So... SCG opens are what? WPN Premium Tournaments?
which gives them the same multiplier as an FNM?
...that doesnt seem right. There is a huge discrepancy in level of competition between the two.
Agree with those saying it just rewards playing more.
Not really too excited about this. I liked trying to improve at the game and see that reflected in my rating.
Now the "ratings" just reflect how much you play.
Yeah, I'm also a little disappointed at this aspect of the change. I always liked watching my rating slowly increase, and I dreamed that one day I'd be over 1900 and get an invite to nationals based on that rating.
There are a lot of positives about the change, and I understand why they needed to do it, but now all those folks that play Magic three times a week are just going to leave me in the dust.
A multi-tiered system seems far better than the one currently in place. Turian's example using himself gives you a great idea of how the old system was flawed and what the new system encourages. While veterans players will still retain some of the bonuses they get for their lifetime status, the necessity to grind points if one returns from a long abscence, coupled with not being able to lose any points, definitely makes the process more engaging. Also, the potential for Pros playing in lower level games without losing anything is great because it can help encorage some of the celebrity of Professional Magic. As someone stated, would you be excited to have Chapin or Kibler at your FNM on a random week? I know I would.
so it's bugged for me atm...
anyways could someone tell what level do you have to be to get byes at gp's and get invites to the pro tour?
Apparently byes for a GP isnt by level. You have to be in the top 15000 players in the past competitive season for one bye, top 2000 for 2 byes, 300 for 3 byes.
That means your previous events in older competitive seasons have NOTHING to do with byes in a GP, as your competitive points reset each season.
So basically rating no longer evaluates skill, instead it represents how frequently you play.
The rating system is weighted very heavily toward high level events. I've played tournament Magic most weeks out of the year for serveral years now, and won dozens of tournaments. I'm still only about 1400 points. A good year on the pro circuit would net you more points than I'll probably see in a lifetime.
As for the pros showing up at FNM thing, though, if you can't beat them, you're not exactly much of a champion, right? Besides, you can learn a lot from the top players, even if they whip your ass all over the place. In addition, with the new Grand Prix schedule, the SCG Opens, Midwest Masters, and all the other things going on, I doubt you'll see the pros at FNM too much, anyway.
Finally, a system that shows the ratings system is bunk. The only potentially warping thing is people going 0-4 then 5-0 at a GP or something, gaining points like that, but with little incentive other than GP byes you'll have to work harder than 5-4 to earn those byes as well.
I'm curious how different independent events will be handled with "k value" now. Obviously the SCG events are the big ones, but even the smaller local tournament's "K" value is important.
I'm really interested in this FNM Championship thing... so the 100 players with the most points from just FNM each year get a tournament just for them, and Wizards is paying for all the plane tickets. Wow.
I love the idea, but I try to use it, and the site goes asswonky... figures. I figure I'm an apprentice, despite my long history, I just haven't played much sanctioned stuff since 2008, and my even older record was under a different number, lost to time. Oh well, at least we can sanction casual events.
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Hmmm, my guess is that they'll implement some kind of special treatment for SCG Opens. They are a little different to anything else currently operating, after all.
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I don't like the fact that it basically just rewards people who've been playing longer. The old rating system had serious flaws, but it at least pretended to actually represent player skill. This...doesn't. It's basically like a post count. A high rating says "I'm a good player". A high amount of Planeswalker Points says "I play a lot". Not nearly the same thing. It's like bragging about post count.
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exactly, no more having to "sit" on your rating to protect a GP bye.
how is this a bad thing again?
It rewards only time invested as opposed to skill and progress? In other words, the newb who plays all the time and never gets better at the game can have a higher rating than the pro player who only plays large events once a week or so?
if theres no risk of losing points, whats there to stop lesser-skilled players from ending up with higher ratings?
just like in rpg's, cant they just keep grinding events and hope to rack up wins?
You could... but it's not like you're going to get player rewards for it.
And if you boil down that last point, that's all the old system really ever was; grinding for wins.
