Which we have NO reason to believe INN will be a totally dark block. We have ONE picture and ONE tagline. Taglines are worthless for the most part... By this logic, M12 will be full of Ally reprints thanks to "Gather Your Allies."
Taglines aren't worthless: if nothing else, they are used to be an extremely brief summary of the set's tone and feel. It was chosen very deliberately for its purpose.
Same with the image chosen for the preview announcement. Using a picture that is a poor representation of the set is extremely stupid. And no "hur hur, but Wizards really is that stupid" arguments, that's gotten very old very quickly. When the marketing/branding department does something, it's going to be very deliberate. Using a preview image that doesn't give you a good idea of the set's tone is pointless and wasteful. The image and tagline chosen here were done for a very specific purpose, to tease at what the set contains and to whet people's interest and imagination.
Will Innistrad be totally bleak and dark? Who knows. But it will have a strongly dark and somber tone, even if there are bright spots within it.
Will Innistrad be totally bleak and dark? Who knows. But it will have a strongly dark and somber tone, even if there are bright spots within it.
That's a pretty apt description of The Dark. Which, I could see them doing something along those lines, where every color's given a bleak, grim feel. I mean, it's been long enough since The Dark, right?
Anyways, I agree Luminum. With Vess only now starting to realize she's gone bonkers, and her being in the art with at least one corpse - the guys in back may or may not be dead - that seems to be a good read of what little info we have at this time. That's what I was thinking, too. We'll see in time...
all black???? are you crazy? imagine how unfun that would be, the game would change its name to "black magic" or "defense against the dark arts trading card game" etc...that would suck
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that doesn't mean that all the cards will be black, that is against how the game works lol, what they're saying is that from the images we've seen the theme seems to be Gothic and dark.
all black???? are you crazy? imagine how unfun that would be, the game would change its name to "black magic" or "defense against the dark arts trading card game" etc...that would suck
I'm pretty sure the guy who told it'll be a 100% black set were joking or being sarcastic .-.
Also, we DO have other arts from the set from the DotP files and all of them seems kinda dark-ish to me.
That's a pretty apt description of The Dark. Which, I could see them doing something along those lines, where every color's given a bleak, grim feel. I mean, it's been long enough since The Dark, right?
Also, as someone who was around at the time, The Dark sucked. As we've learned, new players hate cards with significant drawbacks, and drawbacks has been one way they've historically gave a set a "dark" or "evil" feel.
Personally, I'm liking the speculation that the set will be more gothic/Victorian themed. It's a popular style they haven't really done seriously before.
Also, as someone who was around at the time, The Dark sucked. As we've learned, new players hate cards with significant drawbacks, and drawbacks has been one way they've historically gave a set a "dark" or "evil" feel.
Personally, I'm liking the speculation that the set will be more gothic/Victorian themed. It's a popular style they haven't really done seriously before.
I don't think so - there are a lot of black cards that have done just fine with drawbacks...sign in blood? Bitterblossom? Necropotence? Yawg's Bargain? And the phyrexian mana seems to also be working out just fine.
I think developers have learned a lot about how to make a set feel dark without making it suck in the past couple of years.
I don't think so - there are a lot of black cards that have done just fine with drawbacks...sign in blood? Bitterblossom? Necropotence? Yawg's Bargain? And the phyrexian mana seems to also be working out just fine.
I think developers have learned a lot about how to make a set feel dark without making it suck in the past couple of years.
The dark did suck though...lol.
back when it was first released the dark may have been ok or good it is hard to compare older sets to modern sets
Too true, not to mention Ravnica had several dark sides with the Dmir, Golgari, Rakdos, and Orzhov. I'm kinda getting sick of the whole "Evil and shadow block" idea. I'm still waiting for my Pirate Dinosaur adventure block that was supposed to be Zendikar.
Then compare The Dark to sets that came before it .. Beta, Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Revised, Legends .. all (mostly) awesome sets. Then ... The Dark. It was like they made cards worse than the good cards from previous sets, with terrible drawbacks that made them unplayable. It was the beginning of the power-level plummet that made me lose interest in Magic.
EDIT: personally, I'm hoping for a "happy ending" in Innistrad block. I'm getting kinda tired of the "doom and gloom" of recent blocks.
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Then compare The Dark to sets that came before it .. Beta, Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Revised, Legends .. all (mostly) awesome sets. Then ... The Dark. It was like they made cards worse than the good cards from previous sets, with terrible drawbacks that made them unplayable. It was the beginning of the power-level plummet that made me lose interest in Magic.
