I don't really see Koth having an artifact theme even if he is from Mirrodin, but if you're going that route, Phyrexia's Coreplays really well with the theme and could potentially even let you include Rust Elemental. Sure, he's not phyrexian, but he's from the plane. He's not really associated with fire either, but sometimes you have to bend a little when you only have pre-existing cards to work with.
He's also not associated with cougars or giant bugs. Didn't stop them from using those.
And, yeah, some more NPH/Scars cards would have been nice. Phyrexian Metamorph instead of Clone. A Seachrome Coast instead of a Plains.
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Actually, a Rockslide Elemental plus Ion Storm kind of deck would have been extremely fun. Plus other stuff like Slith Firewalker, Brightearth Banneret, Caldera Hellion, Countryside Crusher, Goblin Razerunners, Rabble Rouser, Gorehorn Minotaurs, Skitter of Lizards, Volt Charge, Shrine of the Burning Rage, Trigon of Rage, Talon of Pain... that's another fun, unexplored angle.
The decks aren't too bad for what they are worth. $20 for 2 foiled planewalkers is not a bad deal. Especially when each original foil version is worth around $20.
Plus some alternate art and modern bordered classic cards are always nice.
The decks aren't too bad for what they are worth. $20 for 2 foiled planewalkers is not a bad deal. Especially when each original foil version is worth around $20.
Plus some alternate art and modern bordered classic cards are always nice.
Your forgetting that foil planeswalkers from these duel decks are normally worth half the price of the orginial. Go compare ajani vengent prices . These will probably go for around $10 for each. Modern bordered cards are nice but barely any of these cards are playable so yeah reprinting never used cards is great woohooo go wizards. These duel decks together probably only cost around $15 not the so called $20
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Lol you do realise Seachrome coast is worth the $20 on its own and the metamorph isn't cheap either there was never any chance of either of them in the deck.
but they didn't need expensive cards to make it better.
The decks themselves are very very evenly matched though... but I maintain they could still of balanced them with better cards.
Koth needed something worth ramping to... I am sure there is a good 10 red card somewhere that would of made you want to use his -2 for something.
there is a Bunch of really great low cost things Venser could of done.
following the disappointing KvD and awful FtV:Legends im really starting to lose faith
Funny. Have you played with KvD that you are calling them disappointing? I dug them up a month before and the decks are definitely in the top half of the DD line when it comes to fun and playability.
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Modern bordered cards are nice but barely any of these cards are playable so yeah reprinting never used cards is great woohooo go wizards.
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The decks themselves are very very evenly matched though... but I maintain they could still of balanced them with better cards.
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To be fair, I actually kind of like the fact that they didn't stock this with expensive cards, as it might actually be possible to buy this at MSRP. I just wish they had included decent or interesting cheap cards rather than boring cheap cards. It doesn't have to be Legacy-playable, but the stuff that was failing to make the cut in the Masques or Kamigawa eras could have been left out.
Rockslide Elemental is terrible unless you draw it pretty early. The firebreathers are better in a removal lite format like this. Slagstorm is much more likely in decks like the Planechase ones in June since spot removal doesn't fly as well in multiplayer. That's where all the mass destruction goes unless it just happens to be tied to a fat bomb like Bloodfire Colossus. Runeflare Trap and Sudden Impact probably won't do as much damage as the burn already in the deck and don't target creatures as well.
Mulldrifter, likely, was in the the deck along with Momentary Blink. A lot of the 2-1 things got cut due to Venser being too strong, though. Mangara of Corondor is legacy playable, but not worthy of replacing any of the rares in this deck. Just wait until Planechase in June. The multiplayer decks have more leeway as to what they can reprint since they aren't designed to be super balanced against each other. Sure, they have an event for it, but multiplayer is more about politics than raw card power. Hell, Sol Ring is allowed in Commander.
You *still* did not have the idea what this product is for, right? Don't like it? Don't buy it. It is simple.
