I like how everyone ignored the guy who posted the image from Steam, where it STATES THAT HE'S FROM RAVNICA. Well done as always MTGSalvation, well done.
I like how everyone ignored the guy who posted the image from Steam, where it STATES THAT HE'S FROM RAVNICA. Well done as always MTGSalvation, well done.
If that was directed to me, my post is edited at the bottom...you have my sincerest apologies for not reading all 32 pages.
I took MaRo saying that as him hinting at the Rav block coming. They needed the lands in standard with Rav without printing all ten lands in m13, but Rav needed this cycle of enemy dual lands in standard while it was, so they put them here, and maybe will reprint them in m14 or the block after the return to rav.
Don't missunderstand, IF the next block is in fact a return to Ravnica then Ral showing up there is more then logical. What I was speaking against was the idea that we will get him in Innistrad block backed up by duel lands that we know are a tacked on addition to the set.
Seriously nobody has any patience anymore. We have Kiora and Ral and people all over this site keep arguing and grasping for straws at reasons that they BOTH could show up in Innistrad block. Maybe there is an Innistrad walker that we haven't even seen yet and these two are another block or two down the road.
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Was there some piece of key information/announcement that I missed stating that the next block was a return to ravnica? Because there are a lot of people stating this so matter-of-factly on this forum.
As far as we know, he is a character found in the files of the DotP2012. As cool as it would be to have an Izzet walker, he may never even be printed, and if he is it is highly likely that it will be in a ravnica return. Which may be next year, the year after, or even 5 years. And that's even if we do return(which is likely, given its popularity)
If we do return to ravnica, I suspect it will be very different to the last time we did. Especially if the depowering (see Innistrad) continues.
Was there some piece of key information/announcement that I missed stating that the next block was a return to ravnica? Because there are a lot of people stating this so matter-of-factly on this forum.
As far as we know, he is a character found in the files of the DotP2012. As cool as it would be to have an Izzet walker, he may never even be printed, and if he is it is highly likely that it will be in a ravnica return. Which may be next year, the year after, or even 5 years. And that's even if we do return(which is likely, given its popularity)
If we do return to ravnica, I suspect it will be very different to the last time we did. Especially if the depowering (see Innistrad) continues.
Oh I agree it will be different, but I'm just saying if WotC put those lands in INN due to needing them to be around, and Inn isn't heavy with enemy color it stands to reason the rest of this block or the next is. If we return to rav they could do enemy man lands in the actual block, rav lands in m13 and these in inn to make solid land bases for a year. I agree the next blOck could be anything, I just interpreted MaRo's statment on them as WotC wanted the lands in there for the next block, otherwise they could have gone in a later Inn block where the enemy colors were more relevant. We already have a little enemy colored flashback though, so who knows, we might get a lot more enemy colored stuff as the block progresses, and they wanted the lands out ahead of that so they didn't take up land slots in a small set again.
On Ral being from ravnica, neither Gideon or Sorin were from Zendikar. Elspeth isn't from bant. Where they're from and where they first appear in paper isn't tied that tightly.
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
Oh I agree it will be different, but I'm just saying if WotC put those lands in INN due to needing them to be around, and Inn isn't heavy with enemy color it stands to reason the rest of this block or the next is. If we return to rav they could do enemy man lands in the actual block, rav lands in m13 and these in inn to make solid land bases for a year. I agree the next blOck could be anything, I just interpreted MaRo's statment on them as WotC wanted the lands in there for the next block, otherwise they could have gone in a later Inn block where the enemy colors were more relevant. We already have a little enemy colored flashback though, so who knows, we might get a lot more enemy colored stuff as the block progresses, and they wanted the lands out ahead of that so they didn't take up land slots in a small set again.
On Ral being from ravnica, neither Gideon or Sorin were from Zendikar. Elspeth isn't from bant. Where they're from and where they first appear in paper isn't tied that tightly.
Oh sorry, I haven't really seen or heard any announcements so I wouldnt know. But the lands is a good point. Apart from the different colour flashback costs and a couple creatures here and there, I can't see them doing much multi coloured stuff in the INN block. Flavour wise, its fine if they just carry over this style. So yeah, it would make sense to print the lands now, with Ravnica coming.
