Did those Duel Decks really not sell well? I would have thought the inclusion of an alt. art Demonic Tutor would make it an instant seller. I know I want one of those...I never saw the decks anywhere.
Somewhere in one of these link it says a little bit about the contents. They say it's optimized for 54 players. Also, in a 54 player prerelease, each player gets 1 of thing A, 2 of thing B and 1 of thing C.
Obviously they aren't going to throw duel decks around like candy, but it WOULD be awesome and flavorful if the Helvaults were full of iconic angels and demons from Magic's history (Akroma, Angel of Despair, Baneslayer, Lord of the Pit, Demon of Death's Gate, etc)
Is it just me, or wouldn't it be a much more awesome and memorable event if inside the helvault there were actual demons. You go through the day and the top players are all waiting to see what they get... And a giant fragging demon jumps out and eats them!
My LGS said the Helvaults would contain "108 pieces of swag" And while I cringed at the word swag, apparently the items inside are going to be the best promotion ever. Not really sure how you can top the zendikar treasure promotion but I guess we'll see. At the very least I want them to be useable, I'd be so pissed if I opened it up and it was a damn sorin key chain, or a liliana wallet.
My LGS said the Helvaults would contain "108 pieces of swag" And while I cringed at the word swag, apparently the items inside are going to be the best promotion ever. Not really sure how you can top the zendikar treasure promotion but I guess we'll see. At the very least I want them to be useable, I'd be so pissed if I opened it up and it was a damn sorin key chain, or a liliana wallet.
By my count should be 216 pieces if that link posted earlier is accurate
I can say there are three types of items and with 54 players you'll be able to give each of them 1 of item A, 2 of item B, and 1 of item C.
My LGS said the Helvaults would contain "108 pieces of swag" And while I cringed at the word swag, apparently the items inside are going to be the best promotion ever. Not really sure how you can top the zendikar treasure promotion but I guess we'll see. At the very least I want them to be useable, I'd be so pissed if I opened it up and it was a damn sorin key chain, or a liliana wallet.
Well, they have 216 items, and no one knows what is inside, so your LGS was probably lying...
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
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lol I can just imagine the look on my pregnant wife's face as I walk in with a several foot tall rock statue. I'm sure a "WTF is that? and I hope you find the couch comfy...." would result.
So... why is everybody assuming it's 50 pounds? It sounds like one TO had some unfounded speculation that it was 50 pounds, a player overheard the speculation, and now everybody assuming it's true.
Indeed. I actually said "I can't confirm or deny this, this is what the TO said". The number of prizes seems accurate enough, however (54 in one tier, 108 in another, and 54 in the third). The Helvault tournaments the LGS is having are capped at 54 players, which matches the description in the solicitation sheet (1 prize from tier A, 2 from B, 1 from C, enough for 54 players).
Of course, if the Helvault weighs about 50 pounds, the Helvault itself is probably contributing to a good amount of that weight.
After reading the solicitation article posted earlier, it seems like WotC is trying to shift the emphasis of the Helvault from its contents to the actual process of opening it. From this, I'm going to guess that the contents will be fairly mediocre, but I'd be glad to be proven wrong.
Basically, if you want to open packs to get cards for Standard and Modern, the simpler approach is to just buy all the singles you need and then set some money on fire to make up the difference.
Getting early access to new sets was already enough incentive for me to attend prerelease events. This is just really delicious gravy.
For me, it will be fun even if the helvault prizes are Meh...bu I imagine at least one of the three prize categories will be a promote card; good enough for me!
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So here's a question: let's say the Pre-Release crowd fails the challenge--doesn't do what's needed to unlock the Helvault. They get nothing? It carries on to the next event/Prerelease? (FNM?) Or the TO has the authority to 'open it anyway'?
If that's the case, don't sweat the challenges; the Helvault opens either way.
So here's a question: let's say the Pre-Release crowd fails the challenge--doesn't do what's needed to unlock the Helvault. They get nothing? It carries on to the next event/Prerelease? (FNM?) Or the TO has the authority to 'open it anyway'?
I happened to be watching Pi the other day (3/14 was pi day), and I just happened to come here and see something interesting.
216.
216 is the length of the number that the character in Pi is looking for. The 216 digit number is supposed to be "God's True Name" or something like that.
Anywho, heres one more tidbit.
216 is 6x6x6; 666 is the "number of the beast" according to the Book of Revelation.
Strange coincidence or is R&D really that insane?
My guess : A metric buttload of demons are in the hellvault and yes they are insane.
I am going to doubt Avacyn and Griselbrand being the promo. WotC has said they are getting away from giving mythic promos, and I can almost guarantee that both are going to be mythic (since they are the lynch pin of the set).