I'll be honest... I don't either. Previous duel decks seemed to be designed to have moderately playable decks with 2-5 strong cards, and the rest decent with a small amount of chaff, and to provide a fun play experience out of the box.
This duel deck seems to have embraced the "fun play experience out of the box" by providing the purchaser with two 60 card draft decks. Even from a casual point of view, the card selection is abysmal and does absolutely nothing to pique interest in the product. It relies entirely on the name value of two mediocre planeswalkers.
Although, I'm not too terribly surprised since this was most likely assembled around the same time they assembled from the vault: standard. Or at least, assembled before they saw the fallout of from the vault: standard.
Once again, just to explain things, even those these decks are not meant to be extremely competitive and not have tons of money cards, you should still be able to make a decent competitive deck by purchasing multiples of the duel decks. For example, I bought 4 duel decks: elspeth vs terzzeret, and this is the decklist I made:
I had four copies of each of those cards, except for 20 plains, and I had a deck that was fairly consistant and competitive.
With duel decks: koth vs venser, you can't really build a competitive deck from just those cards alone, which is discouraging to a lot of people I believe, even if the decks are supposed to be casual. Who says casual players don't like competitive cards?
Just to put it to rest, let's have some reassurance that you cannot build these decks for cheaper than they're worth. So let's imagine we live next to Star City Games (so we don't have to pay shipping), and we want to give them the decklist and tell them to put it together for us (except for the basics, we have infinite of those). Why SCG? Because let's face it, they have more cards than anybody, they're more likely to actually have everything you need than anybody else. While this actually isn't true because even they are out of stock on cards, you're much less likely to find the whole thing anywhere else without going to a dozen different stores and paying multiple shipping costs.
So we walk in, say a month from today, and ask them for a copy of the DD in singles instead of the product. Let's pretend they use the cheapest version of the card prior to release to equivalently price it. Now we all know there's an exception to this rule: the mythic foil is usually 70-80% what the original is. So let's say they price Venser and Koth as 75% normal worth. (Another exception to the rule is sometimes new versions go up or down. Ajani's Loxodon Warhammer is a little cheaper than the original, his Lightning Helix is a little more, while Bolas' Undermine stayed the same, for example. But let's ignore these balanced exceptions.)
They're going to ask for $49.80 (before tax). And that was with cheaper PWers... Let's even imagine the worse case scenario in the history of releases: every single card in the deck becomes as low as 66% what the original was worth. They're still going to ask for $36, well over what the product is worth. 50%? You somehow got the best possible deals on them from TCGPlayer and got a god's hand of fate deal of $0 to ship it from 6 stores?... Still $24.90.
In conclusion, if you're complaining that you could buy this product individually cheaper than what Wizards is asking for it, you're most likely going to have to go to dozens of store websites, pay shipping, spend hours trying to find who has the cards, and then foot the $49.80 bill for the cards themselves. So if you're wanting to make sure this product is of value, or simply want to gut the product, you're looking at at least $29.75 in tradebait. If you're SCG, you're certainly going to gut probably 100 of these for pure profit.
If you're SCG, you're certainly going to gut probably 100 of these for pure profit.
Not much profit. They'll certainly be able to sell the Venser, the Koth, and the Path of Exile for about $20 total. Most of the other cards will probably sit on shelves, though. Flood Plain might be listed at $1, but that doesn't mean people are interested in buying it.
Most of the other cards will probably sit on shelves, though.
That's exactly right. Of all the cards that will actually sell, you'd be very lucky to get your money back on this product. All those cards listed above for $0.15-0.25 are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Which is $0.00 in most cases.
Not much profit. They'll certainly be able to sell the Venser, the Koth, and the Path of Exile for about $20 total. Most of the other cards will probably sit on shelves, though. Flood Plain might be listed at $1, but that doesn't mean people are interested in buying it.
So you get at least more than what you payed for? That's a bad deal?
And I don't know about that Flood Plain... they seem to be running out of them.
That's exactly right. Of all the cards that will actually sell, you'd be very lucky to get your money back on this product. All those cards listed above for $0.15-0.25 are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Which is $0.00 in most cases.
