The two Elspeths are a great thesis on women in general. When you first meet one, she costs a decent amount to attract, makes you stronger and gives you the feeling that you're flying. She also goes to great lengths to protect her loved ones from harm. After a while, she gets more expensive to maintain, gives birth like a sow, becomes less loyal after doing so, and tops it all off by wrecking crap around the house. Except hers, of course.
Why did Wizards feel the need to change the name of a format they didn't create. Also, isn't there a format already called Commander or am I thinking of General?
I like the EDH specific products however, wonder if any of them will show up in Vintage/Legacy.
Legal issues over the name Highlander. Commander was the MTGO name because of the word Highlander.
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My friends and I were already using two copies of a general commander. One in the same sleave just in case it get's condemned or bant charmed into the pile and one in a pimp sleave that just sits there with a general commander damage counter and re-cast die on it.
I really don't like that they're letting the existing people keep control of the rules. I don't have anything against them personally, but the rules could use some improvement. Random banning of generals like Thelon of Havenwood is probably the worst example, but what you bring up is another one. There should be a rule which does not permit a general to be in a hidden zone. This would allow you to use just an oversized general card without needing a second copy.
This is totally, totally awesome. I'm a little bit worried about what the availability on the product-specific cards is going to look like a few years down the road, but I'm still really amped.
I know I'm in a minority, but I'm actually kind of happy with the name change. "Elder Dragon Highlander" has always been a little on the silly side for my tastes. It sort of sounds like the change was probably motivated more by boring legal and marketing concerns than the actual tastes of anyone involved with the development of the product. ("Highlander" as a format takes its name from another fantasy property; they've never really sold anything with that word on it before.) If they could sell something with the words "Elder Dragon Highlander" on it, I'm sure they would; that's what the format is known as.
There's one really BIG BAD thing about it all, something I've been worrying Wizards may start to do and hoped they never wouldn't - it's completely new tournament legal cards outside regular sets!
This has an ENORMOUS potential for abuse and if abused in future products it can be a change as painful as the mythic rarity!
Ofcourse if it's ALL just multiplayer only cards that suck in 1vs1 play then it's all fine (at the beginning mythics were also done right, and when we got used to them they started abusing them) but just imagine... imagine what would happen if an entirely new card, one that happens to be a tournament staple, a must have 4-of, get's printed as an 1-of in a stupid limited edition boxed set that tournament players would normally just ignore. Suddenly that one card sells the entire product and multiples need to be opened per player. A nightmare...
Many other CCG's are doing it, I praised Wizards for not following them but it's over now. We as customers cannot do anything about it and if Wizards decide they want to abuse this new tech they will.
I'd be really surprised if there were only oversized Gener- erm, Commanders in wedge colors. I'd much rather each deck got one of the new wedge Commanders and two already-printed generals with large followings in oversized format.
Also, as a guy that pretty much only ever plays in Esper colors out of lack of interest in Green and Red's philosophies, I'm kinda bugged that all five of the decks will be wedge-colored. Any Green or Red cards in the packs will be useless to me, and even the 30 rares/mythics in the release will just sit in my rare binder... plus this spoils any possibility of the release having an alt-art Sharuum.
But hey, the WUR and UBG decks might be packed with enough stuff to be worth a buy...
I know I'm in a minority, but I'm actually kind of happy with the name change. "Elder Dragon Highlander" has always been a little on the silly side for my tastes.
Agreed. You'll note that neither Wizards nor the committee ever actually said "Elder Dragon Highlander". It's sort of like DCI - one of those acronyms that was best never expanded.
Also, am I the only one who's weirded out by them printing completely new, tournament-legal cards in something other than an actual set? They haven't done that for ages.
This is all good news (well, except the part where I'll see 3 or 4 new cards I'd really like for my EDH Commander deck, and they're all in different precons :().
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I've been playing since 5th Ed. and this is the most exciting announcement I've ever heard. They exceeded my expectations in every way. (Except the name-change, of course, but whatcha gonna do?)
The only potential problem I can foresee is someone building a legacy deck around one of the exclusive cards a few months/years down the road. The price would SOAR. I'm sure it's unlikely given the multiplayer nature of the new cards, but something could slip through the cracks...
