Well finally we get a Planeswalker VS Duel Deck that is not one color! For both sides! Multiple colors make the decks more interesting, especially if they give us some nice mana fixing lands. With Ajani (hopefully) being Naya, that would give us green's mana fixing. For Bolas, I am just hoping it is not like the Duels game where all we gonna get are some Wanderer's Twigs......
Please no!! Watch these decks being the incarnate of the Duels Decks, with Ajana and Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker thrown in.
With that thought, all these decks for each planeswalkers brings the point up, which deck/library/list of spells do they really use?
Does Chandra cast Raging Goblins and Volcanic Hammers, or does she fling Incinerate? Or is that only when she battles Jace??
Does Chandra cast Raging Goblins and Volcanic Hammers, or does she fling Incinerate? Or is that only when she battles Jace??
Chandra would not goblins to fight, she thinks there disgusting. I doubt she would use Volcanic Hammers but definitely Incinerate. She is more Burn than Sligh if that makes sence.
You do that Tezzeret. I;ll hold it up if it is indeed Ajani Goldmane and not Vengeant.
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Call me stupid, but I see nothing clear about it. The duel with Nicol Bolas was the turning point for the character of Ajani. When he engaged the dragon, he was Vengeant, but by the time the duel ended, he was Goldmane. I still say both planeswalker cards are possible for this product.
The leonin Ajani Goldmane scours the shards of Alara with a single thought in mind: revenge.
Filled with rage at the murder of his brother...
Seriously, people, how anyone can think this is not Vengeant from this statement astounds me.
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Until Phyrexia vs. the Coalition, no duel deck has has had any colors the Mythic foil card wasn't. That pattern has been broken already. Besides, the character Ajani can use green spells. Ajani is casting both Soul's Majesty and Soul's Might.
Yes, but PvTC was between two factions, not two individuals. And the Coalition's two schticks were "Urza is involved" and "all five colours".
Ajani Vengeant is in Boros colours. Saying he'll be in Naya colours because of the art on two cards, neither of which is an ability his card can use, doesn't make sense to me. If they wanted "Duel Decks: Naya vs Grixis", they would print DD: Naya vs Grixis. EvT could have been Bant vs Esper, and it wasn't. They could have done a prelude to UB Tezz by splashing black, and they didn't. So why would they take a planeswalker whose card is in Boros colours, focusing on red and white powers such as Lightning Helix, and stick in green? It doesn't have a great deal of synergy with any of his powers, and usually they focus on things that work well with the 'walker (look at Elspeth's token creators in her deck).
Then have him eat Nicol Bolas and the Magic universe can be awesome again. He takes over the Infinite Consortium and turns it into a trans-multiverse Izzet League. His agents scour the multiverse in Venser's planeships looking for magic to learn, technology to improve upon, and less intelligent people to condescend to.
Personally, I feel like the power level of Nicol Bolas over shadows the abilities of Goldmane across the board. Sure if you force out goldmane and make a 20/20 avatar you have a good chance of winning. But with Black and Red in nicol bolas it seems that there will be alot of black removal ( Doom Blade, Terror or even Go for the Throat) and red burn spells like Bolt, incinerate and whatever other "go to the face" spells red offers to keep Goldmane off his ultimate. At least Vengeant can lock down a color and potentially protect himself until he goes off.
Ajani will be Vengent. Having three mono white duel decks isnt so smart. And Ajani is/was in the Naya Shard. Just because his casting cost is red/white, doesnt mean the colors in the deck will be just red white. I expect green, but won't be dissapointed if its only red/white. Elspeth is a pure white Planeswalker, therefore all white deck. Same for the others. Tezz just recently got black being an Agent for Bolas and all.
Goldmane is the worst planeswalker. His ultimate gives you a Serra Avatar. Which is a seven casting cost card. Look at all the other planeswalkers ultimate... Chandra? 10 to everything? Um thats a 10+ CC spell. Jace TMS? Easily a 10+ using all colors!! Most of the Planeswalkers ultimates remind me of the Winds from Prophecy. But Goldmane's is just lame.
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if this thing doesn't have maelstrom pulse, i'd be sorely disappointed in the use of the word (though its colors dont fit the predicted deck colors haha)
I'm hoping for Naya vs. Grixis colours, with some fixing included (Signets or similar), as it would fit the flavour of the duel quite well and give us something lacking in recent dual decks. While Ajani might be just RW, he is connected to his home plane, and would very much likely be drawing his power from it.
Goldmane is the worst planeswalker. His ultimate gives you a Serra Avatar. Which is a seven casting cost card. Look at all the other planeswalkers ultimate... Chandra? 10 to everything? Um thats a 10+ CC spell. Jace TMS? Easily a 10+ using all colors!! Most of the Planeswalkers ultimates remind me of the Winds from Prophecy. But Goldmane's is just lame.
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While the ultimate might be weak, the real test of a PW is their first and second abilities. Many PW's never hit their ultimate, anyway.
