Where did you get that from?
They are 2.5 feet tall (significantly under 1m), I'm fairly certain the body is cardboard, and 58 pounds seems.....hilarious.
I've heard they are 50 pounds too, so I believe him.
my big question is, who would want to do a NON-helvault prerelease? seems like this is going to really kill attendence at those ones. eh, whatever.
My big concern, on the other hand, is that we could end up in situations where you have the choice of winning the game or opening the helvault. What if one of the achievements is "someone never loses a game" and you're in the 4-0 match against a guy who hasn't lost any games while you have? do you have to throw the game for the greater good? or what if one is "kill a demon with an angel" and you've got a demon and they've got an angel...what if you've got to choose between suiciding the demon into the angel or winning the game? That would really annoy me, personally. Maybe everyone should just agree at the beginning of the prerelease that all the people who go 0-2 right off the bat should focus on getting the achievements so the people with a shot at the good prizes don't have to throw games. At least then you'd have fun things to do if you do badly, I suppose.
my big question is, who would want to do a NON-helvault prerelease? seems like this is going to really kill attendence at those ones. eh, whatever.
My big concern, on the other hand, is that we could end up in situations where you have the choice of winning the game or opening the helvault. What if one of the achievements is "someone never loses a game" and you're in the 4-0 match against a guy who hasn't lost any games while you have? do you have to throw the game for the greater good? or what if one is "kill a demon with an angel" and you've got a demon and they've got an angel...what if you've got to choose between suiciding the demon into the angel or winning the game? That would really annoy me, personally. Maybe everyone should just agree at the beginning of the prerelease that all the people who go 0-2 right off the bat should focus on getting the achievements so the people with a shot at the good prizes don't have to throw games. At least then you'd have fun things to do if you do badly, I suppose.
The helvault can be opened post-tournament no matter what, if I am not misremembering an announcement.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
I can't find, otherwise I would have posted, however I do believe I saw it mentioned somewhere, and anyway, if these have good things in them, nothing stops TOs from opening them anyway.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
my big question is, who would want to do a NON-helvault prerelease? seems like this is going to really kill attendence at those ones. eh, whatever.
I saw the note that "the TO can open the helvault at the end of the tourney" clause as well. Besides, there is nothing stopping from TO's doing that anyway.
As for who would attend a non-vault Pre-re... it's those who weren't fast enough to sign up for the ones with. At least those who didn't think ahead (or weren't able to sign up for logistical reasons) will still be able to play regardless.
It'll probably just be a little statue/trophy that looks silvery. I think it has to have something to do with silver--both of those new cards deal with it already.
It'll probably just be a little statue/trophy that looks silvery. I think it has to have something to do with silver--both of those new cards deal with it already.
I doubt it. I'm hoping that whatever is in there, is something usable.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Where did you get that from?
They are 2.5 feet tall (significantly under 1m), I'm fairly certain the body is cardboard, and 58 pounds seems.....hilarious.
Where does your certainty that it's cardboard come from? Are you a store owner that has gotten his own? If so what's in them?
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I hope its filled with Gold Rush packs. *lol* Reasonably, it will be filled with all manner of Avacyn Restored swag. My guesses are T-shirts, caps, buttons, exclusive sleeves and/or playmats, and whatever else Wizards can dream up.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
If you're referring to someone earlier in this thread, he was misquoted, and apologized for the confusion.
I seriously doubt WOTC would spend that kind of money making it that large, and out of metal.
That someone was me, I had edited that post to strike my comment entirely since the TO who told me about it was speculating based on what he'd been told.
In any case we may get some hints when the site updates; the feature article for tomorrow is called "The Helvault and Prereleases".
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My guesses are T-shirts, caps, buttons, exclusive sleeves and/or playmats, and whatever else Wizards can dream up.
Coupons perhaps, as the real things won't fit inside. Clothing would be highly disappointing.
It'd be nice if someone who really does know what's inside, would tell us if it exceeded their expectations or not. Since, by this point, we're probably expecting far far too much.
Where does your certainty that it's cardboard come from? Are you a store owner that has gotten his own? If so what's in them?
I'm not a TO, and I'm fairly sure they haven't been shipped yet (I assume they will come with all the other prerelease goodies, and arrive the week of the prerelease. I take my stab at it being cardboard from the look of the picture, and also, I will tell you for certain it is not aluminum.