Why did Wizards feel the need to change the name of a format they didn't create.
Because the Elder Dragons have nothing to do with the format anymore (no one uses them as generals) and Highlander is someone else's trademark, so they couldn't very well use it as part of the name of a product they released. If they were going to produce this product (and I'm glad they did, because it sounds incredibly great) they had to call it something different.
The only potential problem I can foresee is someone building a legacy deck around one of the exclusive cards a few months/years down the road. The price would SOAR. I'm sure it's unlikely given the multiplayer nature of the new cards, but something could slip through the cracks...
This. I'm hoping that all of these new Legacy/Vintage cards are just goofy, high-costed, fun multiplayer cards and they don't end up being neccesary for a grip of competitive legacy decks...
On the brightside I'm pretty excited about the news otherwise. Some new cards to play with, some love for multiplayer/EDH.
There's one really BIG BAD thing about it all, something I've been worrying Wizards may start to do and hoped they never wouldn't - it's completely new tournament legal cards outside regular sets!
It needed to be tested eventually. The instability of Standard has driven a lot of people to eternal formats, and eternal format players tend to buy cards as singles instead of buying boosters. WotC needed to come up with some sort of product that would be attractive to eternal format players, and this seems to be it.
Because the Elder Dragons have nothing to do with the format anymore (no one uses them as generals) and Highlander is someone else's trademark, so they couldn't very well use it as part of the name of a product they released. If they were going to produce this product (and I'm glad they did, because it sounds incredibly great) they had to call it something different.
They could probably have still called it EDH and came up with something else for the E, D, and H to stand for.
Why did Wizards feel the need to change the name of a format they didn't create. Also, isn't there a format already called Commander or am I thinking of General?
The only other format that I can recall would be Emperor, that is unless "General" is the same thing...
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To be fair, people said that nobody would "exile" creatures from the "battlefield" when the M10 changes were announced, and now I have a hard time even thinking about what post-M10 cards would read like if things were still removed from the game or came into play.
They could probably have still called it EDH and came up with something else for the E, D, and H to stand for.
Erp Derp and Herp come to mind.
Honestly though, great changes. It makes perfect sense both practically and legally (likely the most important reason). I think some people are failing to see that this is the same reason why it had always had this name on MTGO.
I don't think anyone could have realistically expected news this good.
Pretty much. New generals is about thirty times better than I had even the slightest inkling about here.
I'd expect some of the nervous nellies from the pre-announcement thread feel a bit silly now that we've had an announcement that will bring all the benefits of WotC attention (new cards, fancy products, explicit marketing of the format) and none of the drawbacks (weird changes to how the rules are managed, shoehorning the format into a sanctioning system that it isn't suited to.)
To be fair, people said that nobody would "exile" creatures from the "battlefield" when the M10 changes were announced, and now I have a hard time even thinking about what post-M10 cards would read like if things were still removed from the game or came into play.
The main reason I say "exile" is because saying "remove from the game" is long and kludgy. I still say things like "in play" or "comes into play" or "at end of turn" because they're simpler and generally shorter than their new counterparts.
"Commander" and "EDH" each being 3 syllables to say, might as well defer to the new name.
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Amazing move, Wizards. Kudos.
(is also secretly waiting to see RWB Gener-- Commanders)
Legal issues over the name Highlander. Commander was the MTGO name because of the word Highlander.
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Standard: Jeskai Tempo
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Pauper: Mono-U Delver
EDH: Ghave, Token Master
I really don't like that they're letting the existing people keep control of the rules. I don't have anything against them personally, but the rules could use some improvement. Random banning of generals like Thelon of Havenwood is probably the worst example, but what you bring up is another one. There should be a rule which does not permit a general to be in a hidden zone. This would allow you to use just an oversized general card without needing a second copy.
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I know I'm in a minority, but I'm actually kind of happy with the name change. "Elder Dragon Highlander" has always been a little on the silly side for my tastes. It sort of sounds like the change was probably motivated more by boring legal and marketing concerns than the actual tastes of anyone involved with the development of the product. ("Highlander" as a format takes its name from another fantasy property; they've never really sold anything with that word on it before.) If they could sell something with the words "Elder Dragon Highlander" on it, I'm sure they would; that's what the format is known as.
