kilnmouth, but since they already printed him as rare for Archenemy, this could suck.
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No knight is complete without a holy sword to help him smite evil (Arthur is nothing without Excalibur.) And what better sword than Sword of Fire and Ice? It's powerful without being broken, well-liked, hasn't appeared lately, and if Sword of Mind and Body is indication, an appropriate mythic-level card.
Alternatively, what about Akroma's Memorial getting promoted to mythic. It's powerful, well-liked, hasn't been reprinted lately, and has a knightly-flavor. Plus, it's got Akroma in it, which means people would probably buy the thing no matter what the knight deck looks like.
I'll call you on that bet, and when you lose you have to eat a forest.
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Bogardan Hellkite - mythic, maybe new art and if it gets new art I need 4
Form of the Dragon
Hunted Dragon
Dragon Tyrant
Shivan Dragon - although I feel he should be demoted to a uncommon...
Knight's could be fun. I think Marshal's Anthem, Lightwielder Paladin and Knight Exemplar are pretty much easy targets to be in for the knight deck. It'd be awesome if Knight of the Reliquary made the cut. Knight of Meadowgrain and Kinsbaile Cavalier will probably be in. I hope Rafiq of the Many is the mythic for that deck and not Ethersworn Adjudicator.
Rafiq of the Many - mythic and wishful thinking
Knight Exemplar
Kinsbaile Cavalier
Marshal's Anthem
Lightwielder Paladin
Also this article was written about knights when Knight Exemplar was spoiled: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/sf/100
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I don't think a picture of a dragon staring down a sword would look very exciting on the box of the Duel Deck. If it really will be an Equipment, the art will have to focus on the knight holding it, which isn't a great idea. It worked with Urza's Rage because it showed Urza, well... raging.
The art, however, is a hell of a lot better than the bucktoothed original.
Oh, and it'd be really nice to have more basic lands that were only available in the old borders get new-bordered again. Maybe Portal 3 basic land art, if wishful thinking can be answered...
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I know! It even has an infinite combo centered around it! Back before mythics, this guy would have Probably seen a nice standard run.
In reply to the people saying dragons tend not to be all that good, just remember such cards as Kokusho, Bogardan Hellkite, Broodmate Dragon and Two Headed Dragon (from what I understand, he was used with Fires of Yavimaya)
These are going to be casual decks and dragons dominate casual.
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