I believe that the so-called 'corrupted' version you mention of Sarkhan and Tezzeret have far more to do with now serving Bolas than they do being exposed to black mana in one form or another.
IE, Tezzeret's ressurection at the claws of Bolas, and Sarkhan's incremental loss of sanity following his dark inspiration upon meeting what is the multiverse's most uncontestedly powerful dragon. To be honest, it seems nothing and no one that directly serves Bolas can come away from it without the attitude of black mana.
Ambition, treachery, win-at-all-costs attitude? They now both have that, and it had nothing to do with any exposure to black mana. Rather, it has everything to do with the fact that anyone who doesn't have those traits whilst serving Bolas is dead sooner than those who don't, at those hands of those who do.
That's a motivation of mere survival, folks. Garruk isn't worrying about his own survival in a deadlier-than-normal atmosphere of do-or-die indenture, he's worrying about his own salvation, plain and simple, from an unwanted and seemingly difficult to repel curse that may or may not have taken complete control of him in any way. He's desperate. That's not a trait of black mana...
I agree with NytDragon. It's not like people just all of a sudden turn to another color. If any planeswalker is going to get the black treatment, it'll be Nissa, and all things point to her being dead in Zendikar.
As a point of interest, both Tezzeret and Sarkhan had one aspect of Nicol Bolas. If you look at his Planeswalker mana cost (:4mana::symu::symb::symb::symr:, for the record), You'll notice two black, and one of the other two colors. Now look at Agent of Bolas's and the Mad's mana cost (:2mana::symu::symb: and :3mana::symb::symr:, respectively), you'll notice that roughly combined, they create Nicol Bolas's mana cost (with a to spare). I don't foresee any more pawns of Bolas soon.
As a side note, hasn't it been confirmed that the Merfolk-chick is the new Planeswalker in Innistrad?
Well, i'm just going out on a limb here, but i think we won't see a new Garruk in Innistrad, but in "Rattle" Vess will maybe be in Innistrad and Kiora as well maybe even a 3rd. But hopefully Garruk will be back to G or even just miss B altogether and be G/W. But i'm far from an expert so this is all pretty much a huge guess
I think it's a given that we'll see Lilliana in one form or another in Innistrad, given that all we really know of the flavor of the plane is of a picture of her. I won't go as far as to say that she'll be in Innistrad-proper (as she very well could be printed in Rattle or Roll, sort of like how Karn was printed as the last Planeswalker in the Scars block, yet played a pretty big roll before then), but I will say that it's probably likely that she'll be in the set.
As for Kiora Atu (the Merfolk-chick that I mentioned before), I still think that she could very well be a new Planeswalker released in Innistrad, or possibly in Hook (which, now that I think about it, might be more apt, haha). The idea of Merfolks as a tribe before Lorwyn was sort of laughable, but have made serious strides in the past years, with Merfolk Sovereign, Merrow Commerce, Merrow Reejerey, Coralhelm Commander and Judge of Currents making having a lot of Merfolks worth it in the long run, and new Merfolks that have defined traits (mostly milling or card draw), it seems to me that they're now a defined tribe. One could make a pretty good mill/draw Merfolk deck that packs some punch. It would only make sense for Wizards to make a Merfolk Planeswalker, akin to Nissa (but hopefully with more flexability. Not going to lie, while she's great in my Elf deck, there's no other use for her).
When on earth did you start playing? Merfolk decks (courtesy of Lord of Atlantis) have been around forever.
Merfolk decks have been around, I suppose, but I've personally have never really seen any that were all that effective pre-Lorwyn.
What I meant was playing a strictly Merfolk deck, like one plays a Goblin deck or an Elf deck. Playing a Merfolk deck before Lorwyn seemed (to me, at least) akin to playing a Scarecrow deck. Sure, there's a Scarecrow lord (Reaper King, if you're interested), but no matter how much I tried, you really can't make a super-great Scarecrow deck.
