I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
Sure, maybe you can't sell the cards to get your money back.
You can easily move them in trade for more though.
I suppose. It still seems like it's more effort than it's worth for small returns :shrug:.
I only jumped in this discussion when I saw users not understanding the disappointment in these relative to other DD/Event Decks, and posting these decks having upwards of ~$40-50 cash value or a minimum of $30 trade value for singles. I've said my piece and I guess we'll just agree to disagree about the value of these.
Trying to break these apart for instant profit is not possible, of course. This isn't merry christmas raindrops rainbow fantasy land after all (despite them being Magic cards). Not to mention not aaaall of us are game store owners.
I just thought it was ridiculous that somebody thought you could buy the deck for less than what Wizards would sell it to you for. And then there's those who say once you're over the novelty (whatever that means), there's nothing you can do with it. Lots of firebreathing this time around.
That deck is still playable at your local FNM without the Inkmoths. These Duel Decks aren't playable even with the PWs, not even buying 4 of and taking the best cards.
Wow. These decks are not standard legal. They are not designed or developed for standard players to play at their local FNMs.
They are playable magic decks. Many people like playing decks that are designed to compete against each other. See also: Duels of the Planeswalkers program. It's a relief knowing that your opponent can't netdeck up a better deck than you and smash you over and over.
They are not designed for speculators to open and profit off of singles. They are "worth" it because 2 foil planeswalkers will probably hold their value at $5-10 in the years to come. They aren't designed so that you open them, immediately and easily sell some of the contents, and then buy another one to open and sell. That is not their purpose.
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If you like planeswalkers and are interested in some alternate art you can't get anywhere else, this product is for you. [Collectors]
Wow. These decks are not standard legal. They are not designed or developed for standard players to play at their local FNMs.
Sure, but Alexalder's point is that at least Event Decks are Standard legal, so they serve a purpose beyond merely being casual fare. Besides, an Event Deck is good for casual players too -- it's a solid, pre-built deck that you can play against your friends, modify as you see fit, or even take to your first FNM.
What do Duel Decks have that Event Decks don't? Well, you get two decks, so you can play them against each other. That's kind of cool, but even in the casual circles, players seem to prefer to build their own decks, or at least own their own pre-cons. So I question how often players are actually playing the two decks as though they're a standalone game.
As you say, they're also for collectors. If you're just looking for the shiny new planeswalkers, this is fine, but we already knew they'd be in there.
They are not designed for speculators to open and profit off of singles. They are "worth" it because 2 foil planeswalkers will probably hold their value at $5-10 in the years to come. They aren't designed so that you open them, immediately and easily sell some of the contents, and then buy another one to open and sell. That is not their purpose.
Actually, the only card that is likely to hold value is Path to Exile, which is a Modern staple. Koth gets most of his value from Standard RDW decks that run him, but he's never used in Modern or Legacy RDW. After rotation, you're only going to see him in rogue Big Red decks, unless he sees a reprint in M13 (which would also lower his value, due to increased circulation). Venser (planeswalker) is nearly non-existent in Modern, and likely never to return to Standard.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I believe the emblems were posted a few pages back when the alt arts were leaked, if I recall it just has the planeswalker's face on it which is pretty boring.
Yeah, Flood Plain is just an inferior version of the Onslaught fetchland. If you draw it midgame the tempo you lose is ridiculous.
Make no mistake- my comment was not on the quality of Flood Plain,
but rather the lack of quality overall that something like that could actually vie for most "gotta have it" card in the package
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I got 4 duel decks today just for the koth's. when I am looking through the cards I found that my koths have damage on the back from manufacturing/packaging. These were the only cards with damage. I contacted WotC about this issue to let them know.
Got my 4 duel decks today. Have to say though opening koths deck felt very uncomfortable seeing the cards for real. Vensers felt better but felt like it was missing something
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Got my 4 duel decks today. Have to say though opening koths deck felt very uncomfortable seeing the cards for real. Vensers felt better but felt like it was missing something
I ended up arriving to FNM too early yesterday, so after rocking some EDH I grabbed VvK and we got to playing.
Venser pretty much wins if you get Wall of Denial + Clone of Wall of Denial. Koth pretty much needs to use one of his wincon pump spells just to deal with one of them.
Venser blinking Sphinx is just ridiculous. "FoF, then FoF, maybe a FoF next turn".
Koth can pull off some ridiculous attacks though. Also, even though that Anger is fantastic-looking, it doesn't add much to the deck at all. I'm sure a better rare could be in that slot that would even up the decks a little.
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Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
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Well, I can totally say Venser vs Koth played very nicely. Of course, as for the 'value,' they took a big risk, doing two planeswalkers that would be in standard for serveral months after the decks released. The famed Elspeth vs Tezzeret released just weeks before its stars rotated. From the timing of the announcement, this duel deck was finished by the time Ajani vs Bolas came out, so both walkers were worth pretty good money at the time. It's not like Wizards can know for sure what standard will look like, likely 9 months into the future.