So you get at least more than what you payed for? That's a bad deal?
And I don't know about that Flood Plain... they seem to be running out of them.
You already made your money back, next question.
"They" being a large dealer like SCG, not the average person on the street. The prices you quoted in your previous post are laughable and not what the average person can expect to buy or sell those cards for.
PtE will go for ~$2 (unless demand for the new art keeps the price high), the PWs ~$5-6, and no one will pay for much of anything else outside of the occasional Sky Spirit/Wall of Denial/Flood Plain (EDIT: Add O-Ring/Preordain). You'll break even at best (if you pay $20 each for these shipping and/or taxes inclusive; you'll also likely need to buy in multiples of 4 to move playsets), but the effort to do so won't be worth it.
So you get at least more than what you payed for? That's a bad deal?
It is when what you paid for isn't any good to begin with.
What does Homelands usually go for? I see sealed booster boxes on eBay going for 89, and 99 bucks. Star City Games is asking 99.00 per sealed Homelands Booster box.
Wait. Wait! There's ONE Homelands sealed booster box on eBay going for 69.99! ZOMG! If you buy that box, you've just gotten a sweetheart deal. Star City wants 99 but you paid 69. How can you possibly complain after opening those boosters?
Just because these cards individually sell for more than the overall price of the box, doesn't mean it is a good deal.
And I don't know about that Flood Plain... they seem to be running out of them.
That's because the Flood Plain that they have are 16 years old and most of them are beat to hell, lost of damaged because people like me played w/out sleeves back then. (The first Ultrapro Blackshields came out in '96 and sleeves weren't widely adopted for limited until 2000-2001.)
Personally I'll sell anything I can break even on. This kind of product isn't a lot of work to crack. I like Alt/Art stuff and would love a playset of those Paths, but unlike all the cards I kept out of EvT it might be more like the cards I kept out of AvNB where I eat the cost and/or just order the singles.
The biggest problem I had with AvNB is that Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker sells best as a single. You take a big hit if you sell him as a playset. (Conflux art was better too). I see a lot of cards in this set like Journeyer's Kite that are the same way. Ebay right now has singles selling for $3.50-4 with Free Shipping. Best case scenario you're loosing $0.50 to eBay and $0.50 to the post office assuming your listing was free, you kept it under an ounce and you didn't use tracking.
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Maybe. Or maybe not. If you're lucky, you may be able to sell the singles for $20. If you end up selling all the good stuff and getting about $16, you just paid $4 for a bunch of crap.
And that's if you're a store with established selling power. If you're like me and you sell on eBay, after the listing fees, final value fees, shipping costs, handling costs and PayPal fees, you'd be lucky to buy one of these and still lose money. If you call that "making your money back" because you have a small inventory of worthless cards, that's your call.
There have been a lot of Magic products over the years that have been worth picking up because you can easily make your investment back in the secondary market if you needed to. I don't anticipate this set being one of those products. Of course, I could be wrong, but that's my estimate.
"Is the deck fun?" - mixed response against any other deck noo its horrible against each other its ok but not as exciting as it could of been (almost to balance one could say)
"Is it worth the money" - for resell value or keeping the product for a while like the older duel decks , highly unlikly apart from the 5 or so money cards reselling the product as a whole wouldn't work. Its doubtful people will want these decks. In terms of what your getting If u play with the decks $20 for 2 planeswalkers a few altenative cards is a good deal but.... And its a big but. The commander series gave reprints of wanted cards completely new cards and appealled to collectors and players.
"Is the product for me" - this really depends on the person for me I will get 4 because its the only opptunity I get to owning planeswalkers. I do collect duel decks. If your not a collector and more a standard tournment player then unless ur looking for a fourth ?venser or koth I suggest skipping it. If ur a noob and I mean someone who has never played before I rather suggest getting a event deck or to they are a lot more stable.
I hate the decks its horrible what wizards does with these deck designs I can do a better job and yes I will still buy the product but here is the thing as long and people keep going wow at this kind of crap that wizard calles products then don't expect anything better. Rather complain and critise and hope next time wizard comes up with something amazing.