I've been playing off and on since Kamigawa. I sort of skipped over Coldsnap and Time Spiral due to various reasons, but as far as I remember, they weren't really Merfolk heavy. I came back during Lorwyn, and have been playing ever since.
Any Garruk will be in "Rattle" as most 2nd planeswalker cards are in the Second Set (See Jace, Tezzeret...i guess Chandra doesnt really fit that does she...hm)
I believe he will be in rattle. Also, and ideas on the other 2 Walkers? We think Kiora, Lilliana and Garruk are in this set. Any other ideas?
I believe he will be in rattle. Also, and ideas on the other 2 Walkers? We think Kiora, Lilliana and Garruk are in this set. Any other ideas?
That's assuming that he'll be in Innistrad at all. I feel that he'll be in M12, which'll mean he'll be excluded from Innistrad.
I feel that Kiora and Lilliana will be in it, possibly being the first two Planeswalkers in the set (seeing as they seem to print off two Planeswalkers in the first set, then one for each other set in the block). Then the other two will probably be two new Planeswalkers.
Considering how many of the preview cards from m12 have Bloodthirst, I'm guessing that will carry over into Innistrad pretty well. It fits with the vampires and gothic theme, red creatures, even bloodthirsty green beasties.
Considering how many of the preview cards from m12 have Bloodthirst, I'm guessing that will carry over into Innistrad pretty well. It fits with the vampires and gothic theme, red creatures, even bloodthirsty green beasties.
I wouldn't bet on that. Scry was in M11, yet Scars block had scry on exactly zero cards.
Then have him eat Nicol Bolas and the Magic universe can be awesome again. He takes over the Infinite Consortium and turns it into a trans-multiverse Izzet League. His agents scour the multiverse in Venser's planeships looking for magic to learn, technology to improve upon, and less intelligent people to condescend to.
Considering how many of the preview cards from m12 have Bloodthirst, I'm guessing that will carry over into Innistrad pretty well. It fits with the vampires and gothic theme, red creatures, even bloodthirsty green beasties.
I think it is more telling, that they are reprinting the Sengir Vampire myself
I'm wondering if they'll do a new vampire lord or just reintroduce one of the older ones. There seems to be a lot of player demand for Nocturnus to return, and he was fun to battle against.
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I wouldn't bet on that. Scry was in M11, yet Scars block had scry on exactly zero cards.
M11 has exactly 5 cards with scry on it out a total 234 cards...yet from the 15 cards we've seen for m12 so far, 5 have bloodthirst including a splashy mythic rare dragon and multiple vampires which would seem to fit with Liliana and a gothic horror set. I wouldn't count it out of being in innistrad yet.
just curious, why do you think that Kiora will be in INN?
Because the Creative time isn't going to waste their time inventing new PW characters they have no intention of using and INN, like all blocks preceding it since the introduction of PW cards, will assuredly have multiple new planeswalker characters introduced.
I wouldn't count it out of being in innistrad yet.
It 100% will not be in Innistrad. The #1 standard for picking the coreset returning mechanic (based on what we were told when they explained to us about scry last year) is that the mechanic they pick isn't being used in either of the upcoming two blocks and works well as a self-contained flavorful mechanic they can use on just a few cards.
Is it really baseless speculation if it's common sense?
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When Brian Tinsman, Set Designer enters the battlefield, ignore all flavor and mechanics of the first two sets in the block. "Ok so what do we have here... gothic horror? Scrap it. Expand the Devine Vs. Demonic duel deck to 244 cards and print it!"
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How do we know it's a dark block? Maybe the second and third sets are super-happy. Maybe the story has a positive ending that occurs relatively early, instead of this morbid crap we've gotten since.......Lorwyn? I mean, Rav and TS blocks had a pretty random feel, but everything after kinda went "Well, things will get darker, worse, and the good guys won't win."