Yeah, being a walker they can print him wherever I guess. I can't see why an Izzet mage would care about Innistrad though. Here's to hoping for a sweet UR walker
Was there some piece of key information/announcement that I missed stating that the next block was a return to ravnica? Because there are a lot of people stating this so matter-of-factly on this forum.
There wasn't any kind of official announcement but there was this. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=339363&highlight=ravnica
The Mods have a source that they feel is trustworthy that has told them that [Hook] is a Ravnica return. The credibility of the mods and their sources was recently shaken due to the confirmation by a trusted source that Lilliana was our 5 ability walker in INN.
I have always been of the opinion that a return to Ravnica would be welcome but unlikely to come this soon after Scars block since that was a testing ground for return blocks and development needs time to test blocks with the blocks that will be around them. This was before the Lilliana incedent and that did nothing to convince me that it was any more true.
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The closer we get to hook, the less I am thinking it is the return to RAV. I mean RAV is a great plane, but for some reason I think they will go to something that is more unknown. I'm talking about one of the planechase planes that we haven't seen yet.
But back on topic of Ral, I would love to see him, I would love to see him outside of RAVII, do I think we will? Not for a LOOONG time. Reasons why? Lately they seem to have been taking the approach of "Media Only" characters (this is at least what I have gotten from there statements lately). By this I think that when they said Ral was exclusive, he is exclusive to DOTP and that is final. They experimented with using popular characters in the past as deck reps, but in the end I think that that caused more problems (I was waiting for a rhys card for a while I tell you......and Ral is not Niv....that would be cheap and poor writing). They decided to make a handful of "Media Only" 'walkers such as Ral (who they explicitly did state as Exclusive to the game), Atua (can't think of her first name spelling right now, and they said they might include her but not immediately), and the comic book walker (whom will only be in the comic).
Personally I think they need to do a Muraganda set with Koira (there is the spelling) as a PW for it, but that is my opinion. As for INN, i'd rather see one of the viral story characters rise above as a new walker card then Ral (Mainly either Geralf or Reika), which I doubt they would do this because, though it would be awesome, reika I think is too close to elspeth and geralf is too....geralf lol.
Yes, the Liliana thing ended up being bad info. It happens sometimes. And there's no 100% confirmation about the information regarding Ravnica. But we remain confident enough about that rumor to report it to the Rumor Mill. If we think a tip-off is too fishy or based on too shaky of info, we don't pass it along.
Always use your own judgment with regard to unconfirmed information, though; we do, and what convinces us doesn't necessarily have to convince you. We're human, and sometimes we're wrong. Sometimes you're wrong. It's okay. We're always trying our best to bring you only good info, because we wouldn't be donating time and effort to supporting this site if we didn't want to do right by it.
But back on topic of Ral, I would love to see him, I would love to see him outside of RAVII, do I think we will? Not for a LOOONG time. Reasons why? Lately they seem to have been taking the approach of "Media Only" characters (this is at least what I have gotten from there statements lately). By this I think that when they said Ral was exclusive, he is exclusive to DOTP and that is final. They experimented with using popular characters in the past as deck reps, but in the end I think that that caused more problems (I was waiting for a rhys card for a while I tell you......and Ral is not Niv....that would be cheap and poor writing). They decided to make a handful of "Media Only" 'walkers such as Ral (who they explicitly did state as Exclusive to the game), Atua (can't think of her first name spelling right now, and they said they might include her but not immediately), and the comic book walker (whom will only be in the comic).
I'm glad to see someone else that's starting to think like this.
Look at the current roster of planeswalkers, who would make a logical pilot for a UG deck? Heck who of the blue walkers would even use merfolk or any kind of sea creatures in their deck? Jace uses faries and drakes, Tezzeret uses thopters and other constructs, Bolas ... nope, Venser would be unlikely. We needed a good fish walker, not that they couldn't be human but they needed affinity to the sea and the creatures in it, Kiora Atua fills that role.
UR has a similar problem. The only walker we have that has both U and R is Bolas and I don't see him using very crazy decks. Ral Zerek is able to fill a role that none of the other walkers can.
Now I'm not saying that we will never get a paper version of Kiora or Ral. In fact quite the opposite I think it's only a matter of time but we will get them when the block is a good fit for them and not just because we need a R or a U walker for this block.