Ajani is very powerful in WW/tokens decks, as he can make your small army quite effective and then protect himself. Think of Ajani Goldmane more like a pumper enchantment or multiple sorcery.
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Ajani will be Vengent. Having three mono white duel decks isnt so smart. And Ajani is/was in the Naya Shard. Just because his casting cost is red/white, doesnt mean the colors in the deck will be just red white. I expect green, but won't be dissapointed if its only red/white. Elspeth is a pure white Planeswalker, therefore all white deck. Same for the others. Tezz just recently got black being an Agent for Bolas and all.
Actually not true. In every appearance of Tezzeret in his literature (Agents and Test) he's prolifically used black mana.
UBR doesn't have much mana acceleration (beside maybe dark ritual)...
I can imagine; having the other planeswalker out by turn 4; and then: turn 8 bolas finally out; turn 9: O' ring... <gg>
It's possible to have them put some cards which let u put bolas out faster; !
(there are ways! Wait and see! :))
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So, yes... We're looking at 5 arts for the same walker for both Ajani and Jace. This is true regardless of whether it is Ajani Vengeant or Goldmane (which it isn't) since the planeswalker card they print will get new art anyhow.
It will mean that as a planeswalker, Ajani will match Jace both in number of alternate art versions (5) and also in number of printings (7). If you separate the different cards then all the numbers get skewed and Jace Beleren wins hands down for the most printed and most alternate art versions of an individual planeswalker card.
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"You said you wanted to cast what?! Counter that!"
Doesn´t anybody realize that in the Novel Goldmane and Vengeant are one and the same Person? So, looking this way, Ajani has 6!!! Abilities to use against NB...
I don´t think you can see which Ajani will come out in this DD in fact of the Novel...
Anyway...
I´m looking forward to this DD, hoping for AV, an alternate Lightning Helix and - for sure - an alternate Cruel Ultimatum.
I loved playing Cruel Control in Standard, when Alara was legal... :-D
in the end nicol always wins he. he. he your turn play ajani my turn play nicol bolas -2 eat ajani
Wait, how did you cast an 8-mana planeswalker with 4 mana symbols when you have at most 5 lands unless you basically had to spend every turn playing a land and a mana artifact, leaving you open to a Boros rush? And then the -2 ability only gives you control of a creature. You'd need to use the +3 ability to destroy Ajani.
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Know it won't ever happen, but don't people think that Force of Will fits perfectly with a Nicol Bolas deck?
Anyway, looking forward to the DD.
*shudder* we had enough problems with Elspeth vs Tezzeret; if they put FoW in anything that sells at walmart card shop onwers would probably be raiding retail stores to resell -_-
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People thinking this is going to have Goldmane and not Vengeant need to get the hint. The art clearly shows Ajani Vengeant. In the book he was still Vengeant when he faught bolas. He used Soul's Fire to fight Bolas. I would rip two Scrublands in half it has Ajani Goldmane in it and not Vengeant.
Can we quote you on that?
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Wait, how did you cast an 8-mana planeswalker with 4 mana symbols when you have at most 5 lands unless you basically had to spend every turn playing a land and a mana artifact, leaving you open to a Boros rush? And then the -2 ability only gives you control of a creature. You'd need to use the +3 ability to destroy Ajani.
T1, Swamp, Sol Ring (sol ring is uncommon, don't forget)
T2, Mountain, Coalition relic, something else.
T3, Swamp, charge counter on relic.
T4, Island, total mana is 8.
Only needs 7 cards including bolas, so 4 early game creatures are also possible...
Now, I can guarantee that the deck won't look like that, but one can dream...
Please no!! Watch these decks being the incarnate of the Duels Decks, with Ajana and Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker thrown in.
With that thought, all these decks for each planeswalkers brings the point up, which deck/library/list of spells do they really use?
Does Chandra cast Raging Goblins and Volcanic Hammers, or does she fling Incinerate? Or is that only when she battles Jace??
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Chandra would not goblins to fight, she thinks there disgusting. I doubt she would use Volcanic Hammers but definitely Incinerate. She is more Burn than Sligh if that makes sence.
You do that Tezzeret. I;ll hold it up if it is indeed Ajani Goldmane and not Vengeant.
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The leonin Ajani Goldmane scours the shards of Alara with a single thought in mind: revenge.
Filled with rage at the murder of his brother...
Seriously, people, how anyone can think this is not Vengeant from this statement astounds me.
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Ajani Goldmane/Ajani Vengeant (hoping for Vengeant)
Path to Exile
The soul cards (Soul's Fire, Soul's Grace, Soul's Majesty and Soul's Might)
Titanic Ultimatum?
Lightning Helix
Ajani's Pridemate & Ajani's Mantra (far more likely if Goldmane is the chosen walker.)
Qasali Pridemage
Wild Nacatl
Druid of the Anima, Knotvine Mystic, etc.
