I'm thinking it's gonna be Bant Knights Vs. Mono-Red Dragons. We just came off the heels of a Mono White Elspeth Duel Deck, so to avoid repeats of useful commons and uncommons you'll probably see Bant Knights to keep things fresh. Plus, there's not many Knights that would qualify as the Mythic Foil without failing to live up to the current standards of Duel Decks if it were Mono-White.
Mono Red Dragons because they're already a plethora of red dragons and dragon themed spells to choose from in red. Then you throw in goblin support? And you've just too much to tap into for red to try and fit in anything else.
If it's Bant coloured Knights, I'm excited for it. But if its just Red Vs. White, then I can't be too excited about that considering we already had a mono white DD recently, and it would pretty much guarantee that we won't be getting an Ajani DD anytime soon because three mono whites in a row would be just ridiculous.
But if its just Red Vs. White, then I can't be too excited about that considering we already had a mono white DD recently, and it would pretty much guarantee that we won't be getting an Ajani DD anytime soon because three mono whites in a row would be just ridiculous.
We did get 3 mono black DDs in a row (Demonic, Liliana, and Phyrexia) so it's not impossible that we'll see three mono white decks. But as previously mentioned, there aren't many options for a mythic rare if the knight deck is mono white. Unless it's Baneslayer, which would be SO sweet (and equally as unlikely )
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How dare they use fantasy cliche!They act like its a fantasy based game. Fantastic 4 vs Galactus DD would've made more sense.
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It going to be mono W vs Mono R.None of this mutilcolor foolishness.Coaltion vs Phyrexia was a special thing.
Hunted Dragon is a no brainer.Though i hope they dont push it to mythic.
I dont see Silver Knight being in it since they avoid things like that in DD.Though red has Flaring Pain & Unstable Footing to deal with it.
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There are a few other ways in which the dragon deck could go rather than monored or repeating the Archenemy deck...
There are quite a few legendary dragons out there that could get bumped up to mythic status to be the foil mythic rare rather than it being a sorcery or enchantment. There's no reason why we couldn't have an elder dragon from the original Legends series as the mythic. We potentially could have seen any of the Invasion or Planar Chaos dragons become mythics but this is unlikely now because we saw 3 of these as rares not mythics in the DD:PvC.
Out of the 28 legendary dragons: 5 are Elders, 10 make up the tricolour ones with abilities that can be activated on combat damage, 5 are Kamigawa Spirit Dragons which seem a bit unlikely and we are left with 8 others...
However, I believe that Scion of the Ur-Dragon could have that potential status if Wizards wanted to try and build a unique (non mono R, non RG dragon deck. Then the Dragonsoul Knight can be chucked in for extra lols.
Looking at a list of potentials for the knight mythic rare brings up the following legendary knights:
Adun Oakenshield - Reserved List Haakon, Stromgald Scourge - Potential to open up a WB knight deck Ihsan's Shade - Fixed by Oracle to be a Shade Knight but he hardly seems mythic Jerrard of the Closed Fist - Vanilla RG Knight? Ewww Márton Stromgald - This guy has potential apart from being very severely out of the normal colour pie for knights but he is also on the Reserved List Rafiq of the Many - The strongest candidate that has already been printed as mythic Sidar Jabari - A ok candidate since it will tap down pesky dragons but is on the Reserved List Sir Shandlar of Eberyn - As with many Legends legends, another vanilla knight even though the colours are better GW Telim'Tor - Another not bad knight but off colour and on the Reserved List Tivadar of Thorn - An ok-ish card if the dragons end up having goblins until they ramp but still not mythic material. I recall this being a junk-ish rare in the day
So... That really only leaves us with Rafiq or a sorcery. None of the legendary lands, enchantments and artifacts are knight relevant enough to fall into this space. Planeswalkers are out. And I doubt they'd elevate a non-knight related instant to mythic status. Fans would revolt!
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Also; for the rares:
Mythics: Rafiq, Bogardan Hellkite? (Problem is, they are already darn near worthless, so having such low value mythics would be a turnoff. Hellkite overlord maybe? Jund v. Bant would be fun. (Although the storyline quote makes me think it'll be monored.)
If they loved us (which they don't) they'd make zodiac dragon the mythic.
160 dollar card FTW. But yeah, thats as unlikely as... anything. Thunder dragon would also be amazing. Actually, my hopes are on thunder dragon now. A guy can dream.
Rares:
hunted dragon, Goblin Assault?, Some dragon with Devour X, another generic and pretty bad dragon.
Knights: Exemplar, ??? (need to know if bant colors or not)
Anyway, I have trouble seeing how the knight deck could possibly hope to beat the dragon deck unless it splashes angels or some other fliers.