@luminum Hey, you should know that I do really appreciate what the mods do for this site. I was mearly bringing lol-Raven up to speed and felt like the whole story would do a lot more good then part of it. Hey I argued till I was blue in the face that the backs of Magic cards would never change and now we have DFCs. We all have to eat crow now and then but history is history.
All the artifacts hes holding could be another U/B like tezz. Hopefully the reds not there to throw us off. let's hope for a U/R though. Or U/B/R maybe
Hmm I didn't notice this thread before.
But it clearly says in DotP that he's from the Izzet guild under the care of Niv Mizzet.
And since in dotp he is RU, I don't think there is much room for debate on what colors he is (they won't change his 'base' colors even before we met him I think).
The screenshot is a bit small (I had to take it during the game, upload using steam, make a screenshot, paste in paint, and upload it... yeah... not ideal)
if they print him, it must be in RTR. it wouldn't make sense printing him in another plane with that background
Or the printing could have different art? I don't think that's ever been ruled out. Its not like he can only have one piece of art. With that art, yes it is most likely on Ravnica.
I swear I first read it as Wingbonger...something tells me that "As Long as Wingbonger is paired with another creature, both creatures have weed." wouldn't be as good. Seems solid for limited.
Given that niv-mizzet is in the new block and that Rally seems very likely to be in the block as wel and that Dack(who may not appear at all this standard) is currently promoted....
Why 3 R/U walkers? does this support the theory that Ravnica is going to be a planeswalker set and that therefor there is room for this?
1 of them must be cut out. either Nivvy never had a spark or Dack is simply just a posterboy for interesting magic comics.(and would not be printed any time soon)
I am 100% sure there will be a R/U planeswalker :P.
Dack is likely to appear in AVR. Nivvy never really planeswalked away from ravnica he just went away from the major city, So Ral is likely to be the R/U one . Jace could be handling the meeting of planeswalkers with the help of Nizz( Nizz himself could even rival the elder dragon)
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If that was directed to me, my post is edited at the bottom...you have my sincerest apologies for not reading all 32 pages.
Don't missunderstand, IF the next block is in fact a return to Ravnica then Ral showing up there is more then logical. What I was speaking against was the idea that we will get him in Innistrad block backed up by duel lands that we know are a tacked on addition to the set.
Seriously nobody has any patience anymore. We have Kiora and Ral and people all over this site keep arguing and grasping for straws at reasons that they BOTH could show up in Innistrad block. Maybe there is an Innistrad walker that we haven't even seen yet and these two are another block or two down the road.
There's no proof she's being chased
by ninja squirrels either. - Dr. Wilson
As far as we know, he is a character found in the files of the DotP2012. As cool as it would be to have an Izzet walker, he may never even be printed, and if he is it is highly likely that it will be in a ravnica return. Which may be next year, the year after, or even 5 years. And that's even if we do return(which is likely, given its popularity)
If we do return to ravnica, I suspect it will be very different to the last time we did. Especially if the depowering (see Innistrad) continues.
Oh I agree it will be different, but I'm just saying if WotC put those lands in INN due to needing them to be around, and Inn isn't heavy with enemy color it stands to reason the rest of this block or the next is. If we return to rav they could do enemy man lands in the actual block, rav lands in m13 and these in inn to make solid land bases for a year. I agree the next blOck could be anything, I just interpreted MaRo's statment on them as WotC wanted the lands in there for the next block, otherwise they could have gone in a later Inn block where the enemy colors were more relevant. We already have a little enemy colored flashback though, so who knows, we might get a lot more enemy colored stuff as the block progresses, and they wanted the lands out ahead of that so they didn't take up land slots in a small set again.
On Ral being from ravnica, neither Gideon or Sorin were from Zendikar. Elspeth isn't from bant. Where they're from and where they first appear in paper isn't tied that tightly.
Oh sorry, I haven't really seen or heard any announcements so I wouldnt know. But the lands is a good point. Apart from the different colour flashback costs and a couple creatures here and there, I can't see them doing much multi coloured stuff in the INN block. Flavour wise, its fine if they just carry over this style. So yeah, it would make sense to print the lands now, with Ravnica coming.