As a business you would imagine wizard would want to sell as much copys of the duel decks as they can. Well if u only focus on one part of the player base you alienate the rest which will show in sales .
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I think it's a little funny that you guys will spend $25 on a pile of a deck + 2 Inkmoth Nexus ($24), but not $20 on a pile of a deck + Path/Vens/Koth ($20).
And then say that Event Deck was a huge success. Oh, I love it.
I think it's a little funny that you guys will spend $25 on a pile of a deck + 2 Inkmoth Nexus ($24), but not $20 on a pile of a deck + Path/Vens/Koth ($20).
And then say that Event Deck was a huge success. Oh, I love it.
Why is that funny? Again, Inkmoths were expected to drop at the announcement of the lists, so no one values them at $12 (closer to $7 now). That Event Deck for $20 is still more worth it than the KvV DD in terms of overall playability (more cohesive deck) and value (2x Inkmoth Nexus, 1x Hellrider, 1x Dismember, 2x Gut Shot, 4x Arc Trail + Standard-playable deck full of multiples is much better than the KvV DD unless all you want is two decks to play against each other casually, which is fine).
Past Event Decks have definitely been worth the value (NPH/M12 Event Decks). I think people are overall more satisfied with the Event Decks than Duel Decks because they generally have a higher density of playable cards, whether it's reprinting Standard staples, or simply including multiples of each card. Similarly, past Duel Decks have been good -- this just isn't one of them. No one is stopping you from enjoying the Koth vs Venser deck and all of its glory...just don't get upset that most people agree that the value isn't here compared to previous installments in the DD series.
EDIT: To clarify, if you enjoy the Duel Decks to play, then who cares about the price? If you simply want to break them apart for trade value, I wouldn't bother unless KvV drops to ~$15 like some other Duel Decks.
He's also not associated with cougars or giant bugs. Didn't stop them from using those.
And, yeah, some more NPH/Scars cards would have been nice. Phyrexian Metamorph instead of Clone. A Seachrome Coast instead of a Plains.
Venser's deck for the most part is ok. I would have really liked to see mulldrifter and Mangara of Corondor in there.
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Your forgetting that foil planeswalkers from these duel decks are normally worth half the price of the orginial. Go compare ajani vengent prices . These will probably go for around $10 for each. Modern bordered cards are nice but barely any of these cards are playable so yeah reprinting never used cards is great woohooo go wizards. These duel decks together probably only cost around $15 not the so called $20
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Lol you do realise Seachrome coast is worth the $20 on its own and the metamorph isn't cheap either there was never any chance of either of them in the deck.
but they didn't need expensive cards to make it better.
The decks themselves are very very evenly matched though... but I maintain they could still of balanced them with better cards.
Koth needed something worth ramping to... I am sure there is a good 10 red card somewhere that would of made you want to use his -2 for something.
there is a Bunch of really great low cost things Venser could of done.
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Funny. Have you played with KvD that you are calling them disappointing? I dug them up a month before and the decks are definitely in the top half of the DD line when it comes to fun and playability.
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Rockslide Elemental is terrible unless you draw it pretty early. The firebreathers are better in a removal lite format like this. Slagstorm is much more likely in decks like the Planechase ones in June since spot removal doesn't fly as well in multiplayer. That's where all the mass destruction goes unless it just happens to be tied to a fat bomb like Bloodfire Colossus. Runeflare Trap and Sudden Impact probably won't do as much damage as the burn already in the deck and don't target creatures as well.
Mulldrifter, likely, was in the the deck along with Momentary Blink. A lot of the 2-1 things got cut due to Venser being too strong, though. Mangara of Corondor is legacy playable, but not worthy of replacing any of the rares in this deck. Just wait until Planechase in June. The multiplayer decks have more leeway as to what they can reprint since they aren't designed to be super balanced against each other. Sure, they have an event for it, but multiplayer is more about politics than raw card power. Hell, Sol Ring is allowed in Commander.