As soon as the first dragon hits its GG due to the lack of good knights with flying, right?
Unless the deck has like 2x PtE in it, DOJ and several other anti-damage effects, the dragon deck just needs to defend with goblins till like t5 and then stomp the hell out of the knights. (barring a splash, as stated)
Yeah, when it comes to knights, the only truely Mythic caliber one is Rafiq.
Additionally, Rafiq is a very popular EDH general, and the Duel Decks are liked by the EDH crowd due to alt arts and staple commons/uncommons.
With those combined, I can't see how Rafiq couldn't be in.
I can easily see how he couldn't be in it.
He's exalted.
That's what boggles me about everyone speculating these Alaran knights, they mostly all have exalted as their primary mechanic... which just doesn't seem like something they'd use to build around in a Duel Deck.
I expect knight tribal and some protection all around on the knight side, probably a touch of first strike as well, but Exalted is just about the last mechanic they'd put in a duel deck since it would likely be COMPLETELY wasted unless the entire deck was built around the mechanic.
The Knights could utilize a number of equipments or enchant creatures/umbras to keep them powered up even post dragon assault. It'll help the Knights be less obv-weenie and more based in the mid range which will help the Goblins get in some early shots, Knights start to take over, and then begin to struggle as the Dragons show up in the late game.
Ooooo this should be fun. I can't wait to see what sorts of knights will be in this one and what new artwork will be included! Tivadar of Thornperhaps? I would be nice to see him with the knight creaturetype actually printed on his card. And he does have protection from red and a goblin killing ability. Wonder what non-creature cards it will include? I can't see it without SunLance. Nothing says "knight" like a lance. Plus they don't even need to change the artwork. It's shooting down a drake in the card! Probably Pentarch Paladin to still have a chance if the rush doesn't work out. Yeah, Exemplar and Kinsbale Cavalier are shoo-ins Thats about all the support knights have. Pariah maybe? It does have that Knight related flavor text in 7th edition. One would expect Crusade except that it was in the Elspeth deck.
I can't really think of any real Mythic rare knight cards. Sun Titan looked pretty knightly but isn't one. Elspeth is a knight but she's already got a duel deck. Rafiq seems like too narrow a mechanic to use. Pentarch Paladin could almost be Mythic Rare but isn't. Though that didn't stop Pit Feind or whatever the one from Divine vs Demonic was. Maybe it'll be a new card? That would be cool!
I can easily see how he couldn't be in it.
He's exalted.
That's what boggles me about everyone speculating these Alaran knights, they mostly all have exalted as their primary mechanic... which just doesn't seem like something they'd use to build around in a Duel Deck.
I expect knight tribal and some protection all around on the knight side, probably a touch of first strike as well, but Exalted is just about the last mechanic they'd put in a duel deck since it would likely be COMPLETELY wasted unless the entire deck was built around the mechanic.
The Coalition deck was based around Domain, so I can't see why it's not possible for the knight deck to have a strong Exalted theme. Flavourfully, Exalted goes hand in hand with knights.
I cannot see Stillmoon being included in the knight deck. Black doesn't exactly go along with the "valor" theme the spoiler hints at. Pro-red knights wouldn't be fair against the dragon deck since the goblins are early drops. I could see Predator Dragon in the dragon deck While I could also see Exalted creatures in the knight deck, maybe Akrasan Squire or Sigiled Paladin? As for Bant colors, eh I guess that would be cool if the knight deck isn't mono white? But, GW doesn't exactly have the same purity level of mono white and knights being holy crusaders and all. *shrugs*
This sounds like fun... and fun only I dont think this will have high valuables in it.
who knows, this will be out in April 2011, so there are 2 more sets to come (correct me if I'm mistaken) before it, so it might use some power cards from those.
Turns out, there are only two legendary Knights that are Mono-White: Sidar Jabari (Reserved) and Tivadar of Thorn. And with the Dragons playing with a Goblin sub-theme, I'm gonna bet Tivadar's in the set.
And I bet Hunted Dragon is in the deck with a great probability of Waylay just for the nostalgia feel.
Also, I want Kokusho, the Evening Star to make a comeback; kamigawa dragons were the titans of the past.
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They are reprinting dragons, so I dont see why they cant reprint a knight like Elspeth, Knight Errant at Mythic. Also, they could fill the other mythic spot with Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker.
I wish my 4/4s with haste and first strike that acted as Goblin Warchiefs were better and didn't die to instants and overshadowed all other 4 drops in the format. And that they had evasion too, and some way to dodge wrath effects.