I got 4 duel decks today just for the koth's. when I am looking through the cards I found that my koths have damage on the back from manufacturing/packaging. These were the only cards with damage. I contacted WotC about this issue to let them know.
Wow, that really sucks. Please update with WotC's response in case other people have the same problem and need to know if WotC makes good on it. I hope they do.
What cards besides the planeswalkers got new artwork? I heard a rumor that Path to Exile was one of them. Can someone post scans of the cards with new artwork?
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What cards besides the planeswalkers got new artwork? I heard a rumor that Path to Exile was one of them. Can someone post scans of the cards with new artwork?
I believe it was posted some pages back, but I can't seem to find it atm.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Thanks, I found it. Here it is again, for anyone who wants to see the alternate artworks http://www.gatheringmagic.com/adamstyborski-03202012-venser-vs-koth-decklists-revealed/ The only one I care about is Path, which looks pretty sweet, but I was hoping for a more medieval type scene like the FNM version. Still going to buy a playset of VVK Paths online, though.
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You can easily move them in trade for more though.
I suppose. It still seems like it's more effort than it's worth for small returns :shrug:.
I only jumped in this discussion when I saw users not understanding the disappointment in these relative to other DD/Event Decks, and posting these decks having upwards of ~$40-50 cash value or a minimum of $30 trade value for singles. I've said my piece and I guess we'll just agree to disagree about the value of these.
I just thought it was ridiculous that somebody thought you could buy the deck for less than what Wizards would sell it to you for. And then there's those who say once you're over the novelty (whatever that means), there's nothing you can do with it. Lots of firebreathing this time around.
Wow. These decks are not standard legal. They are not designed or developed for standard players to play at their local FNMs.
They are playable magic decks. Many people like playing decks that are designed to compete against each other. See also: Duels of the Planeswalkers program. It's a relief knowing that your opponent can't netdeck up a better deck than you and smash you over and over.
They are not designed for speculators to open and profit off of singles. They are "worth" it because 2 foil planeswalkers will probably hold their value at $5-10 in the years to come. They aren't designed so that you open them, immediately and easily sell some of the contents, and then buy another one to open and sell. That is not their purpose.
If you like magic but aren't interested in deckbuilding, this product is for you. [Casual]
If you like planeswalkers and are interested in some alternate art you can't get anywhere else, this product is for you. [Collectors]
Sure, but Alexalder's point is that at least Event Decks are Standard legal, so they serve a purpose beyond merely being casual fare. Besides, an Event Deck is good for casual players too -- it's a solid, pre-built deck that you can play against your friends, modify as you see fit, or even take to your first FNM.
What do Duel Decks have that Event Decks don't? Well, you get two decks, so you can play them against each other. That's kind of cool, but even in the casual circles, players seem to prefer to build their own decks, or at least own their own pre-cons. So I question how often players are actually playing the two decks as though they're a standalone game.
As you say, they're also for collectors. If you're just looking for the shiny new planeswalkers, this is fine, but we already knew they'd be in there.
Actually, the only card that is likely to hold value is Path to Exile, which is a Modern staple. Koth gets most of his value from Standard RDW decks that run him, but he's never used in Modern or Legacy RDW. After rotation, you're only going to see him in rogue Big Red decks, unless he sees a reprint in M13 (which would also lower his value, due to increased circulation). Venser (planeswalker) is nearly non-existent in Modern, and likely never to return to Standard.
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Also alternate art Anger is super flippin sweet.
Decks:
WUG Jenara, Asura of War
WR Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas
WU Lavinia of the Tenth
UR Mizzix of the Izmagnus
It really seems sad that the only reason I want this deck is for that anger..... So much better than the original.
Is that sadder than the fact I'm most excited about freaking Flood Plain?!
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Make no mistake- my comment was not on the quality of Flood Plain,
but rather the lack of quality overall that something like that could actually vie for most "gotta have it" card in the package
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
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Venser pretty much wins if you get Wall of Denial + Clone of Wall of Denial. Koth pretty much needs to use one of his wincon pump spells just to deal with one of them.
Venser blinking Sphinx is just ridiculous. "FoF, then FoF, maybe a FoF next turn".
Koth can pull off some ridiculous attacks though. Also, even though that Anger is fantastic-looking, it doesn't add much to the deck at all. I'm sure a better rare could be in that slot that would even up the decks a little.
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They did, however, have PDS: Fire & Lightning new for $20,
and the New Phyrexia Event Deck with the two Stoneforge Mystics for $15.
I'm gonna go ahead and say this was *far* preferable to what I went there for!
(and I don't like White much, or Red at all!)
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Wow, that really sucks. Please update with WotC's response in case other people have the same problem and need to know if WotC makes good on it. I hope they do.
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The Best Deck Boxes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEwgLph_Pjk
The Best Binders: http://youtu.be/H5IauASYWjk
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I believe it was posted some pages back, but I can't seem to find it atm.
Gerry T + Micheal Jacob playing the decks
Koth wins 2-1
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