I'll be honest... I don't either. Previous duel decks seemed to be designed to have moderately playable decks with 2-5 strong cards, and the rest decent with a small amount of chaff, and to provide a fun play experience out of the box.
This duel deck seems to have embraced the "fun play experience out of the box" by providing the purchaser with two 60 card draft decks. Even from a casual point of view, the card selection is abysmal and does absolutely nothing to pique interest in the product. It relies entirely on the name value of two mediocre planeswalkers.
Although, I'm not too terribly surprised since this was most likely assembled around the same time they assembled from the vault: standard. Or at least, assembled before they saw the fallout of from the vault: standard.
I had four copies of each of those cards, except for 20 plains, and I had a deck that was fairly consistant and competitive.
With duel decks: koth vs venser, you can't really build a competitive deck from just those cards alone, which is discouraging to a lot of people I believe, even if the decks are supposed to be casual. Who says casual players don't like competitive cards?
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So we walk in, say a month from today, and ask them for a copy of the DD in singles instead of the product. Let's pretend they use the cheapest version of the card prior to release to equivalently price it. Now we all know there's an exception to this rule: the mythic foil is usually 70-80% what the original is. So let's say they price Venser and Koth as 75% normal worth. (Another exception to the rule is sometimes new versions go up or down. Ajani's Loxodon Warhammer is a little cheaper than the original, his Lightning Helix is a little more, while Bolas' Undermine stayed the same, for example. But let's ignore these balanced exceptions.)
They start to ring you up:
$29.85 Venser's Deck:
// Lands
$00.50 01 [CMD] Azorius Chancery
$01.00 01 [MIR] Flood Plain
$00.50 01 [FUT] New Benalia
$00.75 02 [ZEN] Sejiri Refuge
$00.15 01 [ZEN] Soaring Seacliff
$00.00 07 [ISD] Plains
$00.00 11 [ISD] Island
// Creatures
$00.25 01 [PLC] Whitemane Lion
$00.15 01 [M11] Augury Owl
$00.25 01 [MIR] Coral Fighters
$00.25 01 [BOK] Minamo Sightbender
$00.50 01 [SHM] Mistmeadow Witch
$00.15 02 [M11] Scroll Thief
$00.15 01 [SOM] Neurok Invisimancer
$00.25 02 [MRD] Slith Strider
$00.50 01 [TMP] Sky Spirit
$02.00 01 [ARB] Wall of Denial
$00.75 01 [LRW] Galepowder Mage
$00.15 01 [ZEN] Kor Cartographer
$00.50 01 [M10] Clone
$00.25 01 [FUT] Cryptic Annelid
$00.15 01 [PLC] Primal Plasma
$00.25 01 [PLS] Sawtooth Loon
$00.25 01 [EVE] Cache Raiders
$00.50 01 [DIS] Windreaver
$00.15 01 [TSP] Jedit's Dragoons
$00.75 01 [SOM] Sunblast Angel
$00.50 01 [M12] Sphinx of Uthuun
// Spells
$06.75 01 [SOM] Venser, the Sojourner
$05.00 01 [CMD] Path to Exile
$01.00 02 [M11] Preordain
$00.50 01 [UDS] Sigil of Sleep
$00.25 01 [SOM] Revoke Existence
$00.25 01 [INV] Angelic Shield
$01.00 01 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
$00.15 01 [M11] Safe Passage
$00.50 01 [SHM] Steel of the Godhead
$00.25 01 [CSP] Vanish into Memory
$00.25 02 [DIS] Overrule
$19.95 Koth's Deck:
// Lands
$00.00 25 [ISD] Mountain
// Creatures
$00.25 02 [ZEN] Plated Geopede
$00.15 01 [7ED] Pygmy Pyrosaur
$00.15 02 [M12] Fiery Hellhound
$00.15 01 [PD2] Vulshok Sorcerer
$01.50 01 [CMD] Anger
$00.15 01 [WWK] Cosi's Ravager
$00.15 01 [M11] Vulshok Berserker
$00.25 01 [APC] Bloodfire Kavu
$00.25 01 [M10] Stone Giant
$00.25 01 [ZEN] Geyser Glider
$00.50 01 [MMQ] Lithophage
$00.50 01 [PLC] Torchling
$00.15 01 [CMD] Chartooth Cougar
$00.25 01 [M11] Earth Servant