Pentarch Paladin, I agree with whoever said it b/c it isn't pure hate
They probably will keep it basic this time. Voracious and Predator, maybe Clearcutters and Tinderwall like 1996 flavor. Oh yeah, bad ideas- Knight of Dawn, Rashida, Zirilan, Dragonstalker, and any other pure hoser.
Still leaves Z. Commander, Sun Web/Soulbound Guardians, Reprisal as a 1-of, and I like to see Thunder Dragon but its too good here.
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They'll probably make it as slow as Angels/Demons. Think Furnace Whelp, Hellkite Hatchling, Devour vs Flanking and Weenies with tricks favoring white. Lightwielder with pump or evasion seems too good if dragons don't get Flame Slash.
Knight Cpt for stalling is terrible, but how else can ground 2/2's handle Flying 4/4's (if not larger). They might surprise us and throw 3 or more white kill/pascify effects and more than 4x 6cc dragons.
If they chose b/r Dragons, Pentarch is something I'd bet money on. Then they can have Bladewing the Risen vs Sidar and I'll hate this thing. That'll be Gustcloak Cavalier, Champion Lancer, and Cavalry Master vs Bladewing Thrall, Dragon Fodder, sac creature for mana effects and featherlight burn/terrors. Scourge vs Time Spiral, sprinkle Mirage and suitable Alara.
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Mono Red Dragons because they're already a plethora of red dragons and dragon themed spells to choose from in red. Then you throw in goblin support? And you've just too much to tap into for red to try and fit in anything else.
If it's Bant coloured Knights, I'm excited for it. But if its just Red Vs. White, then I can't be too excited about that considering we already had a mono white DD recently, and it would pretty much guarantee that we won't be getting an Ajani DD anytime soon because three mono whites in a row would be just ridiculous.
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We did get 3 mono black DDs in a row (Demonic, Liliana, and Phyrexia) so it's not impossible that we'll see three mono white decks. But as previously mentioned, there aren't many options for a mythic rare if the knight deck is mono white. Unless it's Baneslayer, which would be SO sweet (and equally as unlikely )
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How dare they use fantasy cliche!They act like its a fantasy based game. Fantastic 4 vs Galactus DD would've made more sense.
Moving on...
It going to be mono W vs Mono R.None of this mutilcolor foolishness.Coaltion vs Phyrexia was a special thing.
Hunted Dragon is a no brainer.Though i hope they dont push it to mythic.
I dont see Silver Knight being in it since they avoid things like that in DD.Though red has Flaring Pain & Unstable Footing to deal with it.
If is in,expect to only see few of the flying knights as to give time for the dragons to take wing.
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There are quite a few legendary dragons out there that could get bumped up to mythic status to be the foil mythic rare rather than it being a sorcery or enchantment. There's no reason why we couldn't have an elder dragon from the original Legends series as the mythic. We potentially could have seen any of the Invasion or Planar Chaos dragons become mythics but this is unlikely now because we saw 3 of these as rares not mythics in the DD:PvC.
Out of the 28 legendary dragons: 5 are Elders, 10 make up the tricolour ones with abilities that can be activated on combat damage, 5 are Kamigawa Spirit Dragons which seem a bit unlikely and we are left with 8 others...
Malfegor - Too situational and he's also a demon
Tarox Bladewing - Lovely card but Grandeur would be wasted with only one in the deck
Rorix Bladewing - Already printed as a rare in Planechase
Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund - Very good potential
Scion of the Ur-Dragon - A very viable option
Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon - Too new and poison related
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind - Okish potential but I somehow don't see a clasical dragon deck being UR
Bladewing the Risen - Very good potential
However, I believe that Scion of the Ur-Dragon could have that potential status if Wizards wanted to try and build a unique (non mono R, non RG dragon deck. Then the Dragonsoul Knight can be chucked in for extra lols.
Otherwise we are left with an elder, Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund or Bladewing the Risen.
Looking at a list of potentials for the knight mythic rare brings up the following legendary knights:
Adun Oakenshield - Reserved List
Haakon, Stromgald Scourge - Potential to open up a WB knight deck
Ihsan's Shade - Fixed by Oracle to be a Shade Knight but he hardly seems mythic
Jerrard of the Closed Fist - Vanilla RG Knight? Ewww
Márton Stromgald - This guy has potential apart from being very severely out of the normal colour pie for knights but he is also on the Reserved List
Rafiq of the Many - The strongest candidate that has already been printed as mythic
Sidar Jabari - A ok candidate since it will tap down pesky dragons but is on the Reserved List
Sir Shandlar of Eberyn - As with many Legends legends, another vanilla knight even though the colours are better GW
Telim'Tor - Another not bad knight but off colour and on the Reserved List
Tivadar of Thorn - An ok-ish card if the dragons end up having goblins until they ramp but still not mythic material. I recall this being a junk-ish rare in the day
So... That really only leaves us with Rafiq or a sorcery. None of the legendary lands, enchantments and artifacts are knight relevant enough to fall into this space. Planeswalkers are out. And I doubt they'd elevate a non-knight related instant to mythic status. Fans would revolt!
