Yeah even if it's something completely lame like "Team Avacyn" t-shirts...
It's just a matter of time till someone cracks one of these open and spoils the surprises... but I think I will try to avoid spoiling it for myself if I can help it!
Item A - Promo Spindown dice
Item B - 50ct Sleeves (Hence why you get 2)
Item C - Deck boxes
I highly doubt there are cards in the Helvault. As someone who doesn't get excited about freebies unless they are foil cards, I have a feeling I'm going to be very disappointed.
Throw some Foil Full Art Promo Ravnica Shock Lands in this thing and now we're talking! (keeps dreaming)
Also, as someone who goes to an LGS where we get 75-100 people for a pre-re, that sucks that what you get is based on attendance.
Yeah even if it's something completely lame like "Team Avacyn" t-shirts...
It's just a matter of time till someone cracks one of these open and spoils the surprises... but I think I will try to avoid spoiling it for myself if I can help it!
Merchandise makes sense, since WOTC keeps plugging that crap. But I doubt it would be in the vault since there'd be awkwardness with sizes of the items. Plus, they've been cutting back on expenses left, right and center. To suddenly give away a bunch of swag is odd.
50lb could be accomplished through cards, a box of cards is fairly heavy fast. But, if it were filled with cards, the thievery potential would be far too high. It could also be over-sized cards. There's novelty, and not much secondary market demand(?).
The M&M's idea sounds more reasonable, or posters, deck boxes, etc. It could be some joint thing with UltraPro to move more product.
Interesting- it's rather hard to judge the scale from that pic (though that worn edge on the front is a slight clue),
but it looks fairly beefy.
Maybe it *is* 50lbs?
Then again, that might require stuffing the thing full, which seems unlikely.
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It could definitely fit a pile of cards. But unless it's all the same card, or maybe just 2, then it may be hard for the 54 players to walk away happy.
The thing itself looks pretty cool. I kinda want the box. >_>"
I hope it's not dice or coins. It should be something I want to unlock/obtain.
It could be angel/demon plastic figurines or something gimmicky like that.
it could be full of proxies or something for the promo cards and then they give out the promos separate to who ever has the certain proxies
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Oh man, me too! Even if the second print-run's alternate art Akroma, Angel of Wrath and Lord of the Pit weren't foil, it would still be awesome!
Too bad that won't happen...
The Helvault will probably have some of the Ultrapro products, boosters, and theme decks. Maybe even promo, alternate arts. But I highly doubt these things will be fifty pounds, they would cost a butt load to ship if they were.
If they us the United States Post Office it won't cost them that much!
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Given that proxies could only be issues by judges, for a specific tournament, and only to replace a damaged card, and that WotC recently reminded everybody about that fact, it's VERY unlikely.
He means that the Helvault would contain a small token that could be exchanged for the actual card by the TO
Now that we know the prerelease promo is neither avacyn nor grisleychops it does seem increasingly like they will be the vault prizes. I'm calling it here. Everyone gets one of each, and two equipment based on shards of the shattered vault.
Ok, we either have to assume that the "50 lbs." thing is far, far from the truth or that there's no way that it's full of cards.
216 cards doesn't weigh 5 lbs., much less 50. Unless item B is a whole bunch of cards (unlikely), there's no way that just having cards in the thing could be that heavy. My 1-year-old son is 26-27 inches tall and he only weighs about 28 lbs. This thing is not as big as my son based on what my local gaming store employees are saying.
My guess is that, obviously, one or two of the 3 gifts is cards. The third gift is probably some sort of pewter replica of the helvault. A spindown life counter, maybe? Those could certainly increase the weight.
But, can we just assume that it doesn't actually weigh 50 lbs.? That's just extremely costly to ship and very unlikely for only 216 items. Especially if this thing is as big as it seems (maybe two feet high, based on my game shop).
EDIT: Also, why would Avacyn and Griselbrand be inside the vault? I don't know much about the story, but aren't they both outside the vault when it opens? My guess is whatever is inside is what is actually inside the vault in the story!
EDIT: Also, why would Avacyn and Griselbrand be inside the vault? I don't know much about the story, but aren't they both outside the vault when it opens? My guess is whatever is inside is what is actually inside the vault in the story!