Of course, your point could be correct since I always put little faith into MaRo and whoever else designs this stuff. Except LaPille--he seems like a cool dude.
i dont think nissa will be back without sorin since she holds a hates him
She doesn't hate Sorin. She was a jerk to him to begin with for being non-elf, then when she learned he was a vampire, she despised him, and because not trusting his advice, she basically caused the liberation of the Eldrazi. If any, I think now she's apologetic to him, especially since travelling to Lorwyn and becoming more open to the use of black mana thanks to the elfs there. I do agree, though, that their fates are intertwined now, like Garruk and Liliana's, Chandra and Jace.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
so baseless speculation which is against the rules in here, i see
Baseless speculation is making wild guesses based on nothing and is strongly discouraged. Supported speculation in which historical evidence is leveraged to create plausible theories about future events is generally welcomed.
In this case, the idea that a new PW character introduced in D12 will appear as one of the new characters in the upcoming block is a very reasonable supposition, given how Nissa's appearance in D10 worked out. It's not proven, or confirmed, but in terms of assumptions about the future it's not a bad choice, especially compared to the quite implausible idea that the character won't be appearing in a future set at all.
considering that the only thing about her what we know is that shes the master of fish and has a UG-deck in DotP, no its not common sense to think that she will appear in some kind of dark block
Which we have NO reason to believe INN will be a totally dark block. We have ONE picture and ONE tagline. Taglines are worthless for the most part... By this logic, M12 will be full of Ally reprints thanks to "Gather Your Allies."
Which we have NO reason to believe INN will be a totally dark block. We have ONE picture and ONE tagline. Taglines are worthless for the most part... By this logic, M12 will be full of Ally reprints thanks to "Gather Your Allies."
This, or he will free himself from his curse and still be G. Thats still a possibility
IE, Tezzeret's ressurection at the claws of Bolas, and Sarkhan's incremental loss of sanity following his dark inspiration upon meeting what is the multiverse's most uncontestedly powerful dragon. To be honest, it seems nothing and no one that directly serves Bolas can come away from it without the attitude of black mana.
Ambition, treachery, win-at-all-costs attitude? They now both have that, and it had nothing to do with any exposure to black mana. Rather, it has everything to do with the fact that anyone who doesn't have those traits whilst serving Bolas is dead sooner than those who don't, at those hands of those who do.
That's a motivation of mere survival, folks. Garruk isn't worrying about his own survival in a deadlier-than-normal atmosphere of do-or-die indenture, he's worrying about his own salvation, plain and simple, from an unwanted and seemingly difficult to repel curse that may or may not have taken complete control of him in any way. He's desperate. That's not a trait of black mana...
As a point of interest, both Tezzeret and Sarkhan had one aspect of Nicol Bolas. If you look at his Planeswalker mana cost (:4mana::symu::symb::symb::symr:, for the record), You'll notice two black, and one of the other two colors. Now look at Agent of Bolas's and the Mad's mana cost (:2mana::symu::symb: and :3mana::symb::symr:, respectively), you'll notice that roughly combined, they create Nicol Bolas's mana cost (with a to spare). I don't foresee any more pawns of Bolas soon.
As a side note, hasn't it been confirmed that the Merfolk-chick is the new Planeswalker in Innistrad?
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As for Kiora Atu (the Merfolk-chick that I mentioned before), I still think that she could very well be a new Planeswalker released in Innistrad, or possibly in Hook (which, now that I think about it, might be more apt, haha). The idea of Merfolks as a tribe before Lorwyn was sort of laughable, but have made serious strides in the past years, with Merfolk Sovereign, Merrow Commerce, Merrow Reejerey, Coralhelm Commander and Judge of Currents making having a lot of Merfolks worth it in the long run, and new Merfolks that have defined traits (mostly milling or card draw), it seems to me that they're now a defined tribe. One could make a pretty good mill/draw Merfolk deck that packs some punch. It would only make sense for Wizards to make a Merfolk Planeswalker, akin to Nissa (but hopefully with more flexability. Not going to lie, while she's great in my Elf deck, there's no other use for her).
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Goblins (Modern)
When on earth did you start playing? Merfolk decks (courtesy of Lord of Atlantis) have been around forever.
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Merfolk decks have been around, I suppose, but I've personally have never really seen any that were all that effective pre-Lorwyn.