Yeah, being a walker they can print him wherever I guess. I can't see why an Izzet mage would care about Innistrad though. Here's to hoping for a sweet UR walker
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There wasn't any kind of official announcement but there was this.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=339363&highlight=ravnica
The Mods have a source that they feel is trustworthy that has told them that [Hook] is a Ravnica return. The credibility of the mods and their sources was recently shaken due to the confirmation by a trusted source that Lilliana was our 5 ability walker in INN.
I have always been of the opinion that a return to Ravnica would be welcome but unlikely to come this soon after Scars block since that was a testing ground for return blocks and development needs time to test blocks with the blocks that will be around them. This was before the Lilliana incedent and that did nothing to convince me that it was any more true.
There's no proof she's being chased
by ninja squirrels either. - Dr. Wilson
But back on topic of Ral, I would love to see him, I would love to see him outside of RAVII, do I think we will? Not for a LOOONG time. Reasons why? Lately they seem to have been taking the approach of "Media Only" characters (this is at least what I have gotten from there statements lately). By this I think that when they said Ral was exclusive, he is exclusive to DOTP and that is final. They experimented with using popular characters in the past as deck reps, but in the end I think that that caused more problems (I was waiting for a rhys card for a while I tell you......and Ral is not Niv....that would be cheap and poor writing). They decided to make a handful of "Media Only" 'walkers such as Ral (who they explicitly did state as Exclusive to the game), Atua (can't think of her first name spelling right now, and they said they might include her but not immediately), and the comic book walker (whom will only be in the comic).
Personally I think they need to do a Muraganda set with Koira (there is the spelling) as a PW for it, but that is my opinion. As for INN, i'd rather see one of the viral story characters rise above as a new walker card then Ral (Mainly either Geralf or Reika), which I doubt they would do this because, though it would be awesome, reika I think is too close to elspeth and geralf is too....geralf lol.
Always use your own judgment with regard to unconfirmed information, though; we do, and what convinces us doesn't necessarily have to convince you. We're human, and sometimes we're wrong. Sometimes you're wrong. It's okay. We're always trying our best to bring you only good info, because we wouldn't be donating time and effort to supporting this site if we didn't want to do right by it.
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I'm glad to see someone else that's starting to think like this.
Look at the current roster of planeswalkers, who would make a logical pilot for a UG deck? Heck who of the blue walkers would even use merfolk or any kind of sea creatures in their deck? Jace uses faries and drakes, Tezzeret uses thopters and other constructs, Bolas ... nope, Venser would be unlikely. We needed a good fish walker, not that they couldn't be human but they needed affinity to the sea and the creatures in it, Kiora Atua fills that role.
UR has a similar problem. The only walker we have that has both U and R is Bolas and I don't see him using very crazy decks. Ral Zerek is able to fill a role that none of the other walkers can.
Now I'm not saying that we will never get a paper version of Kiora or Ral. In fact quite the opposite I think it's only a matter of time but we will get them when the block is a good fit for them and not just because we need a R or a U walker for this block.
@luminum Hey, you should know that I do really appreciate what the mods do for this site. I was mearly bringing lol-Raven up to speed and felt like the whole story would do a lot more good then part of it. Hey I argued till I was blue in the face that the backs of Magic cards would never change and now we have DFCs. We all have to eat crow now and then but history is history.
There's no proof she's being chased
by ninja squirrels either. - Dr. Wilson
But it clearly says in DotP that he's from the Izzet guild under the care of Niv Mizzet.
And since in dotp he is RU, I don't think there is much room for debate on what colors he is (they won't change his 'base' colors even before we met him I think).
The screenshot is a bit small (I had to take it during the game, upload using steam, make a screenshot, paste in paint, and upload it... yeah... not ideal)
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He already has a strong "thunder" theme. His deck is all about creatures à la Lightning Serpent, and bounces.
Or the printing could have different art? I don't think that's ever been ruled out. Its not like he can only have one piece of art. With that art, yes it is most likely on Ravnica.
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Dack is likely to appear in AVR. Nivvy never really planeswalked away from ravnica he just went away from the major city, So Ral is likely to be the R/U one . Jace could be handling the meeting of planeswalkers with the help of Nizz( Nizz himself could even rival the elder dragon)
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WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
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