It rewards only time invested as opposed to skill and progress? In other words, the newb whole plays all the time and never gets better at the game can have a higher rating than the pro player who only plays large events once a week or so?
Oh please. The amount of casual games you'd have to play (and lose) to equate to playing at and winning at an official sanctioned event is most likely astronomical given the new system.
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Don't get me wrong, I think I like the new system. I..think I do, anyway. It'll take some playing in tournaments to really access how it goes, but I have to admit, the fact that I can't LOSE points now is great. Even just for FNM stuff, I can be okay with going 2-2 that night, losing to a deck I shouldn't have, because at least I got 18 points out of it. (right? 2 wins, 3 points each, 3x multiplier?) The math will be interesting to see.
Plus, I've been playing since Mirage, so I ought to have a BUTTLOAD of points......as soon as the site is up again, that'll be fun to see
Edit: Level 35 Invoker, I guess. I need less than 150 points to reach level 36 and the next Tier. I guess that's good?
Hmmm, my guess is that they'll implement some kind of special treatment for SCG Opens. They are a little different to anything else currently operating, after all.
They'd better. Currently in my event history on the planeswalker points page, they're listed as WPN premium events. Giving them the same 3x multiplier as FNMs.
It rewards only time invested as opposed to skill and progress? In other words, the newb who plays all the time and never gets better at the game can have a higher rating than the pro player who only plays large events once a week or so?
A higher lifetime rating, sure. Only the competitive ratings matter for rewards. If Larry Longhaul wants to have bragging rights based on the fact he's slugged through 10 years of FNMs, sure, but he doesn't get to go to a PT for it.
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I'm really interested in this FNM Championship thing... so the 100 players with the most points from just FNM each year get a tournament just for them, and Wizards is paying for all the plane tickets. Wow.
System is unfair though.
You have to play at a bigger FNM to get the multiplier and have a chance.
You have to play at a bigger FNM to get the multiplier and have a chance.
Good point. It'll be easier to get those points if you live somewhere with a larger attendance (though that theoretically also makes it harder to win the event).
Let's say you have two players who just got into the game today. They only play FNMs, and they play at the same store. One of them is a doctor who sometimes has to be on call, and thus he misses one third of the FNMs. The other one is a lawyer who never has to miss FNM. Now, over the next year, the lawyer ends up winning 40% of his matches, and the doctor wins 60% of his. It's very clear who the more skilled player is, but their ratings are identical, so it is useless for determining skill.
I like this system ^^; I'm a huge casual player, and FNM player, but I don't actually have the money to go to other stuff, and nothing else really ever gets run here, so.... I always kinda feel like my efforts to get better are in vain outside of personal joy, hwich honestly, isn't a big deal with me.
And I'm glad he encouraged sanctioning casual play, I've been doing that for a long time. I'm friends with the level 3 judge here(I can actually see his house from my street, which I never knew til a bit ago) and so I like to call him and have him come to sanction things. I've turned Sunday's casual magic into a sanctioned thing, and it's actually eaned my LGS some money. They do a little bit of prize support for it, but people come in and buy packs, so at the end of the day, they still make profit off of it.
The players get rewarded for playing, no matter what they're playing, or where, which is something I can definitely get behind. I've always thought FNM was by far the most important thing we do, event wise. Yes, the other ones are, by definition, more important, but FNM is where people really find themselves, competitively, at least from my understanding of it so far, so I'm glad to see it being pushed even further than that, and I will be attending FNM a lot more, probably even saying to build a damned good standard deck once Innistrad rolls around. This has encouraged me to start playing competitively again, which is a good sign...
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which gives them the same multiplier as an FNM?
...that doesnt seem right. There is a huge discrepancy in level of competition between the two.
Yeah, I'm also a little disappointed at this aspect of the change. I always liked watching my rating slowly increase, and I dreamed that one day I'd be over 1900 and get an invite to nationals based on that rating.