What I meant was playing a strictly Merfolk deck, like one plays a Goblin deck or an Elf deck. Playing a Merfolk deck before Lorwyn seemed (to me, at least) akin to playing a Scarecrow deck. Sure, there's a Scarecrow lord (Reaper King, if you're interested), but no matter how much I tried, you really can't make a super-great Scarecrow deck.
I've been playing off and on since Kamigawa. I sort of skipped over Coldsnap and Time Spiral due to various reasons, but as far as I remember, they weren't really Merfolk heavy. I came back during Lorwyn, and have been playing ever since.
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:symu::symr: Noggles (Modern)
Goblins (Modern)
I believe he will be in rattle. Also, and ideas on the other 2 Walkers? We think Kiora, Lilliana and Garruk are in this set. Any other ideas?
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That's assuming that he'll be in Innistrad at all. I feel that he'll be in M12, which'll mean he'll be excluded from Innistrad.
I feel that Kiora and Lilliana will be in it, possibly being the first two Planeswalkers in the set (seeing as they seem to print off two Planeswalkers in the first set, then one for each other set in the block). Then the other two will probably be two new Planeswalkers.
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Goblins (Modern)
I wouldn't bet on that. Scry was in M11, yet Scars block had scry on exactly zero cards.
I think it is more telling, that they are reprinting the Sengir Vampire myself
M11 has exactly 5 cards with scry on it out a total 234 cards...yet from the 15 cards we've seen for m12 so far, 5 have bloodthirst including a splashy mythic rare dragon and multiple vampires which would seem to fit with Liliana and a gothic horror set. I wouldn't count it out of being in innistrad yet.
cause they're keepin that ☺☺☺☺ under wraps yo
Err... which things, exactly?
Fish has actually been an eternal-format staple archetype for like over ten years now.
Because the Creative time isn't going to waste their time inventing new PW characters they have no intention of using and INN, like all blocks preceding it since the introduction of PW cards, will assuredly have multiple new planeswalker characters introduced.
It 100% will not be in Innistrad. The #1 standard for picking the coreset returning mechanic (based on what we were told when they explained to us about scry last year) is that the mechanic they pick isn't being used in either of the upcoming two blocks and works well as a self-contained flavorful mechanic they can use on just a few cards.
Legendary Creature – Human Designer (MR)
Brian Tinsman, Set Designer can only be cast during the third set of a block.
When Brian Tinsman, Set Designer enters the battlefield, ignore all flavor and mechanics of the first two sets in the block.
"Ok so what do we have here... gothic horror? Scrap it. Expand the Devine Vs. Demonic duel deck to 244 cards and print it!"
2/2
Of course, your point could be correct since I always put little faith into MaRo and whoever else designs this stuff. Except LaPille--he seems like a cool dude.
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She doesn't hate Sorin. She was a jerk to him to begin with for being non-elf, then when she learned he was a vampire, she despised him, and because not trusting his advice, she basically caused the liberation of the Eldrazi. If any, I think now she's apologetic to him, especially since travelling to Lorwyn and becoming more open to the use of black mana thanks to the elfs there. I do agree, though, that their fates are intertwined now, like Garruk and Liliana's, Chandra and Jace.
Baseless speculation is making wild guesses based on nothing and is strongly discouraged. Supported speculation in which historical evidence is leveraged to create plausible theories about future events is generally welcomed.
In this case, the idea that a new PW character introduced in D12 will appear as one of the new characters in the upcoming block is a very reasonable supposition, given how Nissa's appearance in D10 worked out. It's not proven, or confirmed, but in terms of assumptions about the future it's not a bad choice, especially compared to the quite implausible idea that the character won't be appearing in a future set at all.
Which we have NO reason to believe INN will be a totally dark block. We have ONE picture and ONE tagline. Taglines are worthless for the most part... By this logic, M12 will be full of Ally reprints thanks to "Gather Your Allies."
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naww, I think it'll be an all black block. come on, just look at that picture. How could you assume anything else.......