The story is that Griselbrand challenged Avacyn next to the Helvault. When she went to exile him inside, he copied the spell, and exiled her too (presumeably knowing that his brethren would overrun the plane). Both were sucked into it.
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She wants a ride on the pony, dude.
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EDIT: Also, why would Avacyn and Griselbrand be inside the vault? I don't know much about the story, but aren't they both outside the vault when it opens? My guess is whatever is inside is what is actually inside the vault in the story!
No, Griselbrand was trapped in the vault by Avacyn. However, Griselbrand caught Avacyn at the last second and pulled her into the vault with her.
As for the package itself, it'll hopefully contain something that's exclusive to it alone (a special promo card or something?).
Also, where was it confirmed that neither Avacyn nor Griselbrand would be the prerelease promo?
EDIT: Nath'd, thanks tk
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Pewter replicas would be cool, but I doubt it; seems like too much work, and has no game impact.
Where'd we get the 50lbs from? Whoever weighed it either has a bad sense of weight, or it was with other stuff.
Keep in mind that if this is a promo Avacyn/Grislebrand card, it could be double sided, foiled, with alternate art. This way it's one physical card, and everyone gets both characters. I've been hearing good things about double sided foils (they don't warp or fade).
It could also be coupons for 'free' stuff. This feels like something WOTC could do.
Where'd we get the 50lbs from? Whoever weighed it either has a bad sense of weight, or it was with other stuff.
Post 9. Random person claimed their random TO said it, even though at that point no other information than "open the Helvault" had been released. Everyone just ran with it like it was a statement direct from WotC. It's a case of repeat a lie enough times and people believe it's fact.
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That thought occured to me also. Like, full art demonic tutors or the like?
Look, you're probably being sarcastic, but Koth vs Venser and Graveborn just taught us that they're going to dole out highly sought cards in a very particular fashion (Graveborn being what they won't do). They're not going to fill this thing with hundreds of cards that are worth $100 each. It would wreak havoc on the secondary market and on the appeal of future Magic products.
Posts about format staples being in the box are just wishful thinking. Lately, WOTC has been lowering the bar about what we should expect of their products. We've had it good for a long time, they can't keep one-upping themselves forever.
Whatever is in this thing will be a shallow gimmick, or something with narrow application/appeal.
maybe we can found inside some modern/legacy staples? (like treasure on the zendikar box...)
I don't think they'd reasonably expect the stores to destroy the contents of "unopened Helvaults" if they actually contained anything of real material value.
It's probably something really derpy like a certificate to each participant that congratulates them on opening the 'vault. Each certificate may have some promo code to access some "exclusive" online content or gain entry to some contest or something derpy like that.
I don't think they'd reasonably expect the stores to destroy the contents of "unopened Helvaults" if they actually contained anything of real material value.
It's probably something really derpy like a certificate to each participant that congratulates them on opening the 'vault. Each certificate may have some promo code to access some "exclusive" online content or gain entry to some contest or something derpy like that.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
It's just a matter of time till someone cracks one of these open and spoils the surprises... but I think I will try to avoid spoiling it for myself if I can help it!
Item A - Promo Spindown dice
Item B - 50ct Sleeves (Hence why you get 2)
Item C - Deck boxes
I highly doubt there are cards in the Helvault. As someone who doesn't get excited about freebies unless they are foil cards, I have a feeling I'm going to be very disappointed.
Throw some Foil Full Art Promo Ravnica Shock Lands in this thing and now we're talking! (keeps dreaming)
Also, as someone who goes to an LGS where we get 75-100 people for a pre-re, that sucks that what you get is based on attendance.
At least the 54 player/216 total prizes thing is known information - the prizes are for all players in the event, not just the top 8 or top 4.
Merchandise makes sense, since WOTC keeps plugging that crap. But I doubt it would be in the vault since there'd be awkwardness with sizes of the items. Plus, they've been cutting back on expenses left, right and center. To suddenly give away a bunch of swag is odd.
50lb could be accomplished through cards, a box of cards is fairly heavy fast. But, if it were filled with cards, the thievery potential would be far too high. It could also be over-sized cards. There's novelty, and not much secondary market demand(?).