EDIT: personally, I'm hoping for a "happy ending" in Innistrad block. I'm getting kinda tired of the "doom and gloom" of recent blocks.
it seems there will be a bunch of doom and gloom endings to blocks setting up for a big war involving the bolas faction, new coalition, eldrazi and phyrexians
my big hope is a new more powerful sengir faction
Too true, not to mention Ravnica had several dark sides with the Dmir, Golgari, Rakdos, and Orzhov. I'm kinda getting sick of the whole "Evil and shadow block" idea. I'm still waiting for my Pirate Dinosaur adventure block that was supposed to be Zendikar.
I'm not sure if you noticed but one of the artworks for Innistrad cards recently revealled shows a character wearing what looks to be a cowboy hat. I'd like to see some "Western" theme in a storyline to be honest. I think that would be cool. Nothing too kooky like the Lorwyn/Aesop's Tales continuum. :barf:
Definitely a fan of the pirate theme though as you suggested. Minus the dinosaurs of course
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Also, as someone who was around at the time, The Dark sucked. As we've learned, new players hate cards with significant drawbacks, and drawbacks has been one way they've historically gave a set a "dark" or "evil" feel.
Personally, I'm liking the speculation that the set will be more gothic/Victorian themed. It's a popular style they haven't really done seriously before.
Not necessarily. NPH did a lot of evil cards without drawbacks, same for Shadowmoor -- which had one of the highest power levels yet.
Im thinking INN will be too similar to SHM, really.
Lots of dark chaotic factions warring, a one pristine and valiant refuge for the chaste and pure...
The difference is that if they start it out with that note, they can only screw things further in there.
So it either turns out alright, or big Eldrazi come whomping in and all hell breaks loose.
Not necessarily. NPH did a lot of evil cards without drawbacks, same for Shadowmoor -- which had one of the highest power levels yet.
Im thinking INN will be too similar to SHM, really.
Lots of dark chaotic factions warring, a one pristine and valiant refuge for the chaste and pure...
The difference is that if they start it out with that note, they can only screw things further in there.
So it either turns out alright, or big Eldrazi come whomping in and all hell breaks loose.
in b4 baron sengir dropkicks the eldrazi into next week.
i'm still convinced this is the retrn to ulgotha and homelands shenanigans.
Im thinking INN will be too similar to SHM, really.
Lots of dark chaotic factions warring, a one pristine and valiant refuge for the chaste and pure...
I doubt this. WOTC aren't idiots. They won't do a dark-toned set without making it distinct from the other dark-toned sets.
I'm thinking ISD will be sort of like Ravnica, for the factions aspect, as hinted by Skirsdag Cultist, and faction war, as hinted by the amphin.
On another note, it seems like WOTC is starting to bleed the Sept large set's tone into the sets preceding it, such as the core set. This would make sense imho, as a less indirect way to generate synergy, as well as giving core set design space a direction. The presence of Illusion tribal in M12 may hint to illusions in ISD, but either way, the presence of illusions is the non-presence of merfolks/wizards. (and i don't mean they aren't any in the coreset, i just mean there's less of them, since slots were used for a different tribe.) Ditto goes for the barbarians, etc.
So i think ISD will go after less common tribes that haven't been explored lately as the color's main tribe, like spirits, illusions, salamanders, etc. Could help make it distinct from the other dark-toned sets/other sets in general.
I like how in NPH they sorta made green the big "bad guy" and red the "good guys." Green was first to attack and red was the only color that felt compassion for the Mirrodins. I hope they continue that in Innistrad. Yes, we know black is evil. WE GET IT. Now show us some creativity on how other colors can be evil also. I loved Kamigawa and how White was the villain and Black was the protagonist. It was an interesting spin on flavor I would like to see more.
Also, as someone who was around at the time, The Dark sucked. As we've learned, new players hate cards with significant drawbacks, and drawbacks has been one way they've historically gave a set a "dark" or "evil" feel.
Personally, I'm liking the speculation that the set will be more gothic/Victorian themed. It's a popular style they haven't really done seriously before.
Well frankly, I loved The Dark. It propably was disappointing from a power-level perspective, but imho was a great set flavor-wise with many great and different artworks. In contrast to that, Fallen Empires sucked at power level and flavor. Good idea, terrible execution.
I'd be totally fine if they made a successor "in style" of The Dark...
Taglines aren't worthless: if nothing else, they are used to be an extremely brief summary of the set's tone and feel. It was chosen very deliberately for its purpose.
Same with the image chosen for the preview announcement. Using a picture that is a poor representation of the set is extremely stupid. And no "hur hur, but Wizards really is that stupid" arguments, that's gotten very old very quickly. When the marketing/branding department does something, it's going to be very deliberate. Using a preview image that doesn't give you a good idea of the set's tone is pointless and wasteful. The image and tagline chosen here were done for a very specific purpose, to tease at what the set contains and to whet people's interest and imagination.
Will Innistrad be totally bleak and dark? Who knows. But it will have a strongly dark and somber tone, even if there are bright spots within it.