There are a lot of positives about the change, and I understand why they needed to do it, but now all those folks that play Magic three times a week are just going to leave me in the dust.
just like in rpg's, cant they just keep grinding events and hope to rack up wins?
they made it pretty clear that they dont want points going down
Apparently byes for a GP isnt by level. You have to be in the top 15000 players in the past competitive season for one bye, top 2000 for 2 byes, 300 for 3 byes.
That means your previous events in older competitive seasons have NOTHING to do with byes in a GP, as your competitive points reset each season.
The rating system is weighted very heavily toward high level events. I've played tournament Magic most weeks out of the year for serveral years now, and won dozens of tournaments. I'm still only about 1400 points. A good year on the pro circuit would net you more points than I'll probably see in a lifetime.
As for the pros showing up at FNM thing, though, if you can't beat them, you're not exactly much of a champion, right? Besides, you can learn a lot from the top players, even if they whip your ass all over the place. In addition, with the new Grand Prix schedule, the SCG Opens, Midwest Masters, and all the other things going on, I doubt you'll see the pros at FNM too much, anyway.
I'm curious how different independent events will be handled with "k value" now. Obviously the SCG events are the big ones, but even the smaller local tournament's "K" value is important.
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It rewards only time invested as opposed to skill and progress? In other words, the newb who plays all the time and never gets better at the game can have a higher rating than the pro player who only plays large events once a week or so?
You could... but it's not like you're going to get player rewards for it.
And if you boil down that last point, that's all the old system really ever was; grinding for wins.
Oh please. The amount of casual games you'd have to play (and lose) to equate to playing at and winning at an official sanctioned event is most likely astronomical given the new system.
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"Ok so what do we have here... gothic horror? Scrap it. Expand the Devine Vs. Demonic duel deck to 244 cards and print it!"
2/2
Plus, I've been playing since Mirage, so I ought to have a BUTTLOAD of points......as soon as the site is up again, that'll be fun to see
Edit: Level 35 Invoker, I guess. I need less than 150 points to reach level 36 and the next Tier. I guess that's good?
They'd better. Currently in my event history on the planeswalker points page, they're listed as WPN premium events. Giving them the same 3x multiplier as FNMs.
A higher lifetime rating, sure. Only the competitive ratings matter for rewards. If Larry Longhaul wants to have bragging rights based on the fact he's slugged through 10 years of FNMs, sure, but he doesn't get to go to a PT for it.
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System is unfair though.
You have to play at a bigger FNM to get the multiplier and have a chance.
Good point. It'll be easier to get those points if you live somewhere with a larger attendance (though that theoretically also makes it harder to win the event).
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Let's say you have two players who just got into the game today. They only play FNMs, and they play at the same store. One of them is a doctor who sometimes has to be on call, and thus he misses one third of the FNMs. The other one is a lawyer who never has to miss FNM. Now, over the next year, the lawyer ends up winning 40% of his matches, and the doctor wins 60% of his. It's very clear who the more skilled player is, but their ratings are identical, so it is useless for determining skill.
So, if someone goes 0-2 in a 8/9 round event, they can play just to play and not worry about a number anymore, right?
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And I'm glad he encouraged sanctioning casual play, I've been doing that for a long time. I'm friends with the level 3 judge here(I can actually see his house from my street, which I never knew til a bit ago) and so I like to call him and have him come to sanction things. I've turned Sunday's casual magic into a sanctioned thing, and it's actually eaned my LGS some money. They do a little bit of prize support for it, but people come in and buy packs, so at the end of the day, they still make profit off of it.
The players get rewarded for playing, no matter what they're playing, or where, which is something I can definitely get behind. I've always thought FNM was by far the most important thing we do, event wise. Yes, the other ones are, by definition, more important, but FNM is where people really find themselves, competitively, at least from my understanding of it so far, so I'm glad to see it being pushed even further than that, and I will be attending FNM a lot more, probably even saying to build a damned good standard deck once Innistrad rolls around. This has encouraged me to start playing competitively again, which is a good sign...
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