This has an ENORMOUS potential for abuse and if abused in future products it can be a change as painful as the mythic rarity!
Ofcourse if it's ALL just multiplayer only cards that suck in 1vs1 play then it's all fine (at the beginning mythics were also done right, and when we got used to them they started abusing them) but just imagine... imagine what would happen if an entirely new card, one that happens to be a tournament staple, a must have 4-of, get's printed as an 1-of in a stupid limited edition boxed set that tournament players would normally just ignore. Suddenly that one card sells the entire product and multiples need to be opened per player. A nightmare...
Many other CCG's are doing it, I praised Wizards for not following them but it's over now. We as customers cannot do anything about it and if Wizards decide they want to abuse this new tech they will.
Also, as a guy that pretty much only ever plays in Esper colors out of lack of interest in Green and Red's philosophies, I'm kinda bugged that all five of the decks will be wedge-colored. Any Green or Red cards in the packs will be useless to me, and even the 30 rares/mythics in the release will just sit in my rare binder... plus this spoils any possibility of the release having an alt-art Sharuum.
But hey, the WUR and UBG decks might be packed with enough stuff to be worth a buy...
Agreed. You'll note that neither Wizards nor the committee ever actually said "Elder Dragon Highlander". It's sort of like DCI - one of those acronyms that was best never expanded.
Also, am I the only one who's weirded out by them printing completely new, tournament-legal cards in something other than an actual set? They haven't done that for ages.
EDHCommander deck, and they're all in different precons :().Lol at their update page:
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The only potential problem I can foresee is someone building a legacy deck around one of the exclusive cards a few months/years down the road. The price would SOAR. I'm sure it's unlikely given the multiplayer nature of the new cards, but something could slip through the cracks...
Because the Elder Dragons have nothing to do with the format anymore (no one uses them as generals) and Highlander is someone else's trademark, so they couldn't very well use it as part of the name of a product they released. If they were going to produce this product (and I'm glad they did, because it sounds incredibly great) they had to call it something different.
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This. I'm hoping that all of these new Legacy/Vintage cards are just goofy, high-costed, fun multiplayer cards and they don't end up being neccesary for a grip of competitive legacy decks...
On the brightside I'm pretty excited about the news otherwise. Some new cards to play with, some love for multiplayer/EDH.
Legacy:
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I'm already calling it commander and about 30 people in this thread already have.
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Well, I call it Commander already.
And so does Wizards.
And the
EDHCommander rules committee.Eventually it'll get to the point where people who insist on calling it "EDH" are as silly as people who insist on saying "Type 2" for Standard.
They could probably have still called it EDH and came up with something else for the E, D, and H to stand for.
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Yes, this is really, really awesome.
But I'm still calling it EDH.
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The only other format that I can recall would be Emperor, that is unless "General" is the same thing...
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To be fair, people said that nobody would "exile" creatures from the "battlefield" when the M10 changes were announced, and now I have a hard time even thinking about what post-M10 cards would read like if things were still removed from the game or came into play.
Erp Derp and Herp come to mind.
Honestly though, great changes. It makes perfect sense both practically and legally (likely the most important reason). I think some people are failing to see that this is the same reason why it had always had this name on MTGO.
They certainly could've, or they could've done what Valve did with DOTA 2 and just say it didn't stand for anything, but... they didn't.
Pretty much. New generals is about thirty times better than I had even the slightest inkling about here.
I'd expect some of the nervous nellies from the pre-announcement thread feel a bit silly now that we've had an announcement that will bring all the benefits of WotC attention (new cards, fancy products, explicit marketing of the format) and none of the drawbacks (weird changes to how the rules are managed, shoehorning the format into a sanctioning system that it isn't suited to.)
The main reason I say "exile" is because saying "remove from the game" is long and kludgy. I still say things like "in play" or "comes into play" or "at end of turn" because they're simpler and generally shorter than their new counterparts.
"Commander" and "EDH" each being 3 syllables to say, might as well defer to the new name.