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That's a pretty apt description of The Dark. Which, I could see them doing something along those lines, where every color's given a bleak, grim feel. I mean, it's been long enough since The Dark, right?
Anyways, I agree Luminum. With Vess only now starting to realize she's gone bonkers, and her being in the art with at least one corpse - the guys in back may or may not be dead - that seems to be a good read of what little info we have at this time. That's what I was thinking, too. We'll see in time...
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that doesn't mean that all the cards will be black, that is against how the game works lol, what they're saying is that from the images we've seen the theme seems to be Gothic and dark.
I'm pretty sure the guy who told it'll be a 100% black set were joking or being sarcastic .-.
Also, we DO have other arts from the set from the DotP files and all of them seems kinda dark-ish to me.
And i believe that Kiora won't be on INN.
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Yes, it has been.
Much less from Torment though.
A good deal shorter from Shadowmoor.
And a whole lot less from New Phyrexia.
Personally, I'm liking the speculation that the set will be more gothic/Victorian themed. It's a popular style they haven't really done seriously before.
I don't think so - there are a lot of black cards that have done just fine with drawbacks...sign in blood? Bitterblossom? Necropotence? Yawg's Bargain? And the phyrexian mana seems to also be working out just fine.
I think developers have learned a lot about how to make a set feel dark without making it suck in the past couple of years.
The dark did suck though...lol.
back when it was first released the dark may have been ok or good it is hard to compare older sets to modern sets
Too true, not to mention Ravnica had several dark sides with the Dmir, Golgari, Rakdos, and Orzhov. I'm kinda getting sick of the whole "Evil and shadow block" idea. I'm still waiting for my Pirate Dinosaur adventure block that was supposed to be Zendikar.
EDIT: personally, I'm hoping for a "happy ending" in Innistrad block. I'm getting kinda tired of the "doom and gloom" of recent blocks.
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it seems there will be a bunch of doom and gloom endings to blocks setting up for a big war involving the bolas faction, new coalition, eldrazi and phyrexians
my big hope is a new more powerful sengir faction
I'm not sure if you noticed but one of the artworks for Innistrad cards recently revealled shows a character wearing what looks to be a cowboy hat. I'd like to see some "Western" theme in a storyline to be honest. I think that would be cool. Nothing too kooky like the Lorwyn/Aesop's Tales continuum. :barf:
Definitely a fan of the pirate theme though as you suggested. Minus the dinosaurs of course
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THERE WERE TRICERATOPS IN WESTERN EUROPE?!
Not necessarily. NPH did a lot of evil cards without drawbacks, same for Shadowmoor -- which had one of the highest power levels yet.
Im thinking INN will be too similar to SHM, really.
Lots of dark chaotic factions warring, a one pristine and valiant refuge for the chaste and pure...
The difference is that if they start it out with that note, they can only screw things further in there.
So it either turns out alright, or big Eldrazi come whomping in and all hell breaks loose.
in b4 baron sengir dropkicks the eldrazi into next week.
i'm still convinced this is the retrn to ulgotha and homelands shenanigans.
I doubt this. WOTC aren't idiots. They won't do a dark-toned set without making it distinct from the other dark-toned sets.
I'm thinking ISD will be sort of like Ravnica, for the factions aspect, as hinted by Skirsdag Cultist, and faction war, as hinted by the amphin.
On another note, it seems like WOTC is starting to bleed the Sept large set's tone into the sets preceding it, such as the core set. This would make sense imho, as a less indirect way to generate synergy, as well as giving core set design space a direction. The presence of Illusion tribal in M12 may hint to illusions in ISD, but either way, the presence of illusions is the non-presence of merfolks/wizards. (and i don't mean they aren't any in the coreset, i just mean there's less of them, since slots were used for a different tribe.) Ditto goes for the barbarians, etc.
So i think ISD will go after less common tribes that haven't been explored lately as the color's main tribe, like spirits, illusions, salamanders, etc. Could help make it distinct from the other dark-toned sets/other sets in general.
That made me roflcopterskates out of my chair.
But cowboys would be a cool theme too.
I like how in NPH they sorta made green the big "bad guy" and red the "good guys." Green was first to attack and red was the only color that felt compassion for the Mirrodins. I hope they continue that in Innistrad. Yes, we know black is evil. WE GET IT. Now show us some creativity on how other colors can be evil also. I loved Kamigawa and how White was the villain and Black was the protagonist. It was an interesting spin on flavor I would like to see more.
Well frankly, I loved The Dark. It propably was disappointing from a power-level perspective, but imho was a great set flavor-wise with many great and different artworks. In contrast to that, Fallen Empires sucked at power level and flavor. Good idea, terrible execution.
I'd be totally fine if they made a successor "in style" of The Dark...
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GDS2 tried it, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like that eventually.
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