There's my analysis of the foil mythic options.
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Also; for the rares:
Mythics: Rafiq, Bogardan Hellkite? (Problem is, they are already darn near worthless, so having such low value mythics would be a turnoff. Hellkite overlord maybe? Jund v. Bant would be fun. (Although the storyline quote makes me think it'll be monored.)
If they loved us (which they don't) they'd make zodiac dragon the mythic.
160 dollar card FTW. But yeah, thats as unlikely as... anything. Thunder dragon would also be amazing. Actually, my hopes are on thunder dragon now. A guy can dream.
Rares:
hunted dragon, Goblin Assault?, Some dragon with Devour X, another generic and pretty bad dragon.
Knights: Exemplar, ??? (need to know if bant colors or not)
Anyway, I have trouble seeing how the knight deck could possibly hope to beat the dragon deck unless it splashes angels or some other fliers.
As soon as the first dragon hits its GG due to the lack of good knights with flying, right?
Unless the deck has like 2x PtE in it, DOJ and several other anti-damage effects, the dragon deck just needs to defend with goblins till like t5 and then stomp the hell out of the knights. (barring a splash, as stated)
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Additionally, Rafiq is a very popular EDH general, and the Duel Decks are liked by the EDH crowd due to alt arts and staple commons/uncommons.
With those combined, I can't see how Rafiq couldn't be in.
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I can easily see how he couldn't be in it.
He's exalted.
That's what boggles me about everyone speculating these Alaran knights, they mostly all have exalted as their primary mechanic... which just doesn't seem like something they'd use to build around in a Duel Deck.
I expect knight tribal and some protection all around on the knight side, probably a touch of first strike as well, but Exalted is just about the last mechanic they'd put in a duel deck since it would likely be COMPLETELY wasted unless the entire deck was built around the mechanic.
I can't really think of any real Mythic rare knight cards. Sun Titan looked pretty knightly but isn't one. Elspeth is a knight but she's already got a duel deck. Rafiq seems like too narrow a mechanic to use. Pentarch Paladin could almost be Mythic Rare but isn't. Though that didn't stop Pit Feind or whatever the one from Divine vs Demonic was. Maybe it'll be a new card? That would be cool!
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The Coalition deck was based around Domain, so I can't see why it's not possible for the knight deck to have a strong Exalted theme. Flavourfully, Exalted goes hand in hand with knights.
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who knows, this will be out in April 2011, so there are 2 more sets to come (correct me if I'm mistaken) before it, so it might use some power cards from those.
Also, I'm sure the dragon deck will have both Hunted Dragon and Pyroclasm.
And I bet Hunted Dragon is in the deck with a great probability of Waylay just for the nostalgia feel.
Also, I want Kokusho, the Evening Star to make a comeback; kamigawa dragons were the titans of the past.
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Pentarch Paladin, I agree with whoever said it b/c it isn't pure hate
They probably will keep it basic this time. Voracious and Predator, maybe Clearcutters and Tinderwall like 1996 flavor. Oh yeah, bad ideas- Knight of Dawn, Rashida, Zirilan, Dragonstalker, and any other pure hoser.
Still leaves Z. Commander, Sun Web/Soulbound Guardians, Reprisal as a 1-of, and I like to see Thunder Dragon but its too good here.
Knights - Mono
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They'll probably make it as slow as Angels/Demons. Think Furnace Whelp, Hellkite Hatchling, Devour vs Flanking and Weenies with tricks favoring white. Lightwielder with pump or evasion seems too good if dragons don't get Flame Slash.
Knight Cpt for stalling is terrible, but how else can ground 2/2's handle Flying 4/4's (if not larger). They might surprise us and throw 3 or more white kill/pascify effects and more than 4x 6cc dragons.
If they chose b/r Dragons, Pentarch is something I'd bet money on. Then they can have Bladewing the Risen vs Sidar and I'll hate this thing. That'll be Gustcloak Cavalier, Champion Lancer, and Cavalry Master vs Bladewing Thrall, Dragon Fodder, sac creature for mana effects and featherlight burn/terrors. Scourge vs Time Spiral, sprinkle Mirage and suitable Alara.
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