The M&M's idea sounds more reasonable, or posters, deck boxes, etc. It could be some joint thing with UltraPro to move more product.
I hope not, we didn't received any of the M&M's in Canada
Interesting- it's rather hard to judge the scale from that pic (though that worn edge on the front is a slight clue),
but it looks fairly beefy.
Maybe it *is* 50lbs?
Then again, that might require stuffing the thing full, which seems unlikely.
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It could definitely fit a pile of cards. But unless it's all the same card, or maybe just 2, then it may be hard for the 54 players to walk away happy.
The thing itself looks pretty cool. I kinda want the box. >_>"
I hope it's not dice or coins. It should be something I want to unlock/obtain.
It could be angel/demon plastic figurines or something gimmicky like that.
It looks like it's about 5 inches across at the base and 20 inches high and made of cardboard.
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If they us the United States Post Office it won't cost them that much!
He was joking.
He means that the Helvault would contain a small token that could be exchanged for the actual card by the TO
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Ok, we either have to assume that the "50 lbs." thing is far, far from the truth or that there's no way that it's full of cards.
216 cards doesn't weigh 5 lbs., much less 50. Unless item B is a whole bunch of cards (unlikely), there's no way that just having cards in the thing could be that heavy. My 1-year-old son is 26-27 inches tall and he only weighs about 28 lbs. This thing is not as big as my son based on what my local gaming store employees are saying.
My guess is that, obviously, one or two of the 3 gifts is cards. The third gift is probably some sort of pewter replica of the helvault. A spindown life counter, maybe? Those could certainly increase the weight.
But, can we just assume that it doesn't actually weigh 50 lbs.? That's just extremely costly to ship and very unlikely for only 216 items. Especially if this thing is as big as it seems (maybe two feet high, based on my game shop).
EDIT: Also, why would Avacyn and Griselbrand be inside the vault? I don't know much about the story, but aren't they both outside the vault when it opens? My guess is whatever is inside is what is actually inside the vault in the story!
The story is that Griselbrand challenged Avacyn next to the Helvault. When she went to exile him inside, he copied the spell, and exiled her too (presumeably knowing that his brethren would overrun the plane). Both were sucked into it.
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No, Griselbrand was trapped in the vault by Avacyn. However, Griselbrand caught Avacyn at the last second and pulled her into the vault with her.
As for the package itself, it'll hopefully contain something that's exclusive to it alone (a special promo card or something?).
Also, where was it confirmed that neither Avacyn nor Griselbrand would be the prerelease promo?
EDIT: Nath'd, thanks tk
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Welcome, and it's confirmed that these are the promos. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=390719
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Where'd we get the 50lbs from? Whoever weighed it either has a bad sense of weight, or it was with other stuff.
Keep in mind that if this is a promo Avacyn/Grislebrand card, it could be double sided, foiled, with alternate art. This way it's one physical card, and everyone gets both characters. I've been hearing good things about double sided foils (they don't warp or fade).
It could also be coupons for 'free' stuff. This feels like something WOTC could do.
Post 9. Random person claimed their random TO said it, even though at that point no other information than "open the Helvault" had been released. Everyone just ran with it like it was a statement direct from WotC. It's a case of repeat a lie enough times and people believe it's fact.
Please don't say things like this, it just makes me (and probably others) sad that it'll never happen D:
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Look, you're probably being sarcastic, but Koth vs Venser and Graveborn just taught us that they're going to dole out highly sought cards in a very particular fashion (Graveborn being what they won't do). They're not going to fill this thing with hundreds of cards that are worth $100 each. It would wreak havoc on the secondary market and on the appeal of future Magic products.
Posts about format staples being in the box are just wishful thinking. Lately, WOTC has been lowering the bar about what we should expect of their products. We've had it good for a long time, they can't keep one-upping themselves forever.
Whatever is in this thing will be a shallow gimmick, or something with narrow application/appeal.
I don't think they'd reasonably expect the stores to destroy the contents of "unopened Helvaults" if they actually contained anything of real material value.
It's probably something really derpy like a certificate to each participant that congratulates them on opening the 'vault. Each certificate may have some promo code to access some "exclusive" online content or gain entry to some contest or something derpy like that.
Yep, I'm thinking something derpy like this too.