Here is the pic
Let us analyze, shall we:
1. There are no hinges. Hinges would be required for something made of anything that wasn't paper/cardboard/something flimsy and pliable. Metal does not fit the bill.
2. The seals (for record, there are 20) would be really quite sad on something made of metal, and would probably be cut/break during transport from the movement of the vault doors.
3.
That white spot is something that happens when cardboard is bent, the white side comes out.
4. It would be prohibitively expensive to be any kind of metal, possibly not cardboard, but it won't be metal.
Also, beat the arcana, so if it talks about the helvault, this is still valid speculation!
As a sidenote, to a mod, someone should attach that image to the first post.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
Uh, has anyone thought that maybe the picture that wizards put up was a cardboard representation of what the helvault looks like and not an actual helvault itself? Just saying...
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I've heard they are 50 pounds too, so I believe him.
If you're referring to someone earlier in this thread, he was misquoted, and apologized for the confusion.
I seriously doubt WOTC would spend that kind of money making it that large, and out of metal.
My big concern, on the other hand, is that we could end up in situations where you have the choice of winning the game or opening the helvault. What if one of the achievements is "someone never loses a game" and you're in the 4-0 match against a guy who hasn't lost any games while you have? do you have to throw the game for the greater good? or what if one is "kill a demon with an angel" and you've got a demon and they've got an angel...what if you've got to choose between suiciding the demon into the angel or winning the game? That would really annoy me, personally. Maybe everyone should just agree at the beginning of the prerelease that all the people who go 0-2 right off the bat should focus on getting the achievements so the people with a shot at the good prizes don't have to throw games. At least then you'd have fun things to do if you do badly, I suppose.
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The helvault can be opened post-tournament no matter what, if I am not misremembering an announcement.
link? the one I read said cryptically
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EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I can't find, otherwise I would have posted, however I do believe I saw it mentioned somewhere, and anyway, if these have good things in them, nothing stops TOs from opening them anyway.
I saw the note that "the TO can open the helvault at the end of the tourney" clause as well. Besides, there is nothing stopping from TO's doing that anyway.
As for who would attend a non-vault Pre-re... it's those who weren't fast enough to sign up for the ones with. At least those who didn't think ahead (or weren't able to sign up for logistical reasons) will still be able to play regardless.
Yeah, because pre-release attendance is so abysmal most of the time...:D
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I doubt it. I'm hoping that whatever is in there, is something usable.
What's the difference between Premium Beta Boosters and regular Beta Boosters?
+Infinity
Seriously, this would be the greatest thing to ever happen...pay $30 dollars, get 2 beta boosters! When they go for hundreds on the secondary market.
I'm super curious, but I'll just have to wait. Hopefully it's something really great though.
As for the size of the helvault, I hope it's a big size; who likes the little things? People like big things. A lot.
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Where does your certainty that it's cardboard come from? Are you a store owner that has gotten his own? If so what's in them?
premium = foil
The point is that Beta was only printed in non-foil. So a premium beta would not be foiled. And look like a regular beta.
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Er...I'm getting mixed messages here. What is it? A real thing or just wishful posts?
It'd be cool if they had something like hidden treasures again, although I doubt it. And yeah, Beta Boosters may as well be gold.
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That someone was me, I had edited that post to strike my comment entirely since the TO who told me about it was speculating based on what he'd been told.
In any case we may get some hints when the site updates; the feature article for tomorrow is called "The Helvault and Prereleases".
Coupons perhaps, as the real things won't fit inside. Clothing would be highly disappointing.
It'd be nice if someone who really does know what's inside, would tell us if it exceeded their expectations or not. Since, by this point, we're probably expecting far far too much.
Here's hoping it exceeds our imaginations.
Cards would likely be a good bet though.
I'm not a TO, and I'm fairly sure they haven't been shipped yet (I assume they will come with all the other prerelease goodies, and arrive the week of the prerelease. I take my stab at it being cardboard from the look of the picture, and also, I will tell you for certain it is not aluminum.
Here is the pic
Let us analyze, shall we:
1. There are no hinges. Hinges would be required for something made of anything that wasn't paper/cardboard/something flimsy and pliable. Metal does not fit the bill.
2. The seals (for record, there are 20) would be really quite sad on something made of metal, and would probably be cut/break during transport from the movement of the vault doors.
3.
That white spot is something that happens when cardboard is bent, the white side comes out.
Also, beat the arcana, so if it talks about the helvault, this is still valid speculation!
As a sidenote, to a mod, someone should attach that image to the first post.