$00.25 01 [CSP] Greater Stone Spirit
$00.50 01 [10E] Bloodfire Colossus
$00.25 02 [WWK] Pilgrim's Eye
$00.50 01 [PLC] AEther Membrane
// Spells
$07.50 01 [SOM] Koth of the Hammer
$00.25 02 [5DN] Wayfarer's Bauble
$00.15 01 [CMD] Armillary Sphere
$03.00 01 [CHK] Journeyer's Kite
$00.15 01 [9ED] Vulshok Morningstar
$00.25 01 [WWK] Searing Blaze
$00.25 01 [MRD] Vulshok Battlegear
$00.15 01 [NMS] Downhill Charge
$00.15 02 [KVD] Seismic Strike
$00.15 01 [ZEN] Spire Barrage
$00.25 01 [DDG] Jaws of Stone
$00.50 01 [ODY] Volley of Boulders
$29.85 Venser's Deck +
$19.95 Koth's Deck =
$49.80
They're going to ask for $49.80 (before tax). And that was with cheaper PWers... Let's even imagine the worse case scenario in the history of releases: every single card in the deck becomes as low as 66% what the original was worth. They're still going to ask for $36, well over what the product is worth. 50%? You somehow got the best possible deals on them from TCGPlayer and got a god's hand of fate deal of $0 to ship it from 6 stores?... Still $24.90.
In conclusion, if you're complaining that you could buy this product individually cheaper than what Wizards is asking for it, you're most likely going to have to go to dozens of store websites, pay shipping, spend hours trying to find who has the cards, and then foot the $49.80 bill for the cards themselves. So if you're wanting to make sure this product is of value, or simply want to gut the product, you're looking at at least $29.75 in tradebait. If you're SCG, you're certainly going to gut probably 100 of these for pure profit.
As for me, I'm sticking with $19.99.
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Not much profit. They'll certainly be able to sell the Venser, the Koth, and the Path of Exile for about $20 total. Most of the other cards will probably sit on shelves, though. Flood Plain might be listed at $1, but that doesn't mean people are interested in buying it.
That's exactly right. Of all the cards that will actually sell, you'd be very lucky to get your money back on this product. All those cards listed above for $0.15-0.25 are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Which is $0.00 in most cases.
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So you get at least more than what you payed for? That's a bad deal?
And I don't know about that Flood Plain... they seem to be running out of them.
You already made your money back, next question.
"They" being a large dealer like SCG, not the average person on the street. The prices you quoted in your previous post are laughable and not what the average person can expect to buy or sell those cards for.
PtE will go for ~$2 (unless demand for the new art keeps the price high), the PWs ~$5-6, and no one will pay for much of anything else outside of the occasional Sky Spirit/Wall of Denial/Flood Plain (EDIT: Add O-Ring/Preordain). You'll break even at best (if you pay $20 each for these shipping and/or taxes inclusive; you'll also likely need to buy in multiples of 4 to move playsets), but the effort to do so won't be worth it.
It is when what you paid for isn't any good to begin with.
What does Homelands usually go for? I see sealed booster boxes on eBay going for 89, and 99 bucks. Star City Games is asking 99.00 per sealed Homelands Booster box.
Wait. Wait! There's ONE Homelands sealed booster box on eBay going for 69.99! ZOMG! If you buy that box, you've just gotten a sweetheart deal. Star City wants 99 but you paid 69. How can you possibly complain after opening those boosters?
Just because these cards individually sell for more than the overall price of the box, doesn't mean it is a good deal.
