I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
It won't, because when was the last time Mill was a viable strategy, let alone on a 5CC Planeswalker that can't protect itself? Knee-jerk reaction, much?
This. Mill is hardly viable, and he doesn't do anything to affect the board state at all. At best, sideboard tech against Valakut
It won't, because when was the last time Mill was a viable strategy, let alone on a 5CC Planeswalker that can't protect itself? Knee-jerk reaction, much?
No, not knee-jerk at all. Blue players will be desperate to keep their decks intact and viable, so he'll be highly sought-after. Plus, every Walker has come out and been valued at $40-$50 at the time fo release.
Lastly, with Gideon back, U/W will be tough cause Gideon running interference for Jace 3.0
I'm glad they're powering him down, and I hope they power ALL planeswalkers down. But, that's my bias showing... I've played Magic for since Fallen Empires, and I don't like Planeswalkers. They don't feel like Magic to me, for some reason. I wouldn't mind seeing a format where no planeswalkers go in viable decks, to be perfectly honest.
Boo for lack of creativity. Only two mechanics (draw + mill).
But keep in mind people, that the true power of Glimpse is using it on yourself. If this gets played, it will likely be for the self-mill, which combined with Flashback and other GY mechanics means effective card advantage.
looks like fun to me. interesting but without being good for absolutely everything. depending on what kind of flashbacks cards are coming down the pipe, this could be pretty damn good.
Now we get to watch everyone cry "OH NOES! TEH JACE IS HORRIBAD!", just like they did with the last Jace, before pros started using it, and exploded in price. Just like Jace2 gave out free Brainstorms, Jace3 gives out free Glimpses. If Innistrad is to be the Graveyard-matters set, this card will see lots of play.
5CMC is playable. If this Jace gets confirmed as is, I'm calling a Tier 1 UB recursion deck for Standard. Oh, and The Mimeoplasm EDH ftw.
Not very good, IMO. At cost 5, with 4 loyalty and without a way to protect himself, he'll get killed really fast. Especially considering Flashback will be back in Innistrad.
I also like to imagine that he has a rotating torso (like a metallic graft that fuses his upper and lower body together), so he can spin all around, leveling everything within 20ft of him to rubble.
Well, that and the fact that it has no way to protect itself.
No. That's a good thing. Planeswalkers are ridiculously strong. They don't need to be able to protect themselves by themselves and it's the way they've tended to go since SoM. I'm very glad that this is the case.
Not very good, IMO. At cost 5, with 4 loyalty and without a way to protect himself, he'll get killed really fast. Especially considering Flashback will be back in Innistrad.
Why does flashback coming back make him bad?
If anything that makes him BETTER as a engine to fill your graveyard with.
I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
Now we get to watch everyone cry "OH NOES! TEH JACE IS HORRIBAD!", just like they did with the last Jace, before pros started using it, and exploded in price. Just like Jace2 gave out free Brainstorms, Jace3 gives out free Glimpses. If Innistrad is to be the Graveyard-matters set, this card will see lots of play.
5CMC is playable. If this Jace gets confirmed as is, I'm calling a Tier 1 UB recursion deck for Standard. Oh, and The Mimeoplasm EDH ftw.
No. That's a good thing. Planeswalkers are ridiculously strong. They don't need to be able to protect themselves by themselves and it's the way they've tended to go since SoM. I'm very glad that this is the case.
Oh I don't disagree that it's good for balance purposes. Just saying it's bad from a power standpoint, because of that.
This card doesn't solve mill decks' primary problem, and that is board presence.
Really? Brainstorming for free every turn wasn't bad enough? Now for 1 more than JTMS you can Glimpse your opponent every turn for free? Yeah, this won't be pricey at all.....
I really dont know how viable mill will be, maybe it will be viable. All I know is I loved the old jace but I hate the new one. I do not care for alternate wins at all.
Loyalty 4 is too low for its cost, especially with +1 and 0 abilities. By the time you can cast it in this format you should be worried about it taking six damage from a Titan, or eating a burn spell plus a Grim Lavamancer activation.
I don't like it and what it implies about how WoTC continues to approach Planeswalker design. At best, it can create a sustainable source of card advantage your opponent can do nothing about. At worst, it's a five-mana cantrip and a fog for four or five life. Nowhere between these two scenarios does it generate tension, choice or player interaction outside of becoming a potential gimmick enabler for one of Innistrad's graveyard matters mechanics.
For that particular ability set, Jace, Memory Adept should've cost 2UU, started at three loyalty, milled for half as much as a +2 and offered card drawing and mill as a -X.
The second ability is "target player" not "target opponent". Ok, I'll have fun with this Jace as long as there's good ways to interact with your graveyard after you mill yourself, and if red isn't completely dominant enough in the future-- killing me before I land this this thing.
I don't understand why everyone is complaining. It says "+1: Draw a card." It would probably be perfectly playable with no other abilities, because your opponent has to spend his resources to deal it 5 damage while you sit back and relax.
I suppose at the very least he'll be a Limited bomb (mill your opponent in pretty much 3 activations of his 0 ability). Can't see him being that useful beyond that.
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No more than usual.
The only deck he would fit into really at the moment is as a wincon in a super defensive UW type deck with walls, vensers, gideon, and permission.
I forgot all about milling yourself with this..
Yeah, U/G Vengevine keeps looking better and better.
This. Mill is hardly viable, and he doesn't do anything to affect the board state at all. At best, sideboard tech against Valakut
No, not knee-jerk at all. Blue players will be desperate to keep their decks intact and viable, so he'll be highly sought-after. Plus, every Walker has come out and been valued at $40-$50 at the time fo release.
Lastly, with Gideon back, U/W will be tough cause Gideon running interference for Jace 3.0
But keep in mind people, that the true power of Glimpse is using it on yourself. If this gets played, it will likely be for the self-mill, which combined with Flashback and other GY mechanics means effective card advantage.
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Filling your hand with counterspells, unsummons, Wall of Frost, etc.
I like this Jace a lot.
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5CMC is playable. If this Jace gets confirmed as is, I'm calling a Tier 1 UB recursion deck for Standard. Oh, and The Mimeoplasm EDH ftw.
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Why does flashback coming back make him bad?
If anything that makes him BETTER as a engine to fill your graveyard with.
He only Glimpses opponents.
Oh I don't disagree that it's good for balance purposes. Just saying it's bad from a power standpoint, because of that.
This card doesn't solve mill decks' primary problem, and that is board presence.
I really dont know how viable mill will be, maybe it will be viable. All I know is I loved the old jace but I hate the new one. I do not care for alternate wins at all.
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I don't like it and what it implies about how WoTC continues to approach Planeswalker design. At best, it can create a sustainable source of card advantage your opponent can do nothing about. At worst, it's a five-mana cantrip and a fog for four or five life. Nowhere between these two scenarios does it generate tension, choice or player interaction outside of becoming a potential gimmick enabler for one of Innistrad's graveyard matters mechanics.
For that particular ability set, Jace, Memory Adept should've cost 2UU, started at three loyalty, milled for half as much as a +2 and offered card drawing and mill as a -X.
GG. I sure hope that new merfolk 'walker is good. -_-
standard
BU control
BG infect
modern:
mill
edh:
devour for power
Shizuko ramp