Quote from haseothepunisherThe only reason im upset is I had to pay an extra 5 bucks for the event and got a normal helvault. Because many distributors told lgs to increase their pr price for the helvault events.
Quote from ∞8∞It looks like a lot of people on MTGS and other forums are upset, but you must realize that the online communities (many of whom share users) are a very small portion of Magic players. For the people who participated at my LGS's prerelease, I'd estimate half of the players still don't know that there were premium Helvaults (and may never will), and of the half that did find out, the large majority couldn't care less.
Most everyone had a lot of fun where I go even though our LGS didn't get a premium Helvault. Saying that stuff like this hurts the community is very misleading because when you go offline and actually observe the results, the complete opposite seems true.
In my opinion, it was a nice and different promotion to drum up some extra excitement. It's certainly better than doing the same old stuff.
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Quote from Powdered Black bladeI take back everything I've said, however, if the expansion is named "Tamiyo's Big Pinch! Only a Pure Heart's Destiny Can Defeat True Evil!"
Quote from ashtonvanhelsingWe should question how they are claiming this as a random and fair event structure, when clearly as many have pointed out they only randomly selected from Advanced stores, and did not even give Core or Gateway stores a chance. To see what it takes to be in these categories, and the benefits the different levels receive, look here:
This really isn't a question of what they did, but more a question of how what they did will now affect the future. First, should they ever hint at doing something like a Helvault again, no matter what they say about distribution of promotional items, many people will not go to Core or Gateway stores for an event that features a promotion anything like this. They will instead go to Advanced stores for the big events, leaving stores that draw less players (clearly by their level rating) high and dry for big deal events. For whatever reason they have, it seems like they have a goal to centralize large promotional events. You would think that they would have learned from the utter failure of the WotC game centers (I was present for the grand opening of the first in Seattle) that this sort of centralization destroys Magic. The small environments provide a calm, less competitive place for new players to learn the ins and outs of the game without feeling like total failures in front of a huge crowd. Prerelease and release events draw the most new players because they offer promotional items and a relatively equal playing field card wise (compared to constructed). So, by the actions committed here, Wizards has made a huge push on players to go only to stores that already have large player bases to get better stuff at big events. What do you all think about this?
Quote from RogerBut the thing is, we *did* have large scale pre-releases, which were scrapped to give more stores a chance to run them. Then they go and do this?
If there had been normal helvaults, and then some premium ones, given out randomly (maybe 1/5 helvaults) that just had the foil large cards/tokens, it wouldn't have been such a big deal. But what, hundreds? Thousands? of dollars worth of judge promos sent to 30 select stores?
The whole thing just doesn't make any sense, I mean, whoever thought of it probably thought it through and thought we would be excited (and we were until we found out what was in it). As someone said on the MTG boards, imagine what could have happened if the spoiled one happened to be one of the premium ones and everyone went to a pre-release expecting judge foils.