Jungle Temple
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker (obviously)
Cruel Ultimatum
Malfegor (from a storyline aspect, doubtful, but could be reprinted at rare)
Breath of Malfegor
Rakka Mar (from a storyline aspect, she was one of Bolas's minions.)
Hell's Thunder, Scourge Devil, Sedraxis Specter, other Unearth guys.
Slave of Bolas (kinda obvious)
Terminate
Agony Warp
Crumbling Necropolis
How did you not stop yourself right here?
Duel decks show when the planeswalkers face off, not after the conflict is over.
Yes, but PvTC was between two factions, not two individuals. And the Coalition's two schticks were "Urza is involved" and "all five colours".
Ajani Vengeant is in Boros colours. Saying he'll be in Naya colours because of the art on two cards, neither of which is an ability his card can use, doesn't make sense to me. If they wanted "Duel Decks: Naya vs Grixis", they would print DD: Naya vs Grixis. EvT could have been Bant vs Esper, and it wasn't. They could have done a prelude to UB Tezz by splashing black, and they didn't. So why would they take a planeswalker whose card is in Boros colours, focusing on red and white powers such as Lightning Helix, and stick in green? It doesn't have a great deal of synergy with any of his powers, and usually they focus on things that work well with the 'walker (look at Elspeth's token creators in her deck).
Goldmane is the worst planeswalker. His ultimate gives you a Serra Avatar. Which is a seven casting cost card. Look at all the other planeswalkers ultimate... Chandra? 10 to everything? Um thats a 10+ CC spell. Jace TMS? Easily a 10+ using all colors!! Most of the Planeswalkers ultimates remind me of the Winds from Prophecy. But Goldmane's is just lame.
if this thing doesn't have maelstrom pulse, i'd be sorely disappointed in the use of the word (though its colors dont fit the predicted deck colors haha)
Tangent:
While the ultimate might be weak, the real test of a PW is their first and second abilities. Many PW's never hit their ultimate, anyway.
Ajani is very powerful in WW/tokens decks, as he can make your small army quite effective and then protect himself. Think of Ajani Goldmane more like a pumper enchantment or multiple sorcery.
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Actually not true. In every appearance of Tezzeret in his literature (Agents and Test) he's prolifically used black mana.
UBR doesn't have much mana acceleration (beside maybe dark ritual)...
I can imagine; having the other planeswalker out by turn 4; and then: turn 8 bolas finally out; turn 9: O' ring... <gg>
It's possible to have them put some cards which let u put bolas out faster; !
(there are ways! Wait and see! :))
UB Lazavm Dimir Mastermind BU
GW Rhys the RedeemedWG
WUG Derevi, Epyrial Tactitian GUW
WUG Roon of the Hidden RealmGUW
WBR Kaliaa of the VastRBW
WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius BUW
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UB Ninja v2.1 BU
GU Simic's Fathom v0.9 UG
RGW Sarkhan's Seasoning v0.80 WGR
WR Chandra's Rebirth v0.3 RW
Ajani Goldmane
It will mean that as a planeswalker, Ajani will match Jace both in number of alternate art versions (5) and also in number of printings (7). If you separate the different cards then all the numbers get skewed and Jace Beleren wins hands down for the most printed and most alternate art versions of an individual planeswalker card.
"You said you wanted to cast what?! Counter that!"
Doesn´t anybody realize that in the Novel Goldmane and Vengeant are one and the same Person? So, looking this way, Ajani has 6!!! Abilities to use against NB...
I don´t think you can see which Ajani will come out in this DD in fact of the Novel...
Anyway...
I´m looking forward to this DD, hoping for AV, an alternate Lightning Helix and - for sure - an alternate Cruel Ultimatum.
I loved playing Cruel Control in Standard, when Alara was legal... :-D
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Wait, how did you cast an 8-mana planeswalker with 4 mana symbols when you have at most 5 lands unless you basically had to spend every turn playing a land and a mana artifact, leaving you open to a Boros rush? And then the -2 ability only gives you control of a creature. You'd need to use the +3 ability to destroy Ajani.
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Anyway, looking forward to the DD.
*shudder* we had enough problems with Elspeth vs Tezzeret; if they put FoW in anything that sells at walmart card shop onwers would probably be raiding retail stores to resell -_-
Can we quote you on that?
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WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion (HOLD/100) WB
T1, Swamp, Sol Ring (sol ring is uncommon, don't forget)
T2, Mountain, Coalition relic, something else.
T3, Swamp, charge counter on relic.
T4, Island, total mana is 8.
Only needs 7 cards including bolas, so 4 early game creatures are also possible...
Now, I can guarantee that the deck won't look like that, but one can dream...
UWBSharuum the HegemonBWU
UAzami, Lady of ScrollsU
UGMomir Vig, Simic VisionaryGU
GAzusa, Lost but SeekingG
GUEdric, Spymaster of TrestGU
well, as long as we're dreaming, we should include a couple Moxes....
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