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That's because the Flood Plain that they have are 16 years old and most of them are beat to hell, lost of damaged because people like me played w/out sleeves back then. (The first Ultrapro Blackshields came out in '96 and sleeves weren't widely adopted for limited until 2000-2001.)
Personally I'll sell anything I can break even on. This kind of product isn't a lot of work to crack. I like Alt/Art stuff and would love a playset of those Paths, but unlike all the cards I kept out of EvT it might be more like the cards I kept out of AvNB where I eat the cost and/or just order the singles.
The biggest problem I had with AvNB is that Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker sells best as a single. You take a big hit if you sell him as a playset. (Conflux art was better too). I see a lot of cards in this set like Journeyer's Kite that are the same way. Ebay right now has singles selling for $3.50-4 with Free Shipping. Best case scenario you're loosing $0.50 to eBay and $0.50 to the post office assuming your listing was free, you kept it under an ounce and you didn't use tracking.
Maybe. Or maybe not. If you're lucky, you may be able to sell the singles for $20. If you end up selling all the good stuff and getting about $16, you just paid $4 for a bunch of crap.
And that's if you're a store with established selling power. If you're like me and you sell on eBay, after the listing fees, final value fees, shipping costs, handling costs and PayPal fees, you'd be lucky to buy one of these and still lose money. If you call that "making your money back" because you have a small inventory of worthless cards, that's your call.
There have been a lot of Magic products over the years that have been worth picking up because you can easily make your investment back in the secondary market if you needed to. I don't anticipate this set being one of those products. Of course, I could be wrong, but that's my estimate.
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"Is the deck fun?" - mixed response against any other deck noo its horrible against each other its ok but not as exciting as it could of been (almost to balance one could say)
"Is it worth the money" - for resell value or keeping the product for a while like the older duel decks , highly unlikly apart from the 5 or so money cards reselling the product as a whole wouldn't work. Its doubtful people will want these decks. In terms of what your getting If u play with the decks $20 for 2 planeswalkers a few altenative cards is a good deal but.... And its a big but. The commander series gave reprints of wanted cards completely new cards and appealled to collectors and players.
"Is the product for me" - this really depends on the person for me I will get 4 because its the only opptunity I get to owning planeswalkers. I do collect duel decks. If your not a collector and more a standard tournment player then unless ur looking for a fourth ?venser or koth I suggest skipping it. If ur a noob and I mean someone who has never played before I rather suggest getting a event deck or to they are a lot more stable.
I hate the decks its horrible what wizards does with these deck designs I can do a better job and yes I will still buy the product but here is the thing as long and people keep going wow at this kind of crap that wizard calles products then don't expect anything better. Rather complain and critise and hope next time wizard comes up with something amazing.
As a business you would imagine wizard would want to sell as much copys of the duel decks as they can. Well if u only focus on one part of the player base you alienate the rest which will show in sales .
The product is bad anyone can see that
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
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And then say that Event Deck was a huge success. Oh, I love it.
Why is that funny? Again, Inkmoths were expected to drop at the announcement of the lists, so no one values them at $12 (closer to $7 now). That Event Deck for $20 is still more worth it than the KvV DD in terms of overall playability (more cohesive deck) and value (2x Inkmoth Nexus, 1x Hellrider, 1x Dismember, 2x Gut Shot, 4x Arc Trail + Standard-playable deck full of multiples is much better than the KvV DD unless all you want is two decks to play against each other casually, which is fine).
Past Event Decks have definitely been worth the value (NPH/M12 Event Decks). I think people are overall more satisfied with the Event Decks than Duel Decks because they generally have a higher density of playable cards, whether it's reprinting Standard staples, or simply including multiples of each card. Similarly, past Duel Decks have been good -- this just isn't one of them. No one is stopping you from enjoying the Koth vs Venser deck and all of its glory...just don't get upset that most people agree that the value isn't here compared to previous installments in the DD series.
EDIT: To clarify, if you enjoy the Duel Decks to play, then who cares about the price? If you simply want to break them apart for trade value, I wouldn't bother unless KvV drops to ~$15 like some other Duel Decks.