Lol man its obviously gonna be themed M&M. There is nothing that embodies good and evil more than candy coated chocolate. Also we can expect that it will contain 2 cards avacyn and griselbrand. dunno how they are gonna split those thought since people are very likely going to be willing to pay quite a lot for those two. This is bound to be the most competitive pre-release yet.
Lol man its obviously gonna be themed M&M. There is nothing that embodies good and evil more than candy coated chocolate. Also we can expect that it will contain 2 cards avacyn and griselbrand. dunno how they are gonna split those thought since people are very likely going to be willing to pay quite a lot for those two. This is bound to be the most competitive pre-release yet.
Well, Avacyn and Griselbrand might be the pre-release cards. So instead of one pre-release card, there's two, but you only get one of the two at the pre-release event. The Helvault might contain enough Avacyns and Griselbrands for everyone at the event to walk away with one of the two.
Ah yes but the helvault is going to be in addition to the promo's, so they could be sidestepping that issue by making mythic promo's special prizes in limited events.
This... They are bound to be promos in this, or at the very least special tokens/emblems/something related to those characters.
I find the idea that the Helavault being 50 lbs is absolutely rediculous. Finding the amount of physical product to fill something like tha would be costly and likely make the Vault itself too large or heavy for some shops to even keep in a small shop. And each shop would potentially get two of these? No way.
This... They are bound to be promos in this, or at the very least special tokens/emblems/something related to those characters.
I find the idea that the Helavault being 50 lbs is absolutely rediculous. Finding the amount of physical product to fill something like tha would be costly and likely make the Vault itself too large or heavy for some shops to even keep in a small shop. And each shop would potentially get two of these? No way.
Yeah, this basically.
There is no way that the Helvault opening won't involve Avacyn and Griselbrand in some way, considering how flavorful that would be and well, you know..they're sort of aiming for flavor here.
I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
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Thing A: Avacynian collar keyring/other plasticky trinket.
Thing B: Avacyn/Griselbrand promo cards.
Thing C: Tattoos.
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Unfortunately, there's no size indications of what these things will actually be.
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You don't realize how hard you made me LOL! Bro if that were to happen at my LGS... it would go something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WemIJTv5G2A
HALLEJUAAHHHHHH!!!! *girlish scream and hugs everyone at the place*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
By my count should be 216 pieces if that link posted earlier is accurate
I can say there are three types of items and with 54 players you'll be able to give each of them 1 of item A, 2 of item B, and 1 of item C.
54 X 4 items = 216
Well, they have 216 items, and no one knows what is inside, so your LGS was probably lying...
lol I can just imagine the look on my pregnant wife's face as I walk in with a several foot tall rock statue. I'm sure a "WTF is that? and I hope you find the couch comfy...." would result.
Indeed. I actually said "I can't confirm or deny this, this is what the TO said". The number of prizes seems accurate enough, however (54 in one tier, 108 in another, and 54 in the third). The Helvault tournaments the LGS is having are capped at 54 players, which matches the description in the solicitation sheet (1 prize from tier A, 2 from B, 1 from C, enough for 54 players).
Of course, if the Helvault weighs about 50 pounds, the Helvault itself is probably contributing to a good amount of that weight.
For me, it will be fun even if the helvault prizes are Meh...bu I imagine at least one of the three prize categories will be a promote card; good enough for me!
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If that's the case, don't sweat the challenges; the Helvault opens either way.
Maybe I'll bring a hammer just in case o3o
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I happened to be watching Pi the other day (3/14 was pi day), and I just happened to come here and see something interesting.
216.
216 is the length of the number that the character in Pi is looking for. The 216 digit number is supposed to be "God's True Name" or something like that.
Anywho, heres one more tidbit.
216 is 6x6x6; 666 is the "number of the beast" according to the Book of Revelation.
Strange coincidence or is R&D really that insane?
My guess : A metric buttload of demons are in the hellvault and yes they are insane.
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Well, Avacyn and Griselbrand might be the pre-release cards. So instead of one pre-release card, there's two, but you only get one of the two at the pre-release event. The Helvault might contain enough Avacyns and Griselbrands for everyone at the event to walk away with one of the two.
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This... They are bound to be promos in this, or at the very least special tokens/emblems/something related to those characters.
I find the idea that the Helavault being 50 lbs is absolutely rediculous. Finding the amount of physical product to fill something like tha would be costly and likely make the Vault itself too large or heavy for some shops to even keep in a small shop. And each shop would potentially get two of these? No way.
Yeah, this basically.
There is no way that the Helvault opening won't involve Avacyn and Griselbrand in some way, considering how flavorful that would be and well, you know..they're